The Dragon’s Dissent

As you’re probably aware, most warmists appear to believe it vitally important that the reputed consensus in the scientific community regarding CAGW remains inviolate. Any questioning of this consensus, any appearance of pockets of dissent anywhere in the world, is ruthlessly attacked—as we’ve seen so often in both the published literature, and the blogosphere.

This makes the Chinese government’s derailing of last year’s Copenhagen summit most intriguing. Given that scientists in that country do not have to tout for research grants the way they do in the West, and are thus (counter-intuitively in an otherwise totalitarian society) freer to give their masters frank and fearless advice, untainted by any political agenda, it begs the question: what do you suppose they told Premier Wen Jiabao (himself a qualified geologist) about Global Warming? And what is Mr. Wen’s own opinion?

The common response that I’ve tended to hear to this is that China leads the world in renewable energy technology investment. It’s an argument that rings a little hollow when you consider Beijing plans to build coal-fired power stations at the equivalent rate of one Australia, per year, for the next twenty-five years. The reputed Chinese fascination with renewable energy looks at best, a very long-term fallback position; at worst, a façade.

That’s what makes what you’re about to read even more startling. It’s a book called Low Carbon Plot, by Gou Hongyang and, as it’s freely available in China’s government-controlled bookstores, carries Beijing’s nihil obstat. No English translation is currently available, but our own China correspondent, Locusts, has translated the introduction from the original Mandarin, and (not entirely without risk to himself) has asked me to make it publicly available on this forum. At four thousand words, it’s a little long to insert onto a blog page, but you can navigate to it from the Rare Scribblings menu option at the top, or just click here.

It’s not so much an eye-opener as it is a bombshell. If true, it shows the Chinese government as rejecting CAGW in its entirety, believing it a conspiracy between Western governments and business to protect their own way of life, at the expense of the entire developing world—in other words, 80% of the world’s population.

I urge all of you to read this excerpt from Low Carbon Plot. Those who speak with the certainty of ignorance, and tout the Chinese government as yet another compliant administration of Global Warming believers, will need to think again. And all of us owe Locusts a vote of thanks.

Update 23 August 2010: Part II of this story has recently been posted; you can view it here.

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294 Responses to The Dragon’s Dissent

  1. Edward. says:

    The Chinese are wise, well versed in the western way of thinking, we always underestimate/misunderstand the Chinese inscrutable facade.
    They have been playing the game for much longer than we have, the bottom line is the Chinese are perfectly correct in their summation of the AGW BS/conjecture.

    Of far greater import is the fact that (as they observe in their sworn enemies and rivals in Japan), economic statis, deflation and all the de-industrialisation CAGW amelioration remedies imply – China needs approximately 6-8% growth in GDP to stand still or to keep it going………………..think about it!

    The Chinese think, “**** that for a game of soldiers, that’s not in our script.”
    Even if the west were to go for all the loony AGW panaceas; windmills, photovoltaic cells, electric cars…..guess who’s best placed to provide them?

    It’s a win win situation for the Chinese, stay sceptic, keep industrialising, sell idiot technology to the loons in Europe etc.

    Premier Wen Jiabao, even if he wanted to, I don’t think he has the clout to stop this industrial juggernaut anymore……………….and he knows if he tried, there would be an uprising in the major towns and industrialised conurbations, thus, his hands are tied.

  2. fenbeagle says:

    Wow!….. Well done, and thank you ‘Locusts’.

  3. Pointman says:

    Indeed. Well done Locusts. Fascinating stuff.


  4. thendisnighnot says:

    Excellent stuff Ozboy & Locusts. It’s even more obvious in Shanghai that the Chinese don’t believe in this guff…. witness the World Expo 2010 In the English language Shanghai Daily most days since Expo started there appear to be “planted” articles re CAGW .. I wonder why?? Go visit and see what the Chinese are flogging “us” I’ve been saying for ages the Chinese Government will present a face to the liberal west which suits them but no way will they ever put this bullshit in front of their country’s interests. Also a very valid comment re the scientists over here they have no need to prostitute themselves to gain funding! It’s all so wonderfully ironic for the lefties in the west I bet their choking on their lentils!

  5. NoIdea says:


    Many thanks for all your work, an interesting and thought provoking article.

    On the previous thread Izen was kind enough to advance my education in isotopic carbon ratios, his short and clear description helped me no end. I just hope the information is correct –grin-

    Back off-topic…
    One small phrase from Locusts translation that caught my eye as it almost seems to tie into the HAARP conversation was

    “A most heinous, sinister ghoul; like a butterfly far away in China, it only has to flap its wings, and will create a violent wind in Alaska that’ll envelop the American people in fire and water.”

    A violent wind in Alaska, home to the HAARP what a strange coincidence…
    IMO the HAARP array is either a Tesla resonant EMF earthquake making weather machine, or a very large EMF transmitter used to research the atmosphere, probably somewhere in between…

    There have been no end of theories and links, to patents for weapon systems invented by various “mad scientist” to HAARP.
    The trouble with mad scientists is that the insanity invalidates much of their science as it lies outside of reality. Which is actually a very good thing in some cases as it is easy to spot and ignore. Sometimes when the insanity is subtle or can be made to seem to appear reasonable it is given serious weight, (AGW springs to mind!)
    Some “mad” scientists are however just seen as eccentric, as their vision is so far ahead of the curve. Nicholas Tesla would appear to be one such “mad” genius, between inventing many things that we take for granted these days (AC electricity) and having many of his ideas awarded to others (Marconi) he was also talking about the transmission of electricity without the need for wires and such heady stuff as matter transporters (As used in Star trek)
    Then there are those who are not mad but rely on the ignorance of others to sell their latest scams and schemes (magnetic generators that need to be powered by mains, but for some reason cannot power them selves when up and running!) often aimed at the most gullible and scientifically ignorant, the “greens”.
    Many of these scams rely on the same save the planet mentality to push through obviously bogus suppositions.
    On the other hand there is a case for suppression of forbidden technologies by those with monstrous fortunes to lose. If I where the owner of a multi billion dollar corporation that could see my entire product line becoming obsolete with a new innovation, would I not be tempted to buy the silence of the innovator?


  6. suffolkboy says:

    What intrigues me is guessing what line the UK will take at Cancun, and in the weeks up to it in public opinion engineering. My expectation is that there will be a pro-AGW media blitz and attempts to stigmatize China as a world-class polluter (by claiming CO2 is a pollutant). I have not seen that yet: the AGW camp seems to be in disarray, but I would expect some expensive new advertising campaign to begin in September. At Cancun I would expect the delegation to continue to block the African countries’ attempts to use local fuel such as coal. Although that is my expectation, I have sneaking suspicion that the UK might be frantically working out a Plan B which, though not exactly a U-turn, might be a softening of the CAGW line that it currently propagates. (This might well be in order not to disrupt the fantastic love-in at all levels between the UK and China in almost every other matter. How is China perceived in the US and Australia?)

    The lentil-eaters might have a breakdown, as they vigorously push for poverty reduction (and debt write-offs) for the Third-World countries, yet simultaneously seek to ban them from burning or exporting whatever carbonaceous assets they can find, be it on the surface or under the ground, thus rendering their assets valueless in offsetting their debts.

    There will be interesting times between for the rest of the year.

  7. Pointman says:

    I’ve posted this before but given the Chinese nature of this topic and for the benefit of new readers, I’ll post it again. It’s the precise moment which doomed the Copenhagen fiasco to failure.


  8. Edward. says:


    Already the first salvos have been fired, it began with NOAA claiming, “hottest ever, since time began and the earth was formed!” Or summat, the Broadcasting Global Warming Channel (aka the BEEB) has kept up the pressure, spouting all manner of nonsense (as is their wont).
    Newspapers provide a daily drip feed of drivel, none more so then, alas! – the DT, which because of its new(ish) owners being dick heads with no clue, are AGW consensus men, as is unsurprisingly (journo’s are mindless sheep) – it’s editorial line.

    So the best paper in Britain is part of the scam, only the Mail (and come to think of it the Express) now stand tall as a sceptical ‘proper’ organs of the fourth estate. It is worth noting that the Mail is also extremely Euro sceptical, the two go hand in hand, the DT has, since the Barclay’s takeover very much changed it’s stance on all major issues, scabby turncoats.

    It is a stitch up and all overseen by the AGW war machine in Bruxelles, this is why we should fire back and target the hornets nest, however must keep powder dry on that issue.
    It remains to be seen, on the question of a partial retreat of the UK however – not if the Lib dhimmis can help it, to them the AGW campaign is a holy crusade, they are more ‘gung ho’, than Lucas the loony and her mates at the Hadley centre, CRU and Greenpeace and WWF.

    It is interesting to also note that I am reading more often the line; “now that the CRU has been exonerated!” What a bunch of wankers planks – do they honestly think that anybody who is sentient/compos mentis – would believe the whitewash enquiries of Muir et al were anywhere near ‘kosher’? – Same in USA with Mann and Penn State Uni.

    Cancun, it is all to play for, we can put this to bed though (world agreement anyway the EU is a different matter) this time!

    “Now is not the time to let up!” – as our colleague and friend (Amerloque) in FRANCE often says.

    “Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
    Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
    To his full height.”

    Is another way of putting it, with thanks to one, a man born of Stratford upon Avon way.

  9. Locusts says:

    Here is a basic introduction to those of you who know less about China than you ought:
    By Monty Python.

  10. izen says:

    This does not address any of the sciencce associated with AGW theory, perhaps other sections do.
    But it does address a political, and perhaps moral aspect of the response to a perceived requitrement from the science to reduce CO2 emissions.

    While many here object to the limits on carbon emissions being proposed for the EU and the US, viewing them as damagingly stringent, that is not how they are viewed by others.
    The developing nations, China, the rest of Asia and S America, See nations emitting FAR more CO2 per person than they do trying to impose restrictions on the developing nations, but NOT appllying the same constraints upon themselves.

    China and others aspire to the quality of life and energy use of the West. That will require a massive increase in the amount of CO2 used per person, the ‘carbon footprint’ of a Chinese citizen is a fraction of that of an American, and the nation quite reasonably does not see why it should have to restrain its use until it equals the rate of use of the west – per person.
    China and the developing nations want FAR more stringent reductions in Western carbon use before they would regard constraints on their own use ethically just.

  11. Edward. says:

    izen says:
    August 11, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Oh give up will you luv?

  12. Locusts says:


    As you have guessed, this is the introduction to the book, and after that there are another 200 pages. I was aiming to translate all of it, but I ran out of beer.

  13. Pointman says:

    If there’s any content in Izen’s post, I can’t see it.


  14. suffolkboy says:

    @Pointman and @Edward.
    Great videos, though I wouldn’t say this is exactly “behind the scenes”. There is an infinite regress of scenes.

    It was interesting to compare what one sees of the actual negotiations here with what reported in the papers, especially about He Yafei’s role [1].

    However, he won’t be coming to the Mexico Party as he has been “promoted” to Minister in charge of paperclips, so perhaps the PRC will move to a pro-AGW stance even if it causes riots at home because of the economic upheaval though I assume they will cash in on the boost in their exports of solar cells and windmills. Cancun is a must-see.

