The Liberals Have Taken Over California

An act of madness. Yet seemingly inevitable. Lost somewhere amid the circus of this month’s U.S. Presidential election was a potentially far more significant and historic poll result: that of the Californian state legislature.

With a known population of 37.6 million, and an economy with a gross state product of just under two trillion dollars, California, were it an independent nation, would have the eighth-largest GDP in the world, though only 34th in terms of population and 60th in land area. Commanding 55 of the 538 electoral college votes, and 12% of the population of the United States, California is also home to one-third of the country’s welfare recipients. According to Wiki, California has the highest per-capita spending on welfare of any state. And the proportion is growing each year. Not only that, but budget blowouts have now reached the point where, according to the Wall Street Journal,

Lawmakers have been borrowing and deferring debts for the past decade merely to close their annual deficits, and those bills will soon come due. The legislature has raided $4.3 billion from special funds and deferred $10 billion in constitutionally required payments to schools.

The state has also borrowed $10 billion from Uncle Sam to pay for jobless benefits and $313 million this year from the state disability insurance trust fund for debt service on those federal loans. Democrats have proposed replenishing the state’s barren unemployment insurance trust fund by raising payroll taxes on employers. Expect that to happen now.

Then there’s the more than $200 billion in unfunded liabilities the state has accrued for worker retirement benefits, which this year cost taxpayers $6.5 billion. The California State Teachers’ Retirement System says it needs an additional $3.5 billion and $10 billion annually for the next 30 years to amortize its debt.

The state has $73 billion in outstanding bonds for capital projects and $33 billion in voter-authorized bonds that the state hasn’t sold in part because it can’t afford higher debt payments. Unissued bonds include $9.5 billion for a bullet train, which will require $50 billion to $90 billion more to complete. Sacramento will also need more money to support an $11 billion bond to retrofit the state’s water system, which is planned for the 2014 ballot.

The official debt figures don’t even include that last item, the white elephant that is the Californian High-Speed Rail Project, originally costed at $35 billion, but has blown out over the past four years to nearly three times that amount, will never be used by more than a tiny fraction of the population, and probably won’t even start actually running trains for at least another ten years. California has, in fact, been racking up debt as fast as it has been legally able, and deferring repayments, kicking the problem into the future, for as long as possible. But the bills are about to come due, and there is no money to pay them. And unlike the Fed, California can’t print its own money.

In other words, the Golden State is broke.

But this is where the madness starts. Until now, at least a particle of fiscal restraint has been possible, due to California’s constitutional requirement that state budgets must be passed by a super-majority of two-thirds on both the Lower House (state assembly) and the Upper House (state senate). Though the Republicans have not controlled the Californian state legislature for many years (and are unlikely to ever do so again), there were always just enough conservative districts to ensure the free-spending Democratic majority were required to moderate their budgets somewhat to ensure that at least their public school teachers and police officers received their pay cheques, and the garbage got collected.

The thing is, all those welfare recipients I referred to above are also voters (the adult ones, anyway). Even the large proportion of illegal immigrants are now actually able to vote in state and federal elections. This is due to a campaign by former vice-President Al Gore over his eight-year term to allow illegal immigrants to open bank accounts—which have subsequently become acceptable proof of identity as voter registration in many states, including California. Given that they represent over 7% of California’s population, come mostly from neighbouring Mexico, and are beholden exclusively to one side of politics, what transpired at the 2012 state poll is hardly surprising; indeed, it was always only a matter of time.

Two years ago, Msher wrote on this blog about the (now-defunct) George Soros-backed Secretary of State Project (SoSP), designed to install left-leaning politicians in the state office responsible for the conduct of all elections. California’s incumbent Secretary of State is one Debra Bowen, a career Democratic campaigner and candidate for public office. I know nothing about her beyond her official bio and her Wiki entry, but I would be prepared to bet that she was right behind the Gore move, whose ostensible rationale is the encouragement of wide participation in the democratic process, in a country which does not have compulsory voting, but whose net effect is to expand the Democratic party’s vote base, to the point where it holds power in perpetuity.

And this month, the threshold was finally reached. According to this graphic in the Los Angeles Times, the Democrats have just scraped in with the 53 (and possibly 54) seats needed in the state assembly, and two more than the 26 seats it needs in the state senate, to form a super-majority in both houses. Not only that, but according to this article in American Thinker,

The eighth largest economy in the world is in dire shape, and its financial condition may affect the entire U.S. economy. Simply put, “California can’t pay its bills.” The state’s debt is over $16 billion. What was the public’s response? On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, California voters approved Proposition 30 (“temporarily” increasing the state sales tax and income tax on individuals making over $250,000), while rejecting Proposition 31 (allow the governor to cut the budget in fiscal emergencies) and Proposition 32 (prevent unions from making campaign donations via members dues). They also elected a liberal super-majority, insuring no spending reform. The California economy will collapse. Will a federal government bailout follow the collapse? Is California “too big” to fail?

Unless my pocket calculator is broken, a federal government collapse (or money printing spree, at a minimum) will follow a Californian collapse. Continues the WSJ article,

With no GOP restraint, liberals can now raise taxes to pay for all this. They’ll probably start by repealing Proposition 13’s tax cap for commercial property. Democrats in the Assembly held hearings on the idea this spring. Then they’ll try to make it easier for cities to raise taxes.

The greens want an oil severance tax. Other Democrats want to extend the sales tax to services, supposedly in return for a lower rate, but don’t expect any “reform” to be revenue neutral. Look for huge union pay raises and higher pension benefits.

The silver lining here is that Americans will be able to see the modern liberal-union state in all its raw ambition. The Sacramento political class thinks it can tax and regulate the private economy endlessly without consequence. As a political experiment it all should be instructive, and at least Californians can still escape to Nevada or Idaho.

If that sounds to you like it has been lifted straight from the pages of Atlas Shrugged, you’d be pretty close to the truth. Slugging the wealthiest and most productive individuals will only lead to a flight of capital and brainpower, to somewhere more conducive to unfettered productivity. To take an obvious example, who says block-buster feature films or TV series still have to be made in Hollywood? The major studios are waking up to the fact that significant cost savings can be achieved by moving filming and production offshore. In recent years, The Matrix series, X-Men, Happy Feet, Moulin Rouge and Star Wars II and III were all shot and/or produced at Fox Studios in Sydney; Xena: Warrior PrincessThe Lord of The Rings and the upcoming Hobbit series were shot on location in New Zealand, the latter two by a Kiwi director, and produced in Weta studios in Wellington.