    [1] (at 4:36)

  15. thendisnighnot says:

    I love the bits about what China “aspires to” and “wants” no uninformed assumptions there then!

  16. Pointman says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 11, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    He Yafei was speaking for the Chinese Government who were speaking for the developing countries. There was no doubt about that. The possibility of any multilateral agreement coming out of Cancun are even remoter, since nothing has changed on the geopolitical landscape.

    Since so many politicians came back from Copenhagen with egg all over their face, I also suspect there will be a lot less hype and hysteria at Cancun.


  17. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Well, it’s been quite a day.
    What have I missed?
    Ah, Locust’s periscope into Chinese thinking – most interesting.

    Didn’t somebody cite “living space” in 1939 as a reason for war?

    In this smokeless conflict, we sceptics have been drawing attention to the scientific/economic/political chicanery that has been perpetrated in the name of CAGW, with a cut & paste or a link to every new revelation of the exposure of the Hucksters, Fraudsters and Banksters involved in reducing our standard of living to the benefit of their off-shore bank accounts.

    So what now? After so much derision, arrogant dismissive scorn and claims that we are in the pay of Big Oil, our we now to be labeled as agents of the Third World, headed by China? In the name of the National Security of Energy Supplies will we all be rounded up and confined to a gulag for our re-education?

    More likely that the Juggernaut will simply proceed in its inevitable course to Perdition.

    How interesting that the butterfly is in China and its fluttering wings will cause “violent wind in Alaska that’ll envelop the American people in fire and water.” I would have Haarp as the butterfly being in Alaska, its wings causing havoc elsewhere. Maybe China has a few more strings to its own harp than we know.

    The author of Locust’s piece says “this is a war of life and death”.

    This is not an ambiguous statement. The whole essay gives reasons and justification for such a smokeless war. The author nominates Australia as being “forever guilty of double standards”, and condemns our “arrogance and selfishness”. If this author was not reflecting the views of the Chinese Govt his work would not have seen the light of day and probably, neither would he.

    China is currently the biggest buyer of our agricultural lands and high-end residential properties. They are currently the biggest buyers of our raw materials. Our entire economy currently hinges on Chinese investment and they are our biggest creditor – our level of debt is now generational. And they regard us as selfish arrogant “barbarians” who use the cheap labour of their people for our own profit, their people suffering the consequences of polluting industries so that we do not.

    Wasn’t it Churchill who said something like “Beware the sleeping Giant, lest he wakes”. It is we in the West stumbling about with our Eyes Wide Shut in a miasma of “Carbon Pollution”.

  18. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    izen says:
    August 11, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    ” it does address a political, and perhaps moral aspect of the response”

    Hang on Brewster, you aren’t going to get all mucky dipping your toe in those “muddy waters” are you.

    Brewster actually deigning to comment on the political and moral aspects of the AGW Fraud?

    Must be wearing those waders.

  19. Locusts says:


    It was…. drum roll…

    Napoleon Bonaparte!

    “Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world.”

  20. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Thanks Locusts,

    I rely on you guys to plug the gaps for me. Ta.

    Great job on your translation, pity you ran out of beer.

  21. fenbeagle says:

    izen says:
    August 11, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    …..’China and the developing nations want FAR more stringent reductions in Western carbon use before they would regard constraints on their own use ethically just.’

    …… Yes, I imagine they do.

  22. Locusts says:

    Great job on your translation,

    pity you ran out of beer.
    The shock when I found out was sobering!

  23. manonthemoor says:

    Thanks Locusts, you provide a view of Chinese thinking on AGW which would otherwise be hidden from us.

    You mentioned the book was on open sale, any idea at all how many copies have been sold and the type of person who would buy one.

    I have one extra question though.

    When is China going to deliver those EU approved toilet roll holders I ordered?

  24. Locusts says:


    As a foreigner and not a native speaker, or reader, i have severe tunnel vision in Chinese bookshops, so if the book is not somewhere prominent, I’m unlikely to spot it. There was another book in the same vein in a very small bookshop, also displayed prominently, so this topic may be in demand.

  25. meltemian says:


    Never mind the holders, have we got the spec’ for the EU Approved toilet paper itself yet? After all we obviously need guidance so we can avoid the pitfalls of increasing AGW/CC by buying or using the wrong sort.
    (I seem to have developed an “anal” complex haven’t I – must watch it)

  26. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    meltemian says:
    August 11, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    What about MOTM’s Toll – he’s going to install spend-a-penny parking metres

  27. manonthemoor says:

    Blackswan Tasmania
    August 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    The cunning Chinese have arranged the coin mech’s to ONLY accept Chinese coins or GOOD pound coins.

  28. Gail C. - NC USA says:

    Thank you for the translation Locust.

    I would like to point out to the Chinese that what they see as the “USA, EU, Canada & Australia” is actually the transnational corporations & Banksters busy raping not only the third world countries but their own “countries” too. The only loyalty those people have is to their own GREED. Beijing has opened her door to one of the worst of these: Maure Strong.

  29. manonthemoor says:

    Gail C. – NC USA
    August 12, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Welcome Gail C to Oz “Bar and Grill”, sit back and read awhile and relax.

    Much to read and enjoy, contributions from America are always welcome


  30. Locusts says:

    Gail C. – NC USA

    Thanks for reading! Your point accepted, I’ll try and do a little about my own opinions about this piece in the next couple of days.

  31. Locusts you got me on JD’s blog revenge will be mine.

  32. Old Toad says:

    Well done ‘locusts’ we are all in your debt. Glad to see James has picked up the baton, and to see you over there as well.
    I feel your revelations are equally as important to those of us who seek the truth, as the original ‘climategate’ ones were.

  33. Looks like JD has picked up the theme of your blog ozboy and is praising you or is that plagiarizing.

  34. Locusts says:


    Only joshing! Spent ages trying to find a picture of a man in a niqab for you, but my internet connexion is so slow….no joy!

  35. Locusts don’t mind all good fun.

  36. manonthemoor says:

    Welldone Locusts and OZ

    JD Blog in full

    What the Chinese really think of ‘Man Made Global Warming’

    By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: August 11th, 2010

    17 Comments Comment on this article

    One of the great lies told us by our political leaders in order to persuade us to accept their swingeing and pointless green taxes and their economically suicidal, environmentally vandalistic wind-farm building programmes is that if we don’t do it China will. Apparently, just waiting to be grabbed out there are these glittering, golden prizes marked “Green jobs” and “Green technologies” – and if only we can get there before those scary, mysterious Chinese do, well, maybe the West will enjoy just a few more years of economic hegemony before the BRICs nations thwack us into the long grass.

    This is, of course, utter nonsense. The Chinese do not remotely believe in the myth of Man-Made Global Warming nor in the efficacy of “alternative energy”. Why should they? It’s not as if there is any evidence for it. The only reason the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming myth has penetrated so deeply into Western culture is….No. I’m going to save that stuff for my fairly imminent (Nov?) book on the subject which I hope you’re all going to buy.

    What do the Chinese think about CAGW? Well, until now it was largely a question of educated guesswork, based on inferences like the fact that it was the Chinese who derailed the Copenhagen negotiations. But thanks to a new book called Low Carbon Plot by Gou Hongyang we know exactly what the official view is.

    Ozboy – one of the finest commenters in this parish as well as proprietor of the Liberty Gibbet website – sets the scene nicely:

    The argument [that China leads the world in renewable energy technology investment] rings a little hollow when you consider Beijing plans to build coal-fired power stations at the equivalent rate of one Australia, per year, for the next twenty-five years. The reputed Chinese fascination with renewable energy looks at best, a very long-term fallback position; at worst, a façade.

    That’s what makes what you’re about to read even more startling. It’s a book called Low Carbon Plot, by Gou Hongyang and, as it’s freely available in China’s government-controlled bookstores, carries Beijing’s nihil obstat. No English translation is currently available, but our own China correspondent, Locusts, has translated the introduction from the original Mandarin, and (not entirely without risk to himself) has asked me to make it publicly available on this forum. At four thousand words, it’s a little long to insert onto a blog page, but you can navigate to it from the Rare Scribblings menu option at the top, or just click here.

    It’s not so much an eye-opener as it is a bombshell. If true, it shows the Chinese government as rejecting CAGW in its entirety, believing it a conspiracy between Western governments and business to protect their own way of life, at the expense of the entire developing world—in other words, 80% of the world’s population.

    Ozboy does not exaggerate.

    Here, for example, is the author’s damning verdict on the Climate Change industry. Noting the irony of the spate of freezing cold weather that greeted the Copenhagen summit, the author wrily notes:

    It was as if the freezing cold winter was having a laugh at all of these “Global Warming” theories. If the world was warming at an ever quickening pace, as all of these environmentalists say, then whence from such extreme cold? Whenever there are any doubts about Global Warming, it is almost as though environmentalists turn everything around and claim that this is too, a result of Global Warming. The Greenhouse Effect has turned in to a big basket, no matter what bad thing it is, just chuck it in.

    He is even more damning about solar power in which, let it not be forgotten, China is supposed to be the world’s most shining example of just how well it can work.

    First, he neatly captures the wishy-washy, John-Clare-esque pastoral utopianism which drives greenies to throw commonsense out of the window and pursue “renewable energy” regardless of all the facts:

    Isn’t this the most beautiful thought possible, no pollution, everywhere is just greenery mountains and rivers, people won’t need to worry about coal mines collapsing, no need to worry about forests being chopped down, no need to worry about rising sea levels submerging island nations. It is as if, if only humanity could adopt clean energy, then all of our problems would be resolved with one sweep of the knife. But is the result really thus?

    There is a very real problem staring everybody in the face. Solar power, wind power, can they be implemented on a large scale? Can they provide large scale industries with enough electricity? Can they supply trains with the power to fly along the tracks?

    It is obvious, that the answer is in the negative.

    He then – rather daringly, I think – weighs into the environmental unsoundness of this supposedly clean energy source:

    Is solar power really clean? Investigations show that the base silicon that solar panels rely on is extracted via a energy intensive, heavily polluting industry. And where is this industry based? China.

    China has already become the world’s biggest photovoltaic industrial market. The most important ingredient in solar power is polycrystalline silicon. The efficiency of manufacturing the panels is rather low, and a lot of pollution is generated as a by-product. When local industries started producing polycrystalline silicon, they were mostly reliant on outdated technology. Apart from high energy consumption, for every ton of pure polycrystalline silicon created, there were also more than 8 tons of ammonium chlorid[adized] silcon as by-product, as well as [other shit that a cursory look at google translate doesn’t answer].

    The prosperity of China’s solar power industry, at the price of the environment of those rather weak distant regions, in order to attract commerce and investment, in order to collect tax revenue, very many environmental appraisal programmes have not yet been strictly implemented.

    Here is the author eloquently demolishing the Carbon = Poison meme:

    Will the increase in Carbon Dioxide definitely lead to the planet warming? Although there have been many many reports published by research institutes that verify this, but from the viewpoint of the history of man, and scientific method, the theories have not yet achieved scientific proof.

    But, after many years of repeated indoctrination from every kind of propaganda machine, and the mixing together of environmental pollution and the exhaustion of natural resources, people have already formed a conditioned reflex, when the wind blows, the grass bends with it, and quickly hang these things on the hook of “carbon”, and attempted to get rid of carbon at a faster rate. We need to start peeling, and get back to the real world, and cannot stick labels everywhere. “Carbon” is the same “carbon” it was before, we must not get in to too much of a fluster. It is with polluted water/effluent, acid rain, destructive logging and waste with which we must struggle over the long term.

    And here he is concluding that it is a fiendish plot – a new Cold War to all intents and purposes – by the West to suppress the economic growth of the BRICS nations.

    Behind the back of the demonizing of “carbon”, we must recognize that it is the sinister intention of the Developed Countries to attempt to use “carbon” to block the living space of the Developing Countries.

    There is only one Earth, natural resources are limited. If according to current technological conditions, and Developing Countries had the same living standard as Developed Countries, then we’d need at least 3 to 5 Earth’s to satisfy our apetites. This is what Developed Countries are most afraid of, the development of the Developing Countries poses an enormous threat to their way of lives.

    In 2008, the price of foodstuffs substantially increased, a certain President actually said that the primary reason was because suddenly, one day, 300 million Indians started to eat two bowls of rice, and one billion Chinese started to drink milk.

    In the eyes of some Westerners, the many developing countries have absolutely no right to enjoy the same standard of life as them.

    If we really are equal, are of one mind, and together protect the Earth – our garden, we really can see a beautiful utopia in the future. But the Developed countries do not in the slightest wish to take any responsibility, they have set up double standards over “carbon emissions”, everywhere reflecting their arrogance and selfishness.

    Behind “the Carbon Plot” is national interest, it is the bitter struggle for the right to existance for every country.

    At this time, we again see the struggle between two camps, Europe, the USA and other developed countries, and China, India, Brazil, and Russia as the representatives of the Developing Countries, owing to their common interest, now walking closely together.

    Personally, I think his conclusion says more about BRICs chippiness and paranioa than it does socio-political actualite. The CAGW scam owes much more to an attempted power grab by the left in order to achieve “environmentally” in the 21st century what it couldn’t achieve economically in the 20th Century, viz: total state control of the means of production, in the guise of ecological correctness.

    But it doesn’t really matter whether the author is right or wrong in what he thinks. What matters is simply that this IS how the Chinese think, which, whether you love China or loathe it is fantastically good news for those of us in the realist/sceptics camp. China, after all, is the world’s future dominant economic power and, this being so, it makes an absolute nonsense of attempts by the EU and the US to hamper our industrial growth by imposing on our economies eco-taxes and eco-regulations which the Chinese intend to ignore completely.

    This truth hasn’t hit home yet: not in the EU; not in the Cleggeron Coalition; not in Obama’s USA. Here’s my bet. The first to see sense on this will be whichever Republican administration takes over from Obama’s one-term presidency in 2012. From that point on – by which time we’ll have had two more exceptionally cold winters to concentrate our minds – British and European environmental policy will look increasingly foolish and irrelevant.

    Tags: china, disaster, Gou Hongyang, green jobs, Green technology, Low Carbon Plot, solar power

  37. Locusts says:

    Old Toad


  38. Robert of Ottawa says:

    Woouuwwcchh! Scorching!

    I particularly liked

    Underneath the flag of environmental protection, everything must stand to one side; anything with an opposing voice, quickly gets drowned in moralistic flem.

  39. DirkH says:

    Very good analysis by Gou Hongyang; thanks to Locusts for translating. Makes you wonder who’s the totalitarian regime now.

  40. Dr. Dave says:

    Hi folks!

    Here’s an interesting little tidbit about your new Prime Minister from today’s American Thinker:

  41. suffolkboy says:

    What has been unleashed here while I wasn’t looking? A coach load of link-tourists dropped off by the JD coach coming to gawp at the fantastic view of China looking back at us, with many more expected tomorrow. This “Bar and Grill”, previously a quiet room off the JD nightclub floor (but with comfy chairs and video and seminar room), is could get really busy and noisy for a few days, especially if the bouncers at JD’s get lively. Perhaps the tourists could start off here in the China room while the proprietor orders some emergency room extensions.

  42. manonthemoor says:

    August 12, 2010 at 3:36 am

    More room definitely, wonder what the DT masters think of JD’s effort?

    Will Locust make the Booker article now?

  43. MOTM JD’s masters probably don’t care as long as he is stuck in the blog dungeon and doesn’t get to see much daylight and they can always argue they allow free speech blah blah blah.

  44. Pointman says:

    Good grief, what’s happened? There’s a lot of new faces in the Bar & Grill tonight. Well, welcome one and all.

    Anyway, Al Gore’s complaining about the lack of coverage for AGW in the MSM …


  45. Ozboy says:

    Well, then! A little crowded in the front bar today, I see. I must write to James Delingpole and thank him for the recommendation.

    I see many first-time posters here today, whom I normally greet individually, but welcome one and all to LibertyGibbert, better known in these parts as Ozboy’s Bar and Grill. Make yourselves at home, grab a drink, pull up a chair by the fire and I’ll bring the nibblies around presently. Regulars, do make them welcome – Oz 😉

  46. Edward. says:


    A fine piece of work, I have said this before and I now say it again.

    “Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage.”

    We must all do what is right.

  47. Amerloque says:

    Hi All !

    Amerloque has returned from a short August break and is pleasantly surprised to find several weighty threads and a plethora of wonderful comments. Wonderful, indeed !

    Now, of course, it only remains for him to decide _which_ comments to _which_ posts by Oz have struck the more resonant chords with him: there are many, many. Several times Amerloque burst into gales of laughter at the attempts by the resident troll (“izen”, natch) to “explain” the “science” of AGW to us, rejectionists all (a word far more preferable to ‘deniers’, n’est-ce pas ?). The comments izen harvested in return are/were worth their weight in gold. (wide grin).

    So … we now apparently have several females aboard. Welcome, ladies ! (If all of you are indeed females – remember that “on the internet no one knows that you are a dog”, as they say, so for the moment suffice it to say that “it’s only ones and zeros”. Having been paid for his writings under a Hispanic-sounding female nom de plume”; Amerloque knows whereof he speaks).

    Excellent work, Locusts, and thank you, Ozboy.

    As you surmise, the blog will quite busy soon, if JD’s latest effort in anything to go by. One commenter, a certain ‘bufo75’, has even written:

    /// Please everybody, click the ‘here’ on James’s piece and read the WHOLE article (and then read it again). These views of Gou Hongyang are so important that they must not be ignored. The release of this information is as important as the release of the original ‘climategate’ files and will have as much impact.///

    It goes without saying that the ‘here’ above is, well, ‘here’. (grin)

    So (Hi Edward !) …

    Manmade global warming”, aka AGW, is a quasi-religious cult based on junk science, selective cognition and magical thinking. It is a scientific, intellectual, political, financial and moral scam. The climate has been changing for millions upon millions of years.

    Now is not the time to let up !

    Amerloque 20100811 Paris time (CET)

    G’day mon ami – good to see you back. As you’ve noticed, we’re a little busy today, but Amerloque’s regular seat by the fire is reserved, as always. Have one on the house – Oz

  48. Pointman says:


    “Now is not the time to let up !”

    Your battle cry will be inscribed on the mausoleum of AGW! Where were your vacances?


  49. pointman that’s bit generous building them a bloomin monument.

  50. Pointman says:


    They’re under it. They insisted they were alive at the time but we ignored them and kept digging. We all know what a bunch of liars they were. The big stone thingy on top is just a belt and braces precaution (as in principle).


  51. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Amerloque @ 5.18am

    “on the internet no one knows that you are a dog”

    Woof, woof. I’ve been sprung! Grrrr…….

  52. Pointman that is a really good idea it’s really nice of them to keep on making the hole they are in deeper.

  53. Pointman says:

    Confucious say – when you hear screams from tomb, wise man walk away, foolish man digs.


  54. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Gail C. – NC USA says:
    August 12, 2010 at 12:39 am

    “Beijing has opened her door to one of the worst of these: Maure Strong.”

    G’day Gail,

    Welcome to the Bar & Grill in Tasmania. Freezing winter here so an open fire is blazing. Pull up a chair and stay-a-while.

    Your reminder of Maurice Strong in Beijing is significant. Maybe they operate on the wise principle of “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”……lol

    Just imagine, there’s old Maurie in his high-walled luxury compound thinking he escaped Western justice for ripping off the UN and all the while his Chinese “hosts” consider him to be under House Arrest. Brilliant. You really couldn’t make it up.

  55. Locusts says:

    And another one:

    Confucius says “man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.”

  56. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    August 12, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Hi Dr Dave, good to see you back.

    Let me run this by you………….

    A middle-aged Socialist/Marxist/Fabian Spinster, never married, no kids, currently “shacked-up” with her hairdresser, after an open 2-year affair with a Govt Cabinet colleague who was married with three children, gets to be Head of Government.

    As your American Thinker link observes – ” it isn’t just her hair that is red”.

    As observed by several women callers to local talk-back radio, the TV appearances of current PM on the day she challenged PM KRudd for the job, showed she was sporting a half-inch of mousy brown regrowth on the roots of her “red” hair. At taxpayers’ expense, that night she flew from Canberra to her home in Melbourne (broomstick not involved) and returned next morning to claim the top job, sporting a head of hair in a new deep glowing red. Also at taxpayer expense, the “hairdresser” is now on her whistle-stop pre-election sojourn around the country.

    If somebody proposed the above scenario most people would say, “Nah, you made it up”.

  57. manonthemoor says:

    Blackswan Tasmania
    August 12, 2010 at 6:51 am

    Sounds like the next hair change colour will be green. green with envy when Tony Abbott makes the grade as PM, then moves out from the control of his handlers

  58. Blackswan you saying the drapes don’t match the curtains.

  59. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 12, 2010 at 6:51 am

    Swanny, is the hairdresser on the payroll or is it a payment in kind thing? The answer is important, you know. It could give a whole new meaning to payroll …


  60. Dr. Dave says:

    Hi Blackswan!

    Uhhh…G’Day…I guess it’s tomorrow morning there. I have to admit, I was a bit shocked that Australia could select an even bigger socialist than the USA has. I’m sure Bamy can’t wait to get all warm and cuddly with your new PM.

    Of course our leftist media completely ignored Obama’s socialist history prior to the 2008 elections. Now, it’s not so much his history as his present that is making everyone nervous. If the political winds don’t shift we’re poised on the cusp of a Republican/conservative rout this November.

    We have a good chance of cutting the legs out from underneath King Barack this November and a better than even money chance of defeating him in 2012. I believe ya’ll have a major election looming later this month. What are your prospects of regaining control over your own country?


    P.S. I LOVE the publicity this site is getting at Delingpole and WUWT!

  61. Pointman says:

    Crown, does this ‘tipping’ have a connection to Guam?


  62. suffolkboy says:

    Willis’s Kathmandu de-tweaking

    The 100year record GISS data for Durham UK seems to be have been tweaked in some way. It’s not quite the same tweak as Kathmandu (which was altered to show an impressively high rate of temperature increase). It seems to go up in the middle, but unchanged at both ends. Durham is a continuous record. I shall do a proper spreadsheet study later rather than eyeballing the graphs. Some UK stations remain untweaked.