Who needs it anymore?

Similarly, the oppressive legislative and regulatory regimes faced by even small businesses in California mean it is only a matter of time before Silicon Valley looks elsewhere for an environment more conducive to IT start-up enterprises. And while none of the secession petitions filed in Washington D.C. in the wake of Obama’s re-election have any realistic chance of gaining traction—for now—the escape from California is real, happening now, and when it translates to an appreciable drop in the state’s revenue base, may give legislators some pause for thought, that just maybe, basing a guaranteed free hand in government by handcuffing themselves to a captive welfare constituency is a short-term, feel-good solution at best; economic suicide at worst.

Where California goes, so eventually does the rest of America. The social revolutions that began in San Francisco forty-five years ago are now reflected, to a greater or lesser degree, in every other state. It surely can only be a matter of time before state after state becomes electorally bound to its own welfare constituency, a significant proportion of it composed of illegal immigrants. How that will sit with the tax-paying citizens of Texas, Alaska and Kansas, history will judge.

I Love You, California, featured at the top of the page, is the state’s official anthem. But I wonder whether, when the “love” runs out as surely as the money is about to, when the state’s most productive citizens have fled, when law and order breaks down as it has been promising to do for years (remember our own God-emperor got his first big break that way twenty years ago), some may look to the causes, and conclude that a re-working of Fun Boy Three’s 1982 hit single might be a lot more appropriate:

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61 Responses to The Liberals Have Taken Over California

  1. Amanda says:

    Same Leftist story: They have no idea where wealth comes from.

    I had that exact flag, by the way (the star and half of the bear) as my avatar recently. California (where I’ve holidayed happily twice and would like to visit again) was on my mind.

  2. Kitler says:

    The can kicking of debt seems to be apparently limitless now that the actual rule of law as applied to business no longer exists and expect any bondholders to get stiffed or get a severe haircut in the near future. They can drag the day of reckoning out another decade at least.

  3. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    I live here. I know. If I could move my job and my house to Montana, I would. They have been trying to get the high speed rail for the 30 years that I’ve lived here, and because they couldn’t get it past voters with sense, they just signed it in to law even though they were running deficits and cities are bankrupt. The people have such a short memory here that they passed the tax increases without saying cut the rail. I still can’t figure out why Democrats are so in love with it. The central valley looks like rural Mexico. Businesses are fleeing. The people of SFO are protesting because a city councilman wants to make nudity illegal on public streets and limit it to nude beaches and street fairs. (Doesn’t everyone want to see some wrinkly old hippie’s junk?) I don’t have time to rant now, but Friday look for a good one.

    Thanks SGDN, looking forward to it.

    I’m also hoping msher will find time to stop by. It was her comments that sparked me to write this thread, and her thoughts will be illuminating.

    If I had to pick one place in America to live, it would be Montana. I just love the scenery there; and the folks’ attitude too. Texas is way too flat (except for the Dal… er, never mind) and Colorado is getting too crowded. The mountainous parts of Utah or Nevada might be nice too. I really must visit America someday – Oz

  4. Good post Oz….Where are you msher?

  5. yaosxx says:

    Things are so unbelievably bleak and appalling, something has to give…
    I read this awful story in Reuters:
    Special Report – How a vicious circle of self-interest sank California city

  6. Amanda says:

    Oz: What the hell is wrong with Idaho? Or Wyoming? Staggeringly beautiful, totally uncrowded, and they vote Republican.

    Well, my list wasn’t complete obviously. As I said, I’ll have to visit some day – Oz

  7. farmerbraun says:

    FB used to send yoghurt to California: PET PLUS it was branded.
    On first receiving the enquiry for pet food yoghurt FB was very skeptical that anyone would bother with a separate brand for pets, yoghurt being yoghurt.
    But the distributor insisted and as proof sent through a brochure for FROSTY PAWS: yep , pet food ice cream!
    Only in California.
    Says it all really.

  8. Kitler says:

    FB and dairy produce being dairy produce tends to go right through most pets in a very cleansing way. Also at least 5 billion people as well.

  9. meltemian says:

    Well my horse (see Avatar) used to have colic problems so my vet suggested trying yoghourt. Have you ever tried to persuade a reluctant 16 hand plus Anglo-Arab that yoghourt was good for him? I got more than he did…..everywhere!!!! Ended up using Pepto-Bismol tablet ‘butties’, he liked them much better and they seemed to work.
    Come to think of it my vet was American, don’t think he came from California though.

  10. Amanda says:

    Oz: Upstate NY is worth a visit, too. Can’t beat the Adirondack Mountains: fascinating place (though extremely cold outside of summer/early autumn). The Finger Lakes region there is also very pretty and historied, as well as being wine country. Then there is coastal Carolina, and of course the Appalachian mountains, which run through several states and see lots of changes along the way. To say nothing of New England, which of course has an atmosphere all its own.

    Lastly there is my ‘home’ state of Florida.

    It’s a rich, rich country. Just don’t bother with Ohio, Georgia, Indiana, and Illinois outside of Chicagoland: you’ll be wasting your time!

  11. farmerbraun says:

    Kitler, this was the world’s finest lactose -free, additive -free yoghurt. It is milk that is poorly digested by many after infancy. Human milk is high in lactose.
    Don’t you know how to make up a bottle for a baby using cow’s milk ?
    Add water to lower the protein level, and add enough lactose to make it up to human levels. A drop of Vit A, D and E and Bob’s your uncle.

  12. farmerbraun says:

    Kangaroo milk is the item of choice for those who want a lactose-free milk, with polar bear milk a close second.

  13. Amanda says:

    Farmerbraun: I only have milk in my tea (a scant two teaspoons, measured out) and occasionally in mashed potatoes (though the star additive in my mash is not milk but mayonnaise). Can’t stand the stuff plain. When I was a schoolgirl in England, we were given a foil-capped bottle each to drink each day. Made me want to gag. One day I poured mine down the sink. So now I was holding an empty bottle. I remember the teacher saying to me, the rebel with a cause, ‘now THAT was easy, wasn’t it!’ And I nodded as if I’d been a good girl. I don’t recall ever drinking it after that day.