    Studying the “homogenisation” using Willis’s technique is straightforward. It is even more vivid if you then use your browser to “Open image in new tab” on the “before” and “after” images and then toggle between the tabs, because the axes co-incide, giving instant before and after comparison.


  63. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Dave,
    The time stamps on your posts tell you the time here – it’s a cold rainy blustery morning. Just as well Ozboy keeps the wood-fire

    Opposition Leader Abbott is looking stronger here each day – we live in hope.
    Good luck to you in November.

  64. This is from luciebell commenting…
    “James Lovelock believed in 1991 that the whole Greenland ice mass might become unstable with melt water lubricating the contact between the ice and the underlieing bed rock and the whole lot could slip off. The tsunami alone following such an event would be quite spectacular. I’m not sure what current glaciological thinking is on this idea, but he predicted it happening within “15 to 50 years”, ie after 2005.”

    Oh I despair as the Greenland ice sheet a) sits in a gigantic bowl surrounded by mountains b) will take a few thousand years to melt c) such a loss would shut down the Atlantic conveyor system triggering a new ice age.

  65. pointman yes I heard about that never saw it though, an IQ of what do you reckon 60 or less?

  66. manonthemoor says:

    Dr. Dave
    August 12, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Oz and other have worked hard to make this the best site for up to date info, together with natural fun, with almost no moderation.

    The China translations from the book are just the latest of good informative posts.

    If you have any personal stories which relate to your part of USA be they climate, politics or financial your posts will be welcome. Oz also accepts word files for his top bar and I believe he may also consider more guest posts as provided by MV.

    The posts and watchers on this site are increasing geometrically at this time, and everyone has an opportunity to contribute to history.

  67. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Crown, Pointy…Hi

    The collar and cuffs definitely don’t match.

    Maybe the hairdresser is just listed as another “Member’s Expense” or is that the other way around – I’m all

    He also gets to drive the PM’s taxpayer-funded private car, copping speeding fines and running red lights. Why we are still funding her Camry when she has Govt limos on tap, I’ll never know.

  68. Dr. Dave says:


    This was given as Congressional testimony today? Geez…I hope they spoke slowly and used small words. Let me ask this. Isn’t it ADVANCING glaciers that calf? The esteemed Dr. John Christy of UAH once noted that given the choice, most humans would rather live during a time of retreating glaciers rather than advancing glaciers.

    The Guardian is almost like a comic book.

  69. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    August 12, 2010 at 7:31 am

    “The Guardian is almost like a comic book.” – I take great exception to your use of the word ‘almost’ as a qualifier with respect to the Guardian’s comic book status. Most of us here have been banned from posting at the Guardian and are justifiably proud of it. It’s like a purple heart you have to have before Ozboy will let you into the Bar & Grill.

    There’s nothing so intolerant as a liberal newspaper.


  70. suffolkboy says:

    @suffolkboy said at August 12, 2010 at 7:19 am:

    I shall do a proper spreadsheet study later…

    Willis’s Kathmandu de-tweaking technique applied to Durham UK

    I have done the spreadsheet work, rather superficially, using only the “metANN” column.
    The “correction” applied seems to be two exact straight lines. From 1880 to 1920 the correction is a steady increase from zero in 1880 to +0.5 in 1920. Then a steady decrease from 0.5 in 1920 back to 0 in 1980. WTF? Weird. It’s like two Darwin NT records back to back with the second reversed left-to-right. There may be an plausible explanation but I don’t know what it might be.

  71. Blackswan is she one of the captn’s ladies?

  72. Dr Dave our congress never ceases to amuse us all they are best and brightest.

  73. Suffolkboy are you talking Durham UK as in the city, I can tell you from experience it’s all mild winters relatively except up on the Pennines and moderate summers rarely if ever gets above 28C even in a hot year.

  74. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Don’t know about that – I suppose it’s just a case of “whatever it takes” to get what she wants.

  75. suffolkboy says:

    Willis’s technique is fun to do, but I don’t trust myself to do it correctly or interpret the results correctly. However, here is another one anyway before I fall asleep:
    Bournemouth UK

    Looks like all the temperatures from 1960 to 1987 (presumably a different site or change of instrument) were tweaked downwards by 0.1 degree to make the 1987 point match up on the two segments.

  76. Dr. Dave says:


    A thousand apologies, Sir! How’s this…”the Guardian is EXACTLY like a comic book”. I shall have to learn to tread lightly on foreign soil. Actually we in the US wear banning on certain sites as a badge of honor (or honour, ir you prefer). Nothing elevates one’s status like being banned from commenting on RealClimate. On some sites we get into literary fist fights with climate trolls just for sport.

    As a gesture of goodwill I’m extending an offer to any libertygibbertarians who visit the US to look me up. I’ll take you out shooting some huge caliber handguns (e.g. .44 mag, .41 mag and S&W 460 mag)…then we’ll drink beer.

  77. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    August 12, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Dave, Have you been wandering around the Bar & Grill? If you go up top of the page you’ll find Rare Scribblings. On there you will find various literary efforts of Bar Patrons, one of whom is Pointman.

    Pointy has most graciously made us a gift of installments of a (so far) unpublished novel he’s written. If you have some spare time, grab a beer and settle down for a great read.

    Ozboy has tapped into some great talent in the blogosphere. Maybe you also could make some contribution.

    Also, check out the brilliance of Fenbeagle’s artwork on Scribblings, guaranteed to brighten any day. We love him.

  78. Dr. Dave says:


    I wanted to point out that it’s about 4:15PM (yesterday) here. The outside temp is about 85 degrees F (about 30 degrees C), the humidity is about 15% and there’s wall to wall sunshine. I live in the high mountains of northern New Mexico at about 7,000 ft above sea level (about 2,100 meters…or metres if you prefer). The altitude and the southern latitude combine to moderate the temperature here. We usually get a few days of very hot weather in June (above 38 degrees C) and some very cold nights in January (around -26 degrees C), but most of the year it is quite temperate.

    Sometime soon I will bore you with stupid questions about wildlife in OZ. Like…just how abundant are kangaroos? This sounds like an idiot question, but trust me, the average American has no clue.


    They’re in plague proportions down this way, Dave (many varieties and sizes). My back yard is covered in droppings every morning – Oz

  79. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    August 12, 2010 at 8:34 am

    You live in high mountains? You lucky devil. I’m here at night in cloud obscured Europe hoping to catch a good preview of the Pleiades. Never mind, the main show is tomorrow night anyway. Fingers crossed.


  80. suffolkboy says:

    crownarmourer asked on August 12, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Suffolkboy are you talking Durham UK as in the city….

    I sure am. I notice that the tweaks added are always an exact multiple of 0.1 degrees, so you get a few years with 0.1 added, then 0.2 for a bit and so on, rather than the “steady increase” I mentioned first time. So the correction graph looks like an elevation view of a ziggurat or two staircases.

    At a quick glance Felixstowe (Suffolk, coastal) is barely altered; Hay-on-Wye (small town in rural Wales) is not touched at all. Average winter temperature 1881..1981 = 2.5 deg C, summer 14.2 average rate of increase = 0.2 deg/century.

  81. suffolkboy says:

    The temperatures I just put up were for Durham UK, not for the other places e.g. Felixstowe.

  82. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    I might be able to offer an overview of Aussie wildlife – my Dad was a National Parks Ranger in the Northern Territory so I’ve spent some time about the place.

    As for kangaroos, this island State has different ones from the mainland. We have large grey Forrester ‘roos in more northern areas of Tasmania and very numerous smaller wallabies everywhere. A forest walk anywhere here will encounter a shy wallaby or two but unfortunately we see most of them as roadkill. A real shame.

    On the mainland there are average-size Eastern Greys and wallabies all over the bush, but further inland we have really big Red (Old Man) ‘Roos, the males are really big barrel-chested buggers with heavily muscled forearms (Arnie would be jealous) that stand about seven feet tall, their hind legs have a single large claw. In combat, they can prop themselves back on their tail, grab their adversary (such as a dog or wild dingo) to their chest and rake that claw down the belly – it’s all over. A cranky Big Red is not something you’d want to tangle with. Take a look here……

    I lived in Canberra the National Capital for a number of years (it used to be good sheep country before they buggered it up with Politicians) and all around the district kangaroos are in plague proportions, to the extent that Govt has culled them. Sheep farmers (graziers) don’t like them because they compete with sheep for pastures and big mobs of them (not herds) in flight can smash down fencing and cause a lot of damage.

    Some country people have raised them as pets (you need a permit to keep native animals) but that is uncommon.

    The Australian Coat of Arms features a Kangaroo and an Emu (large ostrich-like bird) and neither animal is capable of taking a backward step. Maybe that says something about the Aussie character….LOL

    Bar & Grill patrons know I like a bit of a chat, so I hope I haven’t bored you.

  83. Dr. Dave says:


    Do you know that there are regulations that prohibit the sale of any product made from kangaroo hide in some states in the US? I once ordered a pair of hiking boots made of kangaroo. Man…they were sweet, but a little too small. I haven’t been able to find another pair. Our eco-geeks have seen to that. Where I live the big wildlife problems are coyotes (a kinder, gentler version of a dingo I suppose). They range through the neighborhood with relative impunity. The other day I remarked to my girlfriend that I saw a kittycat. This is actually unusual where I live because the owls and coyotes decimate domestic cat populations. We had quite a problem with rabbits a few years back which prompted me to buy a scoped pellet gun. We nailed about a dozen rabbits the first year and then the great horned owls moved in. No more bunny problems.

    The coyotes don’t bother me. My dogs are a couple of Golden Retrievers and they think barking coyotes away is great sport. But we have dratted ground squirrels and pocket gophers. My girlfriend has become an expert gopher getter. She’s killed 26 so far this summer with traps. She has violent bloodlust for squirrels. If she ever draws a bead on a squirrel its time on Earth is over.

    But I always wondered about ‘roos. Seems like they would make an excellent source of dogfood and leather. Mind you, they’re “exotic” animals by American standards. We only have one native marsupial, the opossum, and nobody thinks twice about killing these vermin. Maybe “Skippy” changed everything. In the US we slaughter millions of head of cattle and hogs every year and think nothing of it. Why are we so squeamish about Australian kangaroos?


  84. mrsmv says:

    Mr MV just sent this to me from the salt mines:

    The relevant question is on elections. The others are just for laughs:

    The following questions were set in last year’s GED examination
    These are genuine answers (from 16 year olds)…………and they WILL breed.

    Q. Name the four seasons
    A. Salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar

    Q. Explain one of the processes by which water can be made safe to drink
    A. Flirtation makes water safe to drink because it removes large pollutants like grit, sand, dead sheep and canoeists

    Q. How is dew formed
    A. The sun shines down on the leaves and makes them perspire

    Q. What causes the tides in the oceans
    A. The tides are a fight between the earth and the moon. All water tends to flow towards the moon, because there is no water on the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins the fight

    Q. What guarantees may a mortgage company insist on
    A. If you are buying a house they will insist that you are well endowed

    Q. In a democratic society, how important are elections
    A. Very important. Sex can only happen when a male gets an election

    Q. What are steroids
    A. Things for keeping carpets still on the stairs (Shoot yourself now , there is little hope)

    Q.. What happens to your body as you age
    A. When you get old, so do your bowels and you get intercontinental

    Q. What happens to a boy when he reaches puberty
    A. He says goodbye to his boyhood and looks forward to his adultery (So true)

    Q. Name a major disease associated with cigarettes
    A. Premature death

    Q. What is artificial insemination
    A. When the farmer does it to the bull instead of the cow

    Q. How can you delay milk turning sour
    A. Keep it in the cow (Simple, but brilliant)

    Q. How are the main 20 parts of the body categorised (e.g. The abdomen)
    A. The body is consisted into 3 parts – the brainium, the borax and the abdominal cavity. The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs and the abdominal cavity contains the five bowels: A, E, I,O,U.. (wtf!)

    Q. What is the fibula?
    A. A small lie

    Q. What does ‘varicose’ mean?
    A. Nearby

    Q. What is the most common form of birth control
    A. Most people prevent contraception by wearing a condominium (That would work)

    Q. Give the meaning of the term ‘Caesarean section’
    A. The caesarean section is a district in Downtown Rome

    Q. What is a seizure?
    A. A Roman Emperor. (Julius Seizure, I came, I saw, I had a fit)

    Q. What is a terminal illness
    A. When you are sick at the airport. (Irrefutable)

    Q. Give an example of a fungus. What is a characteristic feature?
    A. Mushrooms. They always grow in damp places and they look like umbrellas

    Q. Use the word ‘judicious’ in a sentence to show you understand its meaning
    A. Hands that judicious can be soft as your face. (OMG)

    Q. What does the word ‘benign’ mean?
    A. Benign is what you will be after you be eight (brilliant)

    Q. What is a turbine?
    A. Something an Arab or Shreik wears on his head

  85. rastech says:

    “They’re in plague proportions down this way, Dave ”

    Sorry to hear things are still out of control with them Oz. I nearly headed your way on contract some years back now, to help thin out the kangaroos, camels, and wild horses.

    Other stuff got in the way, unfortunately.

    G’day ras, long time no see. Jeez, everyone’s turning up today!

    We’re making good use of your forum btw. Many thanks again for bringing it into existence – Oz

  86. Suffolkboy reguardless of tweaks in the Durham dataset you can see the rough25-30 year warming and cooling trends.

  87. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    I thought of something else. Kangaroos have a life-cycle that is unique and the subject of much study.

    A female ‘roo gives birth to a tiny jelly-bean sized embryonic creature with just two tiny “arms” and it crawls up the mother’s fur and into her pouch where it fastens onto a teat and continues its development. The weird thing is, she can be pregnant, have that little jelly bean on a teat, another larger furred “joey” in her pouch still suckling on another teat and yet another ex-pouch little one “at foot” so to speak.

    Even more weird, and subject of those studies, is the fact that in times of our infamous cyclic droughts (nothing to do with, when feed is scarce, she can actually put her pregnancy on “hold” and (I think) the in-pouch development, then kick-start it all again when the rains return.

    You can buy ‘roo/wallaby meat in some supermarkets these days, highly recommended for its lean healthy qualities, it’s extensively used in the dog food industry and hides are used for all sorts of things. I think in the USA that PETA has a bit too much to say about what we do in this respect. I think it’s just the furry/pretty eyes syndrome as in baby seals, polar bears and pandas. If ‘roos were ugly buggers they wouldn’t give a toss.


  88. rastech says:

    “We’re making good use of your forum btw.”

    Oh pleased to hear it Oz. If you come across any forum plugins that you think might be useful. send me an e-mail and I’ll try and get it sorted.

    I still might not be around much for a while, until after I manage to get a decent long break in some dry heat, anyway.

    You’ll never guess, I ran into one of those ‘Sherlock Specials’ a few days ago.

    Yep, an ‘Oxford set’ chronically overqualified lesbian fabian fascist.

    The most intelligently stupid woman I have ever met.

    Spent the whole evening talking to her, and she’s off to the USA for 2 years of even more ‘Education’.

    I strongly advised a CCW course while there, and things then turned hilarious. 🙂

    Definitely a ‘Post Normalist’ vs me the ‘Redneck’! I took the piss all evening and she didn’t twig! LMAO!

    Bloody beauty ras – here, have one on the house – Oz

  89. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    mrsmv says:
    August 12, 2010 at 9:34 am

    G’day Mrs M,

    Great piece for a great laugh. Has anyone considered these 16 year olds are just taking the p*ss out of their teachers? Nah, if only that were true.

  90. rastech says:

    ” Has anyone considered these 16 year olds are just taking the p*ss out of their teachers? Nah, if only that were true.”

    After my return to higher education a few years back, I can confirm the young uns are a darned sight smarter and more clued up than those trying to dumb them down can possibly appreciate.

    They were an absolute joy and an honour to be on the course with. *thumbs up*

  91. Amanda says:

    Amerloque: Cough: so let me guess: the 1s are male and the 0s are female? Bit graphic, isn’t it?

    Anyway, when you say that on the Internet you could be a dog — I for one *have* been. Well me avatar has been, anyway. Dogs are very popular on the Internet. Just ask Fenbeagle.

  92. Dr. Dave says:


    Where in Europe are you held hostage? I’ve lived all over the States and once I found Santa Fe I figured it was time to stop and put down roots. I love it here despite the fact that the place is overrun with brain dead liberals.

    I actually wish I was more into astronomy. This is a perfect place for it; high, dry and very little ambient light. I’ve seen the most amazing night skies I’ve ever seen since I’ve lived here. Shucks…we even have centuries old cathedrals here.


  93. Amanda says:

    Ozboy at 4:44: You’re wonderful.

  94. Amanda says:

    This is a perfect place for it; high, dry and very little ambient light. I’ve seen the most amazing night skies I’ve ever seen since I’ve lived here. Shucks…we even have centuries old cathedrals here.

    Dave, that sounds wonderful. I’d get myself a telescope toute suite if I lived there.

  95. Dr Dave I must object to your annihilation of our furry brethren, PETA has asked to show you these educational movies.


  96. Amanda says:

    Pointman at 8:42: Tell us what you saw. And even where you are…

  97. Ozboy says:

    Hey crown, I’m short-staffed in here… jump the bar and give me a hand, there’s a good bloke 😉

  98. Ozboy no problem my bar days it seems are not over.

  99. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    rastech says:
    August 12, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Hi Ras,

    Remembering back to when my son was a 16 year old, he and his mates had entirely “disengaged” from the whole process. They used to sit around our kitchen table from when they were 12 yos building computers out of a box full of “bits”. Their high school IT teachers were useless and used to ask the kids how to operate their CAD programs.

    He would have taken great delight in putting dumb answers down to stupid questions.
    For example, his year 10 English assignment was a book report on “Educating Rita” as his teacher thought young boys should be able to empathise with the tribulations of a middle-aged woman. Prat.

    With raging hormones and lots of “showing-off” for the co-ed class, he and his mates would have competed for “smart-arse” brownie points.

  100. Rastech “Sherlock specials” perfect euphemism to be used from now on when referring to women of the dykey persuasion we should be able to get round the mods on the DT.

  101. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    August 12, 2010 at 10:12 am

    “Where in Europe are you held hostage?” – Between posts, I’m laying in my garden tucked into a sleeping bag taking occasional pulls from a bottle of Jamesons via a straw contraption and hoping for a break in the clouds. Things are not looking too good at the moment. I’ll “endeavour to persevere” for while …


  102. rastech says:

    “I actually wish I was more into astronomy. ”

    Go for it Dave!

    It doesn’t have to be expensive to get some terrific views. I have one of those Synta made 120mm Short tubed refractors (a Skywatcher ST120). Brilliant for nebula and DSO spotting (got the Triangulum Galaxy, Andromeda Nebula. Double Cluster, Triffid Nebula, Lagoon Nebula, etc., last night with it). My most used eyepiece is a cheap Antares wide angle 20mm erfle design, for 30 x magnification, and it gives good views. I use a cheap Skywatcher Light Pollution filter to help contrast on a nebula, and also a recently added Castell Ultra High Contrast filter which is very effective for some as well.

    There’s some excellent value 15 x 70 binoculars around which are suitable too. I got dad a pair of Revelation ones for his birthday, and we tried them last night. Could see the moons of Jupiter with them (!), and some nice detail on Deep Space Objects (including nebulae). Brilliant for under £50 delivered, fully multicoated, properly polished to the edge lenses, and with Bak9 prisms. The Celestron ones (same bins made in the same factory) are on offer here in the UK through August at the same price too.

    There’s a lot of people that have a great time stargazing with just binoculars Dave . . . . .

  103. rastech says:

    PS there’s a fantastic free bit of software called Stellarium that helps to find your way around the night sky.

  104. rastech says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 12, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Aye there’s great hope for the species yet, hehe. *grins*

  105. Pointman says:

    mrsmv says:
    August 12, 2010 at 9:34 am

    One for your collection.

    Q. What are Hormones?
    A. Noises from a brothel.


  106. rastech says:

    Ok as I mentioned these binoculars, here’s a link to an outstanding Company (my only connection is as a customer) that’s doing this August deal on Celestron 15 x 70’s.

    They are very helpful, have a speedy and efficient service, and for the UK, their prices are competitive

    I think they have about 8 pairs left at the moment, and can possibly get more.

    They unpack each pair, and check that the collimation is ok (which can go out if there’s some uncareful handling with delivery over such long distances) before shipping them on.

  107. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Tell the truth Pointy,

    You’ve got a pair of those flying squirrels in the bottom of your sleeping bag as foot-warmers.

  108. rastech says:

    Shame can’t edit, it’s bak4 prisms and not bak9. lol

    Head’s not right still, ho hum.

  109. rastech says:

    Hiya Pointy, Perseids should be good 4 days prior and 4 days post peak.

    They were rather disappointing last night, only saw 6 in about 5 hours.

    Luckily there was plenty of other great stuff to get a view of. I managed to get some great views of Jupiter and 4 moons at 150 x mag with an 8mm Baader Hyperion Barlowed 2 x. Despite the atmosphere ‘wibble’, I got a few brief glimpses of banding, thanks to using a Polarising filter.

    Then the dewing got too bad and it was time to call it a night.

    Must get a heater for the dew shield.

    Hopefully things clear up for the next couple of nights. It’s been difficult viewing since mid-March, with all that haze from volcanic ash blocking out any chance of spotting a nebula, then lots and lots of cloud preventing any viewing at all.

    The ash seems to be thinning out now as the nebulae are becoming visible again (which is cheering me up no end). Hopefully in a few months everything will be truly magical views again.

  110. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 12, 2010 at 10:47 am

    To tell the truth Swanny, I can feel their beady eyes on me as I lay here in the darkness. It’s a little bit scary. I beam nasty thoughts back at them and it seems to help. I’m telling them that I’m working on even nastier ISDs and have another sip. I watch for shooting stars and contemplate their doom …


  111. Dr. Dave says:

    Damn! Now I have to invest in a telescope. Hmmm…perhaps I should explain that the night time summer air here smells as if it has been perfumed. High mountains, wildflowers and all that. The thing is, I bet it is beautiful anywhere you live. One has to bloom where one in planted.