    Ha ha ha, I remember that too Amanda – the government down here decided all schoolkids here needed to drink a third of a pint of milk each morning – same foil-capped bottles as you remember. So they contracted local milkos to deliver to every school, as part of their rounds (usually about 4:30am). The trouble was, schools had no refrigeration facilities to keep all that milk, or any staff to be on hand at that time of the morning to receive it. So they were generally just dumped in the main quadrangle/playground, sometimes in a brick-lined enclosure. Imagine what four hours in an early Sydney summer morning does to half a dozen crates of bottled milk! We lined up at assembly every morning, and the nuns watched sternly as every child choked down this slightly “off” milk, some of us regurgitating it immediately. Now I come to think of it, it would have made a pretty bloody funny YouTube – Oz

  14. Amanda says:

    Oz: Chuckle! Another story to show that ‘common sense’ is anything but. You poor kids! I’m sure I would have been put in a correctional facility for ‘bad behaviour’ if forced to go through that ritual every morning! A little bit longer in the sun, and you lot could have been eating cheese instead. %^[

  15. Mark says:

    Sounds like we could have gone to the same school. I well remember the slightly ‘off’ (and sometime completely off) 1/3 pint.
    But my most enduring memory of those times were the class captains. Two kids would be appointed class captain on a weekly rotation and their job was to pass out the milk and ensure it was consumed. In an scenario that long pre-dated the Standford experiments those kids were treated as having true authority and even sour milk was drunk under their insistence. Then the next week the new captains would inherit the authority and previous captains would meekly submit to the new ‘regime’. I remember that when I first read of the Standford Experiments, it seemed vaguely familiar.

    Yep – check out this; also I can highly recommend this book – Oz

  16. msher says:

    As someone living in California, I have been writing about California for the last 3 years. Suppposedly, already a bankrupt state, and one of the two highest taxed, with individuals and businesses fleeing each year – taxpayers voted to increase income taxes on themselves and corporations and to increase sales taxes. They might have been dumb enough to vote for the increase in taxes on greedy, evil corporations, but I don’t think people voted to increase taxes on themselves. I wrote about that on JD’s blog. Here is what I said about that.

    “I have written before that liberals do not care about the U.S. Constitution (except any clause that expands power of government or creates a new victim class). Here is an illustration with respect to liberals who now control the California state legislature. California’s constitution mirrors a clause in the U.S. constitution. From the California constitution.


    SEC. 9. A bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairingthe obligation of contracts may not be passed.”

    In this months elections voters (supposedly) voted to increase personal income tax and probably did vote to increase taxes on corporations. The legislature has just decided to make such increases retroactive to last January. (Never mind that people may have already spent money or made plans based on then existing tax rates.) Would anyone say this is an ex post facto law? I certainly would.

    There is a pattern with the Dems in Washington and the ones in California. They do not obey existing laws or constitutional provisions, but they cannot wait to impose new laws doing things that often violate previous laws or the constitution.

    There are lots of nice things I can tell you about California, including the increasing influence of legislators and mayors who belong to the separatist Mexican-ancestry group MechA. (If everything is so great in Mexico, why don’t they just move there?) And they are serious. They are radicalizing the hispanic youth many of whom now refuse to speak English.

    All the nice liberal big time movie people: No full length feature film involving locations has been shot in L.A. in years. Long since too expensive (and crew has to be union). When we were kids, there were lots of hour long TV shows shot on outdoor locations, e.g., Westerns. Very few these days. too expensive, So the next time an A-list celeb whines about greed of Wall Street Bankers and the evil of outsourcing, ask him/her how much he/she made for the approximately
    8 weeks of work he/she put into the film (about $20 mil. plus a piece of the profits plus perhaps a piece of the merchandizing licenses) and where the film was shot. (Prague, maybe.)

    Very late in Calif. But on the weekend I can tell you some amazing things that are happening in California. such as the multi-gazillion dollar bullet train nobody wants that covers 300 of the 400 miles between LA and SF, the two cities it is supposed to connect. It ends somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

    Living here is sort of like being at the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party – but once you stop laughing you realize that it is all sinister and malevolent.

    Thanks for dropping by Msher – I hoped you would.

    James yesterday tweeted a reference to this thread, which resulted in an avalanche of hits. Since then, I’ve received a number of e-mails from lurkers who’ve told me in various forms that they’ll never again be able to listen to the Fun Boy Three song I referenced without replacing the words of this thread’s title. I guess it fits – Oz

  17. Kitler says:

    I give the USA less than 20 years before the Balkanizing process is effective enough to cause the breakup of the USA with no doubt Mexico grabbing back all if not more than it lost, Michigan may become the first Islamic state in the USA.
    This is all part of a highly effective plan to destroy the West. Agenda 21 where they believe that the West needs to brought down to the same standard of living as the third world. It has never occurred to them to try and raise up everyone else to Western standards as a far better solution.
    Socialists should be shot on sight.

  18. izen says:

    @- Kitler
    “This is all part of a highly effective plan to destroy the West. Agenda 21 where they believe that the West needs to brought down to the same standard of living as the third world.”

    Conspiracy theory.

    ” It has never occurred to them to try and raise up everyone else to Western standards as a far better solution.”

    But impossible.
    The earth and present technology is incapable of providing much more than 10% of the global population with the sort of consumption of resources that those in the West enjoy. It would require radical technological changes and is certainly NOT possible to use fossil fuels to provide everyone with the amount of energy used per person in the West.

    “Socialists should be shot on sight.”

    That would be individuals, sentient moral agents who hold socialist views or opinions that you wish to kill ?
    Rather close to the sort of depersonalisation seem in the Stanford and Milgram studies that allows people to envisage the killing of other people without moral qualms.

  19. msher says:


    You dismissed something as conspiracy theory. That says are unimaginative, uninformed, ignorant of history and oblivious you are.. Conspiracies have existed throughouthistory. Early Christians who spread the gospel in violation of Roman law were conspirators. The Bolshevik Revolution was a conspiracy.The American Revolution was a conspiracy. Somehow in the breakup of the Soviet Untion, all the natural resources that had belonged to the stated ended up belonging to oligarchs, That I would think was a conspiracy. The take-over by the Nazis of the Weimar Republic was a conspiracy. Dismissing some as conspiracy theory says more about you then the poster.

    Some conspiracy theories have a great deal of demonstrable evidence on which to base them. Some make perfect sense and would explain the otherwise inexplicalbe. Some are just nuts. And some make very good logical sense, have demonstrable evidence on which to base them – but happen to be wrong. Something else, instead, is going on. Each conspiracy theory must be judged on its on likelihood, demonstable evidence and logic.

    And, finally many of us conservatives mean “conspiracy” in a somewhat broader sense then the legal definition, which involves an overt criminal act. We mean it in the sense of a number of people who share ideological goals, coordinating their efforts to achieve the goal without revealing to the public what their end goal really is and willing to use propaganda, misdirection and subterfuge to achieve it. I believe the AGW interests fit that definition. I only wish that the skeptics were organized to also meet that defimition.

    But summary: Trying to dismiss an assertion merely because it is “conspiracy theory” is either a lazy or ignorant way of not dealing with the possibility that such a conspiracy (in the broader sense I define the word) may exist. Agreed that many conspiracy theories are concopted by whackos who speak to their friends on Alpha Centurie. But other conspiracy theories may have a great deal of truth to them, with perhaps some details wrong..

    I happen to believe Agenda 21 is part of the broad effort to destroy the West.

  20. Kitler says:

    Izen only a trans dimensional shape shifting reptiloid would say that speaking from their secret underground alien base.
    The thing is about a lot of conspiracy theories is that 30 years after people suspect them they turn out to be true.

  21. Kitler says:

    Izen a small example of a conspiracy to hide the truth is the Dunblane massacre where an unstable mentally ill man murdered many innocent children at a school, that is not in doubt. The conspiracy comes in about how just such a man who was connected to some very powerful people in Scotland was permitted to own firearms in the first place. Conspiracy theorists have done a good job of linking him to those people. However what makes it highly probable is that the whole incident was sealed in official records for 70 years by Tony Blair and no reason was ever given.
    Now obviously neither you nor I know the real truth but my money is on the crazy conspiracy theorists.

  22. izen says:

    Conspiracy theories are the human attempt to impose a coherent narrative on the actual way the world works – on the SNAFU principle.

    I know of no credible coniracy theory, certainly not the rise of the Nazis which was the contingent outcome of very many intentional and unintentional factors. Trying to extract just a secrect plot from that, or the Dunblane events is scripting a drama out of a concatation of tenuously related events.

  23. Kitler says:

    Izen…”But impossible.
    The earth and present technology is incapable of providing much more than 10% of the global population with the sort of consumption of resources that those in the West enjoy. It would require radical technological changes and is certainly NOT possible to use fossil fuels to provide everyone with the amount of energy used per person in the West.”
    You have a scarcity mentality what you lack is imagination that with the right small technological advances we could not raise up the standard of living of the worlds people. Thorium seems very promising as a cheap energy source and cheap energy is the key to raise everyone up to a higher standard of living.
    As for shooting on sight I believe socialists killed over 120 million in the 20th century. It’s called self defense.

  24. Kitler says:

    Izen so JFK’s involvement in the bay of pigs did not happen, he did not have President Diem assassinated in Vietnam thereby killing millions of people. LBJ did not manufacture the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
    These were all high level and proven conspiracies that really happened.

  25. izen says:

    @- Kitler

    You seem to be using as a definition of conspiracy any actions taken by the rulers that they try to keep secret from the ruled. Or perhaps even any actions by a group of people that they try to keep secret in all or part from others.
    I would regard that as a bit broad. It includes everything with any secrecy involved. But the examples you give show the problems. The bay of Pigs, Diems’ assassination and the Tonkin incidents may have all had elements of secrecy by those planning them, but in each case the apparent {secret} purpose of the actions was not fully achieved and the unintended side-effects rather outweighed the ostensible goal.
    All of them also show the role of random, unplanned events that altered the expected outcome.

  26. msher says:


    “Conspiracy theories are the human attempt to impose a coherent narrative on the actual way the world works – on the SNAFU principle.”

    No one would deny the SNAFU principle – but did you read the definition of “conspiracy” that I said conservatives are using it to mean?

    Are you seriously saying that the Nazi”s did not conspire to take over the Weimar Republic? Little things like Hitler’s ambitions, the fire in the Reichstag, etc. You cannot be serious. Obviously a conpiracy may be effected, hindered or helped by other forces not related to it and not foreseen. And conspirators may set off unintended consequences that achieve very different results than they intended. And there may be different groups conspiring towards different things that collide with each other leading to events where one single pattern is hard to discern.

    Do you think many in the EU have been conspiring to make it a political entity since the beginning? If you don’t, you haven’t read what they themselves wrote. When I was a kid, there was a group in America called the John Birch Society. They were dismissed by everyone including me as crazy right wing whackos. What they warned is that the UN and many of the people who forrmed it believed in one universal government and the UN would be used to be that governnment, trying ever more to increase the scope of its reach. These people were prescient. That is exactly what has happened = and the UN is proud of their efforts, and many people do believe it shouldhave control. The climate change treaty proposed to be signed at Copenhagen put the UN in charge of our economies as the monitor and enforcer of carbon emissions. The World Health Organization uses every possible disease to label as a potential pandemic, giving it reason to be in our health care systems. It passes laws about human rights and rights of children that are supposed to be universal and all signatories must adopt as their own law (unless they are Muslim or a third world kleptocracy, then they can ignore whatever they want.) It has a very vocal claim that the internet is international, so it is the only body capable of controlling it. It wanted to monitor U.S. elections to make sure they are fair. (They are not, they are rigged = by the groups that support the UN.) The John Birch Society predicted all of this, plus a master planning document along the lines of Agenda 21,50 years ago. Every single thing they predicted has come to pass. Yet they were dismissed as right wing conspiracy whackos.

    Remember, I am using a broad defintion a conspiracy as like-minded people and groups acting in concert to acheive shared goals, not all of which they have revealed publicly, and willing to use subterfuge, propaganda and misdirection to acheive their shared goals. Some conspiracies, as i use the word, might even be deemed benevolent. What you seem to not understand is that in many of these things I called conspiracies the participants are proud of their goals, and publicly boast of at least some of them.

    I you can say that the Nazi’s didn’t conspire to take over the Weimar Republic, then you definitely come under the heading of a “deneralist.” (My word to be inclusive of the various forms of the slur thrown at AGW skeptics.) Obviously conditions and other events had to work out right for them to be successful. A less punitive France, no hyper-inflation – a whole host of things might have made them unsuccessful. But a whole host of things didn’t make them unsuccessful. If you truly don’t call the Nazi movement a conspiracy in the sense I use the word, then we live in different universes and we speak different languages and there would be nothing we would ever perceive in the same way.

  27. farmerbraun says:

    Oz I was going to post the video of the true blue Australians abusing the French passengers on the bus , but something won’t let me.

    Not sure what was going on there FB, but I woke up to half a dozen of your posts in the spam queue. I know some are duplicates, but I’ve approved them all.

    Ermm, I’m not sure it’s news though: “Shock – horror – Australia has some racists!” The implication being that other countries, e.g., New Zealand, don’t. Why then, are so many people jumping on leaky boats and heading down here? Perhaps they don’t read the news.