    I grew up in the forested midwest of the USA. I spent a little over 10 years in the high plains of West Texas. I have severe astigmatism so I wear hard contact lenses. In Amarillo, Texas the wind blows incessantly. Amarillo has some of the cleanest air in the country…if you don’t count the chunks. It was tens years of blinking crap out of your eyes and smelling the feed lots. But I had a big house built into the side of a canyon so it didn’t seem so bad…until I moved away.

    It doesn’t matter where in the world you live. It will always have its unique charms and its unique drawbacks. What we all should be fighting for is LIBERTY.

    I apologize to regulars of this site if I ask too many stupid questions (i.e. kangaroos) but I’m just trying to understand a global world in context. I have to say, this is the friendliest, most welcoming site I’ve ever encountered.


  112. Amanda says:

    Pointman: Watch those buggers — they like brandy!

  113. Amanda it’s worse they are flying squirrels and they like whiskey.

  114. I once saw the Perseid meteor shower down in Cornwall back in the 70’s no sky pollution, it was excellent shooting star after shooting star ever since then just the occasional one. Growing up we were lucky as we got to see lots of passing Russian satellites. Used to have the odd Vulcan bomber go overhead fairly low at night.

  115. Amanda says:

    Crown, you’re making me envious. Mind you, ANY night sky not ruined by earthly lights would be lovely to see at this point….

  116. Amanda yes it would be but I do know of another place in Northumbria near Alnmouth where you see skies with no light pollution although it takes a little walk along the beach.

    Here is a link to a blog from somebody explains how bad the climate computer models are…

  117. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Just got home and turned on ABC TV Debate at the National Press Club.

    Opposition Deputy Julie Bishop just said she was talking to a member of the Chinese Govt recently who commented that “Australia is very good at doing Feasibility Studies. In China we are very good at building Ports and Railways”.

    Says it all really.

    She is also saying that if our Afghanistan Forces were put at risk by Wikileaks, a Liberal Govt would certainly “take action” against them. What that “action” might be was not forthcoming.

  118. Blackswan it’s real easy to build a port or railway if you don’t care about property rights or the environment and have to make remedial measures because of that. Also they are like the USA in the 19th century a lot of railways were badly built with lots of disasters and bridges failed quite often.

  119. mrsmv says:


    Haven’t you seen China’s latest train and rail system?

  120. mrsmv yes they have built some impressive high speed lines but even chinese engineers will admit they usually build to a lower standard expect a lot of train wrecks. The three gorges dam is even showing cracks.

  121. mrsmv over time they will develop the needed skills and safety standards to build better and safer.

  122. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    All you say is true, but it’s more of a mindset than anything.

    KRudd has already circumvented our Constitution guaranteeing “Just Compensation” for owners of private property in such circumstances. He has implemented the UN’s Agenda 21 “Sustainable Land Use” Provisions by declaring hundreds of rural properties “Carbon Sinks” preventing any clearing, even of regrowth in previously cleared farms, without any compensation whatsoever. Just sent ’em broke. Stiff.

    There was a time in this country when massive hydro-electric schemes were built, changing the course of rivers and building tunnels through mountain ranges to give us the cleanest electricity generation possible. We used to be a Can-Do nation. Now we’re a Please-May-We-if You-Don’t-Mind sort of place.

    It all started in 1983 when Green Senator Brown, with pleas to his Labor mates, stopped the building of the remote wilderness Franklin Dam for hydro-power in Tasmania which would have given us Energy independence. Now we have to have a coal-fired plant to achieve our base-load and they want to close it anyway.

    It’s about doing it, not never-ending talking about it.

  123. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Mrs MV,

    Great link on the railway. We were living in Canberra when Labor Premier Bob Carr announced the construction of a high-speed rail link to Sydney via Wollongong – a 3 hour drive reduced to less than an hour sort-of-thing.

    That was about 15 years ago. Still no train and they’ve given up even mentioning it.

  124. Sharon says:


    New here. Stumbled on your blog from a link on Delingpole’s blog. Been curious about this scam for a couple of years as I couldn’t understand the logic as one big volcano tosses out more carbon than mere human activity and thus far, eruptions are out of human control- at least the prevention thereof. Therefore, I decided to look at it from the money angle. I still can’t figure out how Maurice Strong became so powerful and influential. Also wonder about the purchase of the Climate Exchange mechanism by Franklin Raines, the Freddie Mac crook, who successfully cooked the books to boost his bonus into the stratosphere. The mechanism has nothing to do with houses, but maybe a way to bail out the massive financial losses due to the vile CRA [Community Reinvestment Act] loans to those who were better off renting?

    One thing you might not be aware of, Ozboy, is the US has boatloads of hydrocarbons and the Marcellus shale areas in the Appalachian Mountains provide the most cost effective prospect, according to Deutsch Bank. is branching out from it’s normal political sphere and is gearing up to vilify the fracking process. Coincidentally, a movie, along the lines of a typical Michael Moore film, was recently released illustrating the ‘evils’ of the process. is a Soros operation and George has loads of Petrobras stock and shares in Oil Sands companies. Cheap shale gas does NOT work for his investment portfolio, IMHO.

    Seems that many of these financial circles tie together and I’ve enjoyed expanding my understanding with the excellent translation posted by Locust.

    Glass of wine is calling…


    G’day Sharon; a very warm welcome to LibertyGibbert.

    You’ve found us on a rather busy day, but do feel free to drop by anytime; we’re always open – Oz

  125. Welcome Sharon.
    Blackswan…yes the real rot started back in the 60’s with communist sponsored green movements and the anti nuclear crowd. You would have thought they figured out the USSR is gone by now.

  126. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Sharon,

    Nice that you found us at Oz boy’s Bar & Grill.

    When we all get a bit jaded trading links and information on AGW, not to mention giving a verbal smacking to Climate Change Hysterics, we break out and have some fun, discussing all sorts of mad stuff (last thread it was squirrel pie recipes for no sane reason) and there are some surprisingly talented authors, artists, amateur astronomers, geologists etc etc.

    So pull up a chair in front of the fire (winter in Australia) and meet some interesting Climate Change Realists.


  127. suffolkboy says:

    Qinghai-Tibet Railway not to be affected by global warming
    Yao Tandong writes:
    “According to the current pace of global warming, the plateau’s temperature would rise 2.5 Celsius degree around 2050 from the end of 20th century,” Yao said on the sidelines of the annual parliamentary session.”

    He said the railway was built to allow a 2-3 Celsius degree temperature rise through measures including fixing ventilators under the railway and installing equipment producing cooling air to prevent thawing of tundra.”

    I suppose if the temperature turns out not to go up by 2-3 K he can always flog the ventilators and coolers on eBay.

  128. suffolkboy says:

    mrsmv said: August 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Haven’t you seen China’s latest train and rail system?

    But did you see the Mark I?

    (taken from

  129. suffolkboy says:

    So to sum up, is this about about right? Because Phil fudged the temperature data for Darwin, Durham, Bournemouth and all stations between Alice Springs and Novaya Zemlya (changing at Eureka NT), despite Harry’s protestations, Yao Tandong thought that railway engineer Pachauri believed that railway engineer’s Yao Tandong’s railway would slither into tundra mush, unless he fitted thousands of fridges to the railway tracks, using up a fair number of kW of power to keep the countryside frozen and stimulating demand for the latest patented Dupont refrigerants (made in China?). Oh the irony.

  130. memoryvault says:

    Hi Sharron,

    Yep, you can talk about anything you like here – except lesbians.
    I did without realising Walt (the Bear of many Heads) had patented them.
    Now his attorneys are after me so I’m hiding in a feed hopper under a car dumper on an island in the middle of nowhere on the coast of OZ, so they can’t find me.

  131. TheOligarch says:

    A mad friend of mine sent me this article.

    On China ignoring CO2 can I put out a very recent story in the news now having major market impact:

    China Risks `Sacrificing’ Growth as Energy Curbs Hit Industry

    China’s industrial output growth may have weakened in July as the government shuttered energy- intensive factories, highlighting how environmental goals risk damping growth just as export orders soften…

    Then this mad article mentions coal. Here is another recent story on that:

    Coal Imports May Drop in China on Less Growth, More Hydro: Energy Markets

    China, the world’s largest energy consumer, may reduce monthly coal imports to the lowest level in more than a year… Premier Wen Jiabao is trimming loans while implementing measures to cut pollution from power plants that run on fossil fuels…

  132. Edward. says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Head in the ozone layer again lad?

    Write a thousand lines: The consensus is 99.9% (of UN IPCC – not a lot- about 6) of scientists FROJS (Fellow of Royal society Of Jiggery-pokery Science ) – who are all on the payroll of big government (whose 11th commandment is; thou shalt not rock the boat of AGW) says, “the science is settled”.

    – Conspiracy? You’re ‘avin’ a larf – not us guv!

    Question; When is a climate scientist not a scientist?
    Answer; When he is on the government payroll.

    Over to you Jonesy.

    “The trick is to hide the decline!”
    It is clear, however, that statements suggesting “the science is settled” can no longer be sustained. In an email from Mike Kelly to Phil Jones (dated October 26, 2008), we find this gem, “I’ll maybe cut the last few points off the filtered curve before I give the talk again as that’s trending down as a result of the end effects and the recent cold-ish years.” While on July 5, 2005, Phil Jones wrote: “The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only seven years of data and it isn’t statistically significant.”

    All above board, nothing to see here, now move along, it is obvious to me that what we need here is a binding world wide agreement to allow idiot politicians free rein to tax, control, manipulate and obfuscate the defenestrated science – simples innit?

    Now start at the beginning suffolkboy and repeat after me.

    Man made CO2 is a GHG and is warming the solar system/Universe and also the earth, in five years the Arctic polar regions will be the new Costas……………..London, Bangladesh and Felixstowe/Novoya Zemla will be innundated by sea level rises of between 15 to 20 metres (or 6inches – you choose)……………………. and models predict……………….. ad nauseam………………………. all this will lead to armageddon and there may be a run on the Euro……………………….. .
    Got it?

  133. suffolkboy says:

    Innovative wind project “the way forward”
    Today’s random sample of climate madness:

    The ground-breaking project was the brainchild of Cookpole Energy Action (CEA), a not for profit group made up of residents from Cookley and Walpole , near Halesworth.

    They want to install two medium sized Gaia 133 wind turbines in the parish – each measuring around 18m tall with blades of around 13m in diameter.

    The cost would be around £100,000 and the electricity generated would be fed into the national grid.

    It is expected to generate an income or around £15,000 and that money would then be invested into other eco-friendly projects within the parish, such as solar panels for the local pavilion, a community woodland or electric bicycles for villagers to use. (Continues for 96 pages…)


    What seems to be happening is that the UK Coalition is decentralising the argument. By funding thousands of “local” initiatives like this, Huhne (UK Environment minister) seems to be walking away the real job of securing power nationally, and then ,when it all goes t!its up, he can blame the local villages. Walpole has a population of 200 and is twinned with B@mf@ck, Ohio (Source: Bryson, B) Looks like we’re now down to fighting in the streets rather than the beaches of the North Sea. So the inhabitants of Walpole-cum-Cookley are spending a few hundred quid each of UK taxpayers money to pay a Danish company for a windmill that works even where there is no wind?