    Also, I’ve just had a look at the video; can someone explain to me how a group of drunken white yobbos abusing a white woman speaking a different language, constitutes “racism”? That’s a word bandied about far too freely and easily.

    I recall about twenty years ago, late one night, when I was compelled to, um, “require” a similarly intoxicated individual to alight from a near-empty train in Sydney, following an identical tirade at a group of young Chinese students. Idiots get drunk. They swear and carry on. It happens all over the world, FB. It’s called human nature.

    I am also minded to wonder how the young lady would have fared, had she had been singing her French songs while, say, strolling about Auckland Harbour – Oz 🙄

  28. farmerbraun says:

    Just delete all but one. Done – Oz

  29. farmerbraun says:

    No implication intended; it was the mob behaviour that FB found interesting, being the career ethologist that he is.
    But yes , the most interesting thing was the way in which an everyday occurrence was reported.
    Who knew that “les Frogs” were a different race?

  30. Amanda says:

    FB: I had a quick look at the article before turning away in disgust. Savages: the intimidation would have been traumatic. It would seem that they were abusing a soft target (woman, Westerner) as a proxy for the targets they really despise….

    Amanda, I feel really bad when this sort of stuff makes the news. There are drunken white male idiots in every English speaking country – yours, mine, Farmerbraun’s… and far worse examples of genuine racism, from other races and cultures, not all that far away. I needn’t provide lists as I’m sure you’re all too aware of the most appalling examples.

    Folks, Australia is an open, friendly and welcoming place to visit and live in. The overwhelming majority of visitors and recent immigrants will tell you this, far more eloquently than I ever could. Those who over-emphasise the comparatively rare counter-examples tend to have an agenda, and frankly, that pisses me off – Oz

  31. Mark says:

    In the early half of the last century where was a school of thought among some of those who considered themselves the friend of the downtrodden that they ought to let things get really bad so as to hasten the inevitable revolution. These people thought they should oppose all attempts to improve the lives of the workers since that only delayed the march to a socialist utopia,

    I’ve seen some argue a similar line following the election… namely that the GOP ought to concede that Obama has a mandate to implement all his notions. The idea is that by 2016 things would then be so bad and the failure of the Dems ideology so apparent that the GOP will sweep into power with sufficient authority to right the state and implement all those distasteful policies that are needed to bring the US budget under control.

    Similar things have been said here should the ALP somehow manage to garner a win next year. Likewise it has been argued that we ought to force places like greener-than-green Tasmania to endure the full consequences of their tree-hugging mania rather than use the Federal distributive mechanism to paper over those consequences.

    It may well be that CA is a example to the rest of the US and indeed the world of what happens when the people and the public servants decide to simple vote themselves more and more benefits. But one wonders whether and what the lessons will be learned.

    In the end, as we’ve seen in Greece, Spain and Italy, those who benefit from state largess really don’t care whether its sustainable so long at they are looked after. Equally, as we’ve seen in San Bernardino ( mentioned above) the complete breakdown of the finances merely sees beneficiaries squabble over the shrinking trough.

    So I don’t see the idea that it has to get worse before it gets better as a winning strategy. California’s political class will continue to spend as though the economy is booming even as it tanks. And as it gets worse they’ll look to extract more and more from the productive class and then to look to assistance from other productive states disguised as Federal assistance.

    Where that takes the US is anyone’s guess but none of the guesses are pleasant. One wonders just how strong the federation really will prove as supplicant states feast on the frugality of productive states. We live in interesting times…unfortunately.

    My point exactly, and well put Mark.

    I’m sort of hoping James might turn his attention to the super-majority in the Californian state legislature, and what it bodes for the USA and the western world generally. California is so emblematic of the ills of the West it’s not funny – Oz

  32. izen says:

    @- Kitler

    There are a gradation and diversity of meanings that range from the way people and groups conspire to achieve a goal, how conspiracies arise and the sort of conspiracy theories that people believe are accurate descriptions of real events.
    For every complex historical process there is a simple and comprehensible explanation.
    That is wrong.

    People, and groups with financial/political power conspire to get what they want. But the outcome is rarely accurately described by granting the conspiracy more than a partial causative role in any outcomes.

    As for the situation in CA. The wealth of that area is the result of the large numbers of rich consumers. How much they can be taxed will test the breakpoint of the Laffer curve.
    Demand drives supply.

  33. meltemian says:

    Thanks fen’, just voted.

  34. Amanda says:

    Ozboy: Of course I understand that, darling, and didn’t want my comments to suggest otherwise. As far as I’m concerned, people from Down Under are the ‘Texans I’d want in my trench’ in times of trouble — and they’re also good for laughing with. I think Australia is wonderful, and wish I could visit (can you bring it just a bit closer? (^: ). It was just that my sense of empathy kicked in and that’s why I turned away quickly: my hubby and I have been through things that make that sort of irrationality all too immediate, even when we’re reading about other people. My heart rate immediately starts to go up….

    Can we have an Australia Appreciation Day here at the Bar and Grill? I’ll pour a nice glass of vino and raise it to you. I know who’s on my side and whose side I’m on! xxxxxx

    Very generous of you to say so Amanda, thanks.

    But Kitler below is correct too: the Australia of popular imagination is now largely a myth. Australians today are by and large the same bunch of dependent city-dwellers as most of America and Britain. That’s why I got as far away from the city as I could while still being able to run my business – Oz

  35. Kitler says:

    Amanda I hate to say it but the Australia of legend is probably no more and now has it’s fair share of socialist scumbags ready to sell out their own country to places like China. They have also gotten soft and rather flabby when it comes to self reliance and liberty.
    Same as everywhere else and it’s going to take a big shock to wake up the West to what needs to be done.
    Saying that it is an awesome place to visit I’m sure but I’m still trying to see the USA at the moment.

  36. Amanda says:

    Oz: Well that’s a shame if so, but there are still lots of good people left!

    Oh, sure – just the same as in America and Britain. It’s why I’m actually optimistic about the medium- to long-term future. But I fear things may get very ugly in the meantime – Oz

  37. msher says:


    We are in for a rather grim 4 years as torrents of new regs are unleashed, especially relating to energy and upping the price. Obama laid back the last 2 years, but they are there waiting to be implemented. I am still deciding whether to become apathethic like most of the Brits because the problem is so much bigger than I can do anything about, or to pitch in somewhere, and where is the most effective place. Vote fraud, I still think. But I’m not sure where efforts make the most sense.


    Ozboy – yes Debra Bowen is a Soros secretary of state. But I wondered why he bothered in California. Dems could win anyway. It might have something to do with all those ID cards Al Gore as VP got issued to illegal immigrants now beinc accepted by the California secretary of state as proof of citizenship for voter registration. They have effectively established in California that citizenship isn’t necessary to vote.

  38. izen says:

    The idea that illegal immigrants can use id cards to register to vote and then significantly alter election outcomes is a nasty red herring.
    Consider, if an area has so many illegals that the outcome of elections would be altered if a significant proportion vote then it indicates that a significant proportion of the population are disenfranchised. They are paying sales and payroll tax, but have no democratic input into the civic governance they are subject to. Immigrants are on average younger and more often in employment than the indigenous population, they are net wealth contributors to the system as a source of cheap labor.
    If sufficient immigrants can {illegally?} get onto the electoral register and vote in sufficient numbers to affect the outcome then they are JUSTIFIED in having that electoral influence, morally if not legalistically.
    Given the reluctance to vote indicated by the low turnout in elections it is some compensation for the <50% of eligible voters that fail to exercise their right that so many are keen to engage in the democratic system even if they may not be enfranchised by the letter of the law.

    If CA is the paradigm of liberal fiscal extravagance and ineptitude perhaps someone who follows these things can give an example of conservative fiscal restraint and efficiency. Is there a state where the budget is balanced but the services required by the population are delivered adequately?

  39. msher says:


    Yes there are places in California where illegals can change the outcome.It is not a nasty red herring.Where a Democrat was in big trouble and managed to win by a hair, there was probably vote fraud, but there were also probably a number of illegals voting.

    Who says they are paying payroll tax? Many work off the books for cash. There are places everywhere in California where they gather in the morning hoping contractors or homeowners will hire them as day laborers. There is a place about 10 miles from my home. There may be ot Whher such gathering places in different directions even closer that I don’t happen to be aware of.

    In recent years, many are here not as hard-working heads of family trying to send money back to family in Mexico, but as drug dealers and criminals.

    You are unique in arguing someone illegally in a country should be able to vote. There are many who are here legally, with green cards, who argue they are taxed without representation. That is a reasonable argument and reasonable people can argue either side of that. But someone who is in a country illegally – and expects to vote??????? Do you advocate that for your own country?

    Before you decide I am a nasty racist, let me be very clear on my position: I don’t even care about the illegal part. I care about the bribery by the Dems to have them vote Dem, I care about the using of emergency rooms on my tax dollars and mostly I care that they are here and son’t want to be American. They, or more likely, their children, have been radicalized into thinking they are a separate race, that California should be given back to Mexico (so why don’t they just go back to Mexico if they like Mexico so much?), they refuse to speak English and everything has to be done now in Spanish and English. If they were here and glad to be here and wanted to be Americans, I wouldn’t have an issue. On one of the blogs I spoke about my part-time housekeeper, who was an illegal from El Salvador, who received amnesty under the Reagan amnesty. She became a citizen, has raised her two daughters as English speaking Americans. She speaks fluent English and has set up a nice business for herself running housekeeping crews for a number of families. I have all the respect in the world for her. She doesn’t like the recent immigrants either. For the same reason I don’t – they are here, but don’t want to be Americans. I am friendly with my hair dresser, a woman born in the Phillippines who has been here since her twenties. She raised her two children as Americans.I am the daughter of an English mother who entered the country illegally (She later did the things necessary to straighten that out and became a citizen.) I was raised as an American.The Chinese and Japanese who are here raise their children as Americans. I have no problem with immigrants of any kind (except the Russian mafia types) who are here, glad to be here and want to be Americans and don’t start identifying themselves as a separate victim voting block.

  40. farmerbraun says:

    “Is there a state where the budget is balanced but the services required by the population are delivered adequately?”

    I would say Godzone, but it remains to be seen whether the Government books will return to surplus over the next few years as planned.
    If the more socialist Labour party regains the government benches then the prospect of a return to surplus is much less likely, and we would see another round of welfare-dependency/ vote -buying.

    There is no doubt that services are delivered adequately , even generously, with the caveat that if you want more than the lowest common denominator , you will have to make more effort yourself.

  41. Amanda says:

    Izen is in nutbar territory, here.

    It may interest him to know that the Mexican Constitution explicitly forbids foreigners from assembling in public — to protest, parade, or otherwise make their political opinions known. They are there at government pleasure and cannot petition for anything. They are paying guests or there on sufferance. And yet Mexicans expect America to be their own more lucrative backyard.

    Do you think this is right, Izen? I don’t. Apart from the double standards — which the Left specializes in — I believe in something called a polity. A polity is a people, in essence, who agree on the general ground rules of their regime and civilization (the two overlap but are not the same). You would allow the polity and the sovereignty that goes with it to be wiped out extra-legally by a very minimal economic input. I’m sorry, but that will not wash — not in a million million years!

    By the way, the ones that you think have some sort of economic claim to vote in our elections are usually working at the margins, in menial, unskilled and barely-skilled jobs that Americans WILL do and WOULD do, if they weren’t crowded out by illegal aliens. I know what I’m talking about because I lived in Houston, Texas, for five years — where such people swell the population and also the crime — something else you didn’t take into account. They also strain the taxpayer as they strain the budgets for schools and hospitals. Something else you blithely ignore in your extra-legal extra-moral view of the situation.

  42. Amanda says:

    Msher: Hi. As someone that had to be subjected to an entirely unnecessary chest X-ray, spend hours filling in forms, more hours sitting in waiting rooms, and not an inconsequential sum of money to become a LEGAL citizen, I certainly DO care about the illegal part. I care because I uphold the law and because I believe in national sovereignty — which at the very least means that a nation’s people decide who is and who is not qualified to enter. And I care because I was better citizenship material than they are, and yet I was compelled to do it the hard way. I did justice, but in a certain way I don’t think America did justice to me or to to all the other decent people that wait for years and sometimes never succeed because they are willing to respect the law.