    And what might on earth is a “portfolio holder for the greenest county”?


  134. Edward. says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 12, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    That’s not funny.
    What about grid connectivity? Has anyone considered that?

  135. Edward. says:

    “The 36,000 “excess deaths” in England and Wales during the winter of 2008/09 represented a rise of nearly 50% from the previous year.”

    “That same summer, record-breaking temperatures led to 2,000 excess deaths in the UK.”
    Summer of 2003 UK.

    Therefore cold is more dangerous than heat – go figure BMJ – bloody Doc’s AGW advocates.

  136. suffolkboy says:

    Edward. said on August 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    That’s not funny.
    What about grid connectivity? Has anyone considered that?

    Engineering!? I doubt if anyone has put any sort of engineering considerations into this at all. It expect it is just form filling from a group of chattering-class 4×4 types who “care for the environment”, possibly infiltrated by the odd water-melon or lentil-head, possibly even the odd gold-digger who can spot a good government handout a mile off, and the local vicar. It’s all in the parish. They will see a government form offering grants for this and just go ahead. The Danish company will be happy. No-one else will be, and there will be no way of controlling its connectivity with the grid. There will be no funding for operating staff. (“‘s’all automatic, innit?”) The action group will then get into recrimination with the Danes and the whole project will grind to a halt, along with the windmill. All planning regulations that might obstructed it will be Hunhed out of the way sharpish. At what point the engineers point out that it cannot work are heard I do not know. It will be bureaucrats all the way up.

    Cookley has a population of 2000, Walpole 200, both in Suffolk. This is just today’s paper. There is a lot of this going on.

    I despair. I might be on the lookout for a feed hopper under a car dumper on an island in the Southern Hemisphere as well.

  137. suffolkboy says:

    Edward. says: August 12, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Write a thousand lines:…

    Haven’t time. Have done one line and sent it to bje for cut-and-pasting.

  138. Edward. says:

    Desperate stuff indeed suffolkboy, I am thinking of squatting at Swanny’s place, got my own vango, will eat squirrel pie and drink swanny’s home brew.

  139. Edward. says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 12, 2010 at 7:31 pm


  140. meltemian says:

    MV 6:16
    No, No, No, No ….remember “Sherlock Specials”. I thought that was the new agreed term! Might keep you out of trouble.

    Sharron – Welcome. I don’t post on anything too intelligent as I’m still learning from all these brilliant folk, but I read EVERYTHING voraciously.

  141. Edward. says:

    “Engineering!? I doubt if anyone has put any sort of engineering considerations into this at all. It expect it is just form filling from a group of chattering-class 4×4 types who “care for the environment”, possibly infiltrated by the odd water-melon or lentil-head, possibly even the odd gold-digger who can spot a good government handout a mile off, and the local vicar. It’s all in the parish.”

    All bufHuhnes!
    -saw it on JDs rather good eh?

  142. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Edward. says:
    August 12, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    I’m getting scared. What’s a vango?

    We haven’t got any squirrels on the island yet, it’ll have to be wallaby stew and Oz is the bloke who does the Homebrew.

    Vango? We have mangoes but vango?

  143. mrsmv says:

    Only here for a minute – waiting for my nightly ritual phone call with Mr MV.

    Edward 7.24

    I have a great recipe for squirrel and possum pie – the secret ingredient – throw out the squirrel and possum before preparation and replace with something edible.

    Just apply the above recipe to real life and all would be sweet, i.e. doubtful politicians,
    warmist – the list goes on.

    Hi to Meltemian and Sharon. And thank you Meltemian for correcting Mr MV 🙂

  144. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    The Oligarch @ 6.44pm

    Your links detailing contraction of Chinese coal imports, and “Sacrificing’ Growth as Energy Curbs Hit Industry” as well as Suffolkboy’s link on the Tibetan railway where refrigeration will keep the tundra frozen in case of melting, don’t square too well with Locust’s translation of the book depicted in this blog.

    What’s your take on Chinese attitudes to AGW?

    The translations depict what we “think” the Chinese think.
    Are they taking anti-AGW measures because they believe it is prudent?
    Are they taking such measures to maximize the value of Carbon Credits gained?
    Is old Maurie Strong in the wings advising them on how to “clean up” on the potentially lucrative Carbon Exchanges?

    We seem to have two divergent opinions here. I’d be really interested to know what you think is the case.

    Couldn’t get a connection to your Oligarch link.

  145. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    mrsmv says:
    August 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    I’m sure people think possum pie is a bit of a “send up”, but we actually know a few born & bred Taswegians who actually DO eat possum mince burgers. Couldn’t come at it myself, but I might feed some to Ed if he turns up with a vango – whatever that is.

    Say g’day to MV for us.


  146. mrsmv says:

    Hi Blackswan

    MV says hi to you all. He is very busy at the salt mines. Will be home Tuesday night. (5 sleeps to go – who is counting?) And then, I am sure, he will be back burning the letters off the key board. How can a man type at 11o words per minute? He did a test once.

    I feel really nauseous about possum mince burgers. At one place we lived in we had a possum who came very close to our open window every night to be fed (just for the greenies – organic fruit!). And then one night she came with her baby on her back – aww – a kodak moment. And yeah, to the rest of the planet their eyes are just like bambi’s.

    And to all the environmentalists out there – do you grieve the passing of the dinosaurs – they were a species too!

    Oh by the way, apart from the idiot box, I have never seen a squirrel in real life. And who would want to eat them after Pointman’s links? How could you tenderise a catapulted squirrel.

    Pointman – your links have made them look really scary – do you have any more?

    Cheers and good night

  147. mrsmv says:

    PS Blackswan

    A Vango is a tent – lingo from mother country?

  148. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hey Mrs MV

    A vango is a tent? Thanks.

    Gee Ed, nowhere here to pitch a tent. Took out all the “lawns” a couple of years ago.
    You could camp on the riverbank, but I wouldn’t – too many tiger snakes in summer. Better just come inside and have a hot cocoa.

    Mrs MV

    We had possums here too. Used to walk about on the fernery roof and eat apple that we left them. Neighbours moved in next door with a big growly dog and the possums moved on. Bit of a shame. I like critters. They’re uncomplicated.

    Did you see the ABC Catalyst Program tonight? A terrific young Irish zoologist was talking about re-introducing native bush rats around Sydney Harbour. The interviewer asked her how would she know the rats were happy in their new home.
    “If they’re shaggin’ they’re happy”. See? Simple. Uncomplicated.

  149. Edward. says:

    Mrs MV,

    Thank you, sounds like good advice, though I would give myself considerable indigestion if a politician was on the menu in a literal sense, on the other hand skewering, spit roasting and devouring the carcass of certain politicians is an analogy which appeals immensely.


    Cocoa sounds a better bet mate!


  150. meltemian says:

    Vango – sounds like one of those tiny camper-vans, you know the sort where the roof pops up on one side.

  151. Edward. says:

    meltemian says:
    August 13, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Artemis, ‘goddess of the hunt’ – I think you refer to the VW ‘camper’ van.

    My vango is not so nearly as useful as the above but is more ‘portable’.

    Regards, Ed.

  152. Edward. says:

    A ‘bit’ of a problem.

    “Obviously this was a bit of a problem for the Scare Campaign. Much of the amplifying feedback created in the models also creates the hot-spot, so without any evidence that the hot-spot is occurring, there goes the disaster (and the urgent need for funding and junkets).”

    Many moons ago, I remember when studying for my A level – Pure Maths and Statistics (JMB), thinking, that apart from the discipline of working with figures and the satisfaction of achieving the correct answer by the correct empirical method.

    That, there was no value really in statistics except in being able to manipulate data sets (I was thinking of Political lies and devilry). I knuckled down and passed the exam and have rarely used any of it since.

    Today reading the paper from the above link;

    Click to access mmh_asl2010.pdf

    …………… Some of the old stuff came in handy and I realised, when perusing the graphs in the final piece of the paper just why I thought the way I did and that, my youthful conclusions were correct all those years ago.

  153. Edward. says:

    algebraic not empirical -doh!

  154. ozboy and locusts your fame is spreading…
    It’s really just JD’s article but the above site gets a lot of traffic.

  155. cory says:

    I can prove AGW.

    …at least in a laboratory.

    I just need Al Gore, a large plastic garbage bag and some matches.

    Also if you could spare some crayons so that I might properly document my ‘hockey stick’ theory (I favor the purple crayons).

    Cory, a warm welcome to LibertyGibbert. Do make yourself at home.

    I do normally keep some “troll crayons” behind the bar, but they’ve gone missing since that BJ chap left – Oz

  156. manonthemoor says:

    Welcome cory we do humour here as well as the hard stuff .

    Relax and enjoy the Bar and Grill the first round is always free

  157. NoIdea says:

    Hiya Cory

    Welcome to Oz’s bar and grill, the purple crayons are by far my favorite as well. According to some melon studies they are berry flavour.
    Are orange crayons orange flavour?


  158. fenbeagle says:

    Are orange crayons orange flavour?
    ….No. And i’m not going to try any of the others.

  159. Edward. says:

    Silly beagle.

  160. Crayons taste like ear wax.

  161. Pointman says:

    Usually for the same reason that fingers occasionally taste like ear wax …


  162. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    This Gem is from The Punch…………

    “It gives me no pleasure to say this. But cataclysmic climate change is going to happen, with all its promised attendant devastation, and neither you nor I nor anyone in power is going to do anything about it.”

    Now I’m going back to read some of the 200 comments.
    How crazy ARE these people?

  163. Pointman says:

    mrsmv says:
    August 12, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    “How could you tenderise a catapulted squirrel.”

    The catapulting helps but the fridge dropping really finishes of the tenderising. All that propoganda about squirrels just eating nuts is rubbish. They’re killers, I tell you.


  164. Pointman says:

    They fear neither beast nor man. Nothing is safe.

    Not turkeys
    or rattle snakes


  165. Pointman says:

    Not even a deer
    Did you see the way the vicious little bugger went for the throat?


  166. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Smokers could face jail time…

    They’ve already done this in Sydney, but you don’t go to gaol. If you don’t pay your heavy fines then the State Debt Recovery Office will cancel your drivers license and/or your vehicle registration.

    Oh, but if you’re a heroin addict then the Govt will provide an $8 million-a-year “safe” injecting room for your convenience and tell the police to keep away from you.

    Don’t you love these Socialist/Marxist/Fabian mongrels?

  167. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    Those squirrelly bits were amazing.

    Wow, enough with the cute and funny. To think these vicious little rodents are being bred in Sydney and sold as pets for $1200 apiece.

  168. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    For the information of Dr Dave and any of our UK friends who are entertaining the thought of Alternative Voting…………………

    This is what happens in the Australian Preferential Voting System.

    Greens fury at Labor vote deals

    You’ve been given a “heads-up”. Don’t do it.

  169. scud1 says:

    Hi all.

    Splendid posts as always chaps and chapettes…

    Just been reading the comments over at JD’s latest and I note that ‘StopCP’ has written ‘What a pity, what a shame…how sad’ in response to JD’s article about the CCX going tits up.