  43. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    G’day all,
    Sorry not to get back to my rant as promised. Too many neglected chores to do on a holiday weekend. Now a warning. This is a rant and it’s going to be all over the place, just too much stupidity to put into any logical order.
    Before I start to FB. The Frosty Paws youghurt comes in a few special flavors that the human variety doesn’t, chicken, beef and liver. I just give my dog the plain human stuff. It makes his coat shiny and soft, but his ears drag in it and the ends of his ears get gunky. The new foster girl doesn’t like the stuff, but I’m not willing to pay so much for liver flavor.
    I moved out here 30 years ago to go to college. It was a real culture shock. In fact, one of the first events on campus I attended was the Whole Earth Festival. I thought the 60s were over, but there was Wavy Gravy selling roach clips and tye dye. I work at a university, it hasn’t changed.
    Item 1: California is stuck in the 60s (mentality) and never grew up.
    The first election I could vote in was when Jerry Brown left office the first time (they just re-elected the idiot) and they elected Duekmajian (sp?). The state was in bad shape. The Carter recession hit Ca late and so it recovered late, delayed by the idiot’s poilcies.
    Item 2: Short memories.
    Brown had a campaign manager that he made his chief of staff for a year named Grey Davis. Grey went on to carve out a political career for himself by running for one office and then another. This gave him a lot of impressive positions on his resume, the problem being he was never in one long enough to accomplish anything (this had the advantage of never having time to really screw anything up too badly either, though). I mentioned this observation to others, they weren’t bothered by it.
    Item 3: short attention span/no attention to detail.
    Grey becomes Governor and screws up and then lies to cover it up. They petition to recall him. Instead of saying “ok I get you’re mad and I messed up. Here is my plan to fix it.” he says ” this is nothing but sour grapes from a bunch of losers”. The recall is successful.
    Item 4: politicians act like children and refuse to take responsibility.
    Lots of people put their hat in to run for governor. I became excited for the first time because Peter Ueberroth runs (wow!!!). Then Arnie runs and Mr. Ueberroth drops out because the people are distracted by the shiny biceps and “hasta la vista, baby” catchphrase.
    Item 5: easily distracted

    More later. A few links to give some background to msher’s and my statements.
    Good night all.

  44. izen says:

    If people are sufficiently socialy embedded to be able to register on the electorial register and sufficiently politicaly engaged to vote, then legal or illegal they have the ethical right to have their vote counted, if not the legal right.
    But that is just authoritarian, pedantic rule-keeping driven in part by that last refuge of the bigoted, nationalism and patriotism.

    If there are a sufficient number of such people to affect the democratic result locally then it is morally justified t hat they have that power because they ARE a significant component of the local society. I don’t find the excuse that they may be working in the black economy and not paying payroll tax convincing. The businesses employing them are at least as culpable, more so given the asymmetry of power. The employer can force the worker to pay tax, the employee cannot impose the same condition on an employer. The cheap {untaxed illegal} workers are of course a business subsidy with considerable advantage for the business that indulge in using illegals.

    The vote of any body who is sufficiently socially involved to vote should be counted, the paperwork of citizenship are secondary. Given the low enthusiasm for voting rejecting those actually well motivated is ridiculous on purely technical grounds.

    I provisionally accept FB’s nomination of NZ {godzone} as an example of a stable system with tax and welfare in some sort of balance. I will have to look up what the percentage of GDP goes to governance and how it is collected/distributed…

    CA is probably moving away from the US model of low taxation and low welfare to the northern European model of a high tax and welfare society in which a significant proportion of the ‘wealth’ of an individual resides in the government provision of services and support. I know that is ideologically repellent to some, but it is a very stable and effective way of running a society as the long term success of the Scandinavian states show.

    Mexico is an example of the opposite. A low tax, low welfare society with a narco- economy and a political system spavined by its puppet satellite status as part of the US Imperium. Look at all the other S American satellites, and the client states in S E Asia and the preponderance of authoritarian tyrannies that just happen to impose very low taxes on foreign businesses is obvious.

    I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests
    in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City
    Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen
    Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of
    racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international
    banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican
    Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras
    “right” for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see
    to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested…. Looking back on it, I
    felt I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to
    operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three

  45. msher. You are not about to become apethetic. ….There is nothing to decide.

  46. msher says:


    I respect your anger. I would feel the same myself.

  47. Ozboy says:

    I suspect that all of us can recite “immigrant success stories”; some of you are shining examples of such yourselves. What distinguishes the immigrant success story from the others related here isn’t a matter of race, nationality or cradle tongue, but the willingness of the immigrant to buy into his or her adopted nation’s narrative; not simply its language and laws, but its history, culture and aspirations. Msher remarked above, If they were here and glad to be here and wanted to be Americans, I wouldn’t have an issue. Surely that’s the point? Maybe, as several have suggested, an amnesty, perhaps contingent on some means of proof of conformance to that adoptive nation’s narrative, may be the answer? I’m not sure.

  48. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    When I was younger I used to say things to my friends (whether I believed those things or not) just to get a rise out of them. I sometimes think that is your motivation and is why I usually sit back and enjoy your comments, but don’t engage you. I will, however, point out the hole you poked in your own argument. You stated that anyone who is socially embedded and politically engaged should be allowed to vote. Msher stated (and I agree because it has been my observation) that the illegals voting (illegally) are not socially embedded or politically engaged. They do not speak English or participate in our culture, or contribute to the community by helping at schools or building parks, etc. They vote for the party that they are told to (the ones who helped them fake their identity/voter regs) without researching or considering what they are doing. The problem here is that many of the legal immigrants from Asia and Eastern Europe (those that do embed and engage) tend to vote Republican so the Democrats try to make their path to citizenship difficult. The legal and illegal immigrants from primarily Latin America and the Middle East tend to cling to their former culture and do not assimilate. They vote Democrat because they’re pandered to.
    You also need to check the accuracy of your Scandinavian assertion. There are reports that their socialist utopia is crumbling also, just not as fast as PIIGS.
    Californians always believed (and still believe) that their education system was one of the finest. My grandmother was a teacher in several different states during her 45 (starting in the 20s) year career. She told me that whenever a student transferred in from CA (to CO, WY, KS, NE, and MT) they were almost always (automatically) put back one to two grades, or told to get tutoring (at their own expense) to catch up. Where I live I had no private school options for my daughter. I had to deal with the public school nightmare. No teaching of phonics or Greek and Latin roots. Rote memory math and no metric system. Lots of self-esteem and social responsibility. Revised history. A few good teachers but most were terrible. Her high school had students from Denmark, China, Portugal, Czech Republic, etc., but the only culture celebrated was Mexican (not all of the Hispanics there were Mexican). At lunch in the cafeteria, only mariachi music was allowed. Cinco de Mayo was celebrated, but not veteran’s day. Kids were excused from class because they were too tired from staying up till 2 am to celebrate the virgin of Guadalupe, but if a kid wanted to stay home for Rosh Hashanah it was not excused.
    Items 6&7: poor education and a cultural bias toward a foreign culture (ours is inferior to all others, that are of course equal.)