    Those of you who don’t know… ‘CP’ stands for ‘Common Purpose’. A fraudulent ‘charity’ set up by the UK’s then Labour government within their first year of office.
    It is essentially a Fabian / communist / Marxist / communitarian / pro EU Totalitarian outfit that works by infiltrating the education system, local councils, the media, government departments…any establishment that has power and influence…then seeks to actively undermine it through deliberately poor decision making and outright fraud.
    So begs the question why Dave thought it a good idea to visit one of their ‘branches’ in Bangalore…

    UK Prime Minister David Cameron

    More on CP…


  170. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    How to be fully renewable in 10 years

    AUSTRALIA could switch completely to renewable energy within a decade by building a dozen vast, new solar power stations and about 6500 wind turbines, according to a major new study.

    The Zero Carbon Australia Stationary Energy Plan – a collaboration between Melbourne University’s Energy Research Institute, the environment group Beyond Zero Emissions and engineers Sinclair Knight Merz, puts the cost at $37 billion in private funding and public investment every year for the next decade.

    The price tag may make it sound like a pipedream but the scheme earned the endorsement of the federal Liberal MP Malcolm Turnbull who added his support at a forum at Sydney Town Hall last night.

    Turnbull is a one-time Australian MD of Goldman Sachs. They are tossing “Billions” around like confetti in a country with a population of 22 million, of whom only about 7 million pay income tax. If the rest comes from Corporate taxes and “investment” where does he think this hideous Slush Fund will come from and not end up on their bottom-line, meaning we are ALL going to be footing this massive bill in goods and services.

    Nothing short of criminal.

  171. Blackswan your not serious some loony allowed Squirrels into Australia as pets, they will get loose and breed like squirrels and in your climate they will thrive anywhere there is woodland.

  172. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Crown,

    The whole “squirrel” thing started because I posted a newspaper link saying that there are 8 squirrel farms in Sydney, breeding the buggers and selling them in pet shops for $1200 each as “the ideal small pet for those living in apartments”.

    I wasn’t kidding.

    When you think of the devastation wrought on native flora & fauna by introduced foreign/feral animals, it’s really criminal.

  173. Pointman says:

    G’Day Swan,


  174. Ok a new post and as promised it is not about AGW it is about what happens next what’s the next scam to scare us all to death for money.

    Spelling errors and bad grammar are free of charge.

  175. Blackswan has anyone been evil enough to suggest to your local branch of PETA how cruel these farms are and they must free them from human bondage, although the thought of squirrels in gimp masks and little whips is unnerving in itself.

  176. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Pointman.

    I don’t even know what a chipmunk is……………

    I’m so confused. There are chipmunks, squirrels, groundhogs, prairie dogs, moles, badgers, raccoons – help, we’re being overrun!!

  177. Pointman says:

    It’s all a conspiracy, an evil plot by …


  178. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Crown,

    Re your link – as I’m devoid of imagination, I have NoIdea what’s next.

    However, this morning I’ve made a big pot of split-pea & ham soup with a big meaty smoked ham hock……mmmm (with a little crusty sour-dough loaf on the side) yum.

    Does that mean the methane police will be around to measure emissions and tax the household accordingly?

  179. OO
    Foamy the Squirrel you are extremely strongly cautioned bad language and adult themes.

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  181. mlpinaus says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 13, 2010 at 9:57 am
    How to be fully renewable in 10 years
    Yes, this crap is going (has been going) the rounds of the University lot in Aus at least for a while. Google “Solar Concentrator” with “Stirling Cycle”. Gives you the picture…. At least they throw out photo voltaics and wind power along with nuclear and coal
    in the chase for the Green utopia…. They seem to think that hydrogen generation is the way to get over the sun not shining. When I pointed out at a seminar that we have lots of thorium ready to dig up and use in new, safe, modern reactors…. you would swear I that had just farted in Church.


    G’day Marcus, good to see you back. We’re building up our Aussie contingent again, as we once did at the UK Tele.

    I guess we’re like the British Empire now: the sun never sets on us! – Oz

  182. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    mlpinaus says:
    August 13, 2010 at 11:14 am

    G’day Marcus

    I Gargled as per your advice – fantastic.

    That Stirling Cycle motor is amazing and invented in 1816! Nearly 200 years and nobody has dragged those basic principles into the 21st century for modern application. Brilliant.

    Thanks. Good to see you at the Bar & Grill. Don’t worry about the “farting in church” thing here – we’ll just blame the dog asleep in front of the fire.
    Fancy some pea soup with a slice of sourdough?

  183. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: do you really not know what a chipmunk is?

    Chipmunks are (much) smaller than most squirrels, but they live in the same sort of way and do the same sort of things, only up North, not down here in the South; they have a decorative patterned brown back and the consensus is that they’re cuter than squirrels. However, if the AGW scam has taught us anything, it’s not to trust an unexamined consensus!

  184. memoryvault says:


    How To Be Fully Renewable in Ten Years

    I read things like the following from the above article, and weep:
    ”The fact is, from an energy perspective, we are in big trouble,” said Mr Wright when he briefed staff from the NSW Department of Climate Change, Environment and Water on the plan yesterday.

    This man is living in a country with proven natural gas reserves capable of powering the planet at current rates of consumption for the next 600+ years, and more being discovered every day; proven coal reserves capable of powering the planet for the next 200+ years, and more being discovered every day; coal seam gas reserves as yet only partially explored but probably as big as our natural gas reserves; abundant oil reserves (we buy it, rather than pump it out of the ground, for reasons known only to the oil companies), Uranium, and so much Thorium it’s a joke, and this man is worrying about when we run out, maybe in a thousand years.

    Given that a thousand years ago we were just mastering the ox and cart, anybody want to even hazard a guess on how we will be powering things in a thousand years from now? Gerzonollium liquid crystals excited by continuous phaser beam maybe?

    I reckon they coat the coffee beans with something mildly hallucigenic around the trendy areas of Sydney and Melbourne. It’s the only plausible explanation.

  185. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Amanda,

    We see various references to all these critters in American movies & TV, but we really know nothing about them. Most our our little creatures are shy nocturnal marsupials that we rarely come across.

    Living in the country we usually have field mice, for example, who come indoors seeking shelter from the first frosts. Obviously European rats and mice have thrived in the cities, but their country cousins are pretty harmless.

  186. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Memoryvault

    I’m going to have to change my morning routine. I get up, take a shower, put the kettle on and enjoy a cuppa while I read the papers on-line and catch up on what’s cookin’ in the Bar & Grill overnight, and post any interesting links from the papers.

    I don’t know why I bother. Most of this stuff just p*sses me off and ruins my day. I’ll have to cut it out – I’m in danger of being a perennially cranky old bird.

    I’d rather brew up a pot of soup. Fancy some?

  187. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    While I’m doing all-of-the-above, I listen on-line to Sydney radio, and the presenter just played that old song “Run rabbit, run rabbit, run run run….” overlaid with Jooolya Gizzard repeatedly saying “Mr. Rabbit”, her poor pronunciation of “Mr Abbott”.

    Looks like those elocution lessons to get rid of her nasal Strine aren’t working….LOL

  188. Amanda says:

    Blackswan, I understand, and did not mean to suggest or imply that you were in any way an ignoramus. I am far more unaware of southern hemisphere animals than you are of northern animals.

    There’s not much I can add about chipmunks except that we do have the phrase ‘chipmunk cheeks’, i.e. protruding, rounded cheeks like one stuffed full of nuts. Again, we don’t have a similar phrase, ‘squirrel cheeks’, since squirrels aren’t considered as cute/sweet.

  189. memoryvault says:


    I know what you mean about the news – especially during an election. I don’t bother anymore in the mornings.

    Please no more talk of Pea and Ham soup with crusty bread. It is one of my favourite winter meals, and when I am home I make a big pot of it, and leave some in pre-measured containers for Mrs MV to have while I am away.

    There is a freezer full of it at home right now, and I am staying at the worst camp for food that I have been in, in fourteen years of FIFO work all over OZ. I will probably cruise into town tonight and pick up a MacHeartAttack in the hope of getting some nutrition.

  190. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hey Amanda,

    “Imply” isn’t the right word. I really AM an ignoramus about most things outside my own personal experience….LOL

    That’s why I really do appreciate it when people like your-good-self take the time to clue me up.

    This blogging caper, hitherto an alien world of super-geeks (namely my kids), has been a great revelation for me. Real people (well, most of them anyway), with some real smarts and the generosity to share it around.

    I do appreciate it.

  191. Amanda says:

    Oh, pardon, Blackswan, I should have said G’day first. How remiss of me.

  192. Amanda says:

    Blackswan, those birds are being charmed again… and I’m one of them… :^)

  193. Amanda says:

    I get up, take a shower, put the kettle on and enjoy a cuppa while I read the papers on-line and catch up on what’s cookin’ in the Bar & Grill overnight, and post any interesting links from the papers.

    Blackswan: that sounds great so far. Shame that what you read spoils this otherwise tranquil and enviable picture.

  194. Amanda says:

    “the ideal small pet for those living in apartments”.

    Oh, jeez. And did the advert ever mention that they eat your chocolate liqueurs?

  195. Amanda says:

    A squirrel, for heaven’s sake. That’s like saying that ferrets are good for people that want affection, and monkeys are ideal for those craving a tidy living space. Why can’t people have a fish tank or a hamster and be done with it?

  196. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    Many years ago I was giving a “talk” to a CWA Club (in Warwick Qld as a matter of fact) and the ladies served a typically great lunch. I complimented the “chef” of a sensational minestrone soup and she shyly said her secret was fresh pork bones.

    I’ve been making it that way ever since and it jostles in the freezer with all the other sorts I like. The local butcher reckons I’m his only customer that pays for what he usually bags-up as dog bones…LOL

    If it’s still cool when you get home, give it a go.

  197. mlpinaus says:

    memoryvault says:
    August 13, 2010 at 11:38 am
    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 13, 2010 at 11:50 am
    Yes, Australia just has so much energy related STUFF….. My mate works for one of the bore-hole logging companies… coal everywhere, oil everywhere, uranium in huge amounts, thorium , even hot rocks… These wankers can’t admit that China saved Aus from the GFC, and populate our hillsides with f*cking wind farms instead.. …. Blackswan, I too suffer from Aged Related Retired Persons Fury. Don’t see a cure.
    Pea Soup? Love it. Spent a lot of time in Holland working for Philips in the 70’s. “Erdsup”, just the thing for the cold winter we are having right now. Hope Europe and America freeze too in their turn…. cool the AGW ardour a little.


  198. Amanda says:

    Cory, I’m sorry but you can’t do your demonstration. Even if Oz could find the crayons you request, Al Gore has been eaten by polar bears. So there goes that.

  199. Amanda says:

    Let it not be said that I am not serious. Seriouser and seriouser. FYI for those that missed it — it’s missable but at least it’s sort of on-topic, here’s what I recently posted on JD’s blog in response to a new poster there:

    “The Human said: ‘There is a distinct lack of debate here. Reality is the best here, but outside him, none.

    The majority seem to be “Global Warming. Brilliant. Enough Said”. Although, if they actually speak, they deny it!’

    Hummy dearest. You manage to be right and wrong in the same breath. Yes, Reality Returns is one of our bravest and brightest and best-informed. No question about that. But then you dismiss all the rest (rather incoherently, it