    OT but relates to threads discussed here or that you planned on discussing. Also a good comment about the confusion of the author between libertarianism and libertinism.

    I’m glad you took the legal route and stayed.

    Good night again,
    (it takes forever to type on this #>^! iPad.)

  49. msher says:


    There has to be an amnesty. We can’t deport 12 million people. But nothing says amnesty means automatic citizenship. Those who stay can get green cards and wait their turn for citizenship. I don’t know that they really care. The only extra thing citizenship bestows is the right to vote. It is the Dems who care about that. Military service should, I think, be the one fast route to citizenship.

    The other thing that has to change is the law that says that anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen. That made sense when people crossed oceans to settle here, with no plans to go back to Europe. It makes no sense now. It is turned around and bootstrapped into an argument for the whole family to stay: “Well the two kids are citizens. How can we possibly send their parents back to Mexico, leaving the kids here alone?” (No mention that the kids can go with the parents.) I don’t know why this hasn’t been changed long ago. It would solve many problems.

    I can speak personally to this issue of wanting to be in the country you emigrate to. Many Americans go to live in Costa Rica. It is a stable democracy, a tropical paradise and the cost of living is much, much cheaper. It has a national health service and medical care is pretty good. Literacy is almost universal, and many Costa Ricans have spent time in the States and there is always someone around who speaks very good English. (Incidentally, Costa Rica won’t let you immigrate unless you have a goodly sum of money to deposit in their banks or to invest in a business which hires x number of locals.) I spent some time there, because certainly living well on the money I would have was very appealing. I enjoyed my time there as a visitor very much, but realized tropical Latin paradises are not for me, I don’t want to learn a new language and I don’t never identify with the cultur I would never be fully engaged in the life of the country or think of myself as a Costa Rican. To me that was enough to say I shouldn’t consider emigrating there. If you don’t want to learn the language, don’t identify with the culture and don’t want to fully engage in the life of the country – you shouldn’t emigrate to it.

  50. Luton Ian says:

    Flying visit – I would have stayed in Ireland (though €800 to get “citizenship”/not be held responsible for Blair’s crimes, was a bit steep), economy and relationship intervened.

    Here’s one for Kitler
    DNA results for American bigfoot

    Oz, are there sightings of yowies reported for Tas? or just for the mainland?

    Just the mainland, as far as I’m aware. Taswegians are too busy cooking up sightings of thylacines – Oz

  51. Ozboy says:

    How about a plan to reduce Californian CO2 emissions, as well as slash car ownership in California while sumultaneously lower the cost of car ownership, end gridlock on their freeways, make it easier for anyone to get from point A to point B whenever they wish, faster and cheaper, and lower unemployment and associated welfare dependency – all without the need to spend a single penny of public money! What a plan! Naturally, the government would be all for it, right?

    Unless, of course, the plan also happens to cut out the government as a middle man, sidestep taxation and regulation, and threaten corrupt and entrenched monopolies. Then both the crony capitalists and the Cadillac communists will be dead against it. All in the public’s interest, of course.

  52. msher says:


    New York City did approximately the same thing in the 80’s and 90’s. Enterprising immigrants bought vans and would give people rides down to lower Manhattan from the Upper East Side. Cost was more than bus or subway, but not nearly as much as a private towncar or radio taxi service. People, including myself loved these vans. Their pick up points happened to be more convenient as well as their drop off points. The City Limousine and Taxi Commission ruled they had to have an official medallion (price at the time, somewhere near $50,000) to provide this service. In theory, if you believe in regulation, it’s probably correct that they should have to meet the same licensing provisions as taxi drivers – except one of the things taxi drivers had to do was pass tests showing they knew all 5 boroughs of the city in and out, so they knew how to get places the most direct route. (I don’t know how drivers passed that test. Everybody knows Manhattan, but they didn’t know anything about the other 4 boroughs.) But the van drivers only went between say two stops up town and 3 down town. City could have even have just said they had to show proof of insurance. Last I heard City was still prohibiting, they were running anyway, and I don’t know the outcome.

  53. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    Luton you beat me to it! My boss actually knows her (Ketchum) and wasn’t even half as amused as we were. I had a few thoughts. 1- I bet the (human) mitochondrial DNA found on the bagel matches the woman who found it. 2- If it’s a human/hominid hybrid, ewww! The article I posted yesterday becomes relevant to this discussion too.

    Oz, I had forgotten about the Taz Tigers. Cool, but no Chupacabra.

    Earlier you and msher mentioned Soros funded projects. Here is another.
    The media and Hollywood here in CA eat this stuff up and vomit it up constantly without realizing it, even Fox reporters.
    Items 8&9- Few here are able to think for themselves. Opinion is controlled by celebrity.
    You and Watts already talked about 10- more redundant government agencies than the federal government and too many regulations, usually helping cronies crush free enterprise and competition.
    Arnie the RINO killed the Republican party here in CA. He started out in his first year trying to get the reforms he promised, failed, then turned progressive. He was playing the part of Governator (sadly, Arnie was never a good actor). Unfortunately the US really only has 2 parties. The others rarely get elected.
    Good night.

  54. Kitler says:

    Remember the Texas DNA lab that always gave the police a 100% confirmation on all their suspects, it will be years before they unwind all the false imprisonment cases. A human/primate crossbreed is impossible our fused chromosome doesn’t allow it. Then you have the inbreeding problem with such a narrow gene pool of two individuals as a species starter.
    My money is on the Alma’s in Mongolia as a relict ancient human population they do occasionally kidnap humans and use them to breed with so they are more likely to resemble modern humans and not suffer from inbreeding problems. Also a late 19th century Russian expedition actually encountered them and after a fight ran away.

  55. farmerbraun says:

    Farmer braun persists with the iPad when all the mini-macs are tied up. The trick seems to be to always use the screen expander, because most of the SNAFUs occur from accidentally touching something in the margins; very frustrating!
    If you expand until you can only touch the window that you are actually using it becomes much quicker.

  56. Luton Ian says:

    Heads up on yet another stalking horse for net censorship
    It’s all for the children, of course:

    If anyone knows any electronics and software genii – we need “cloud” phones, able to route calls and internet access through the cloud, that way, the statists can not monitor or control what we look at, or whom we talk to,

    and their chosen crony “service providers” can’t screw us either.

  57. Kitler says:

    England 38-21 New Zealand

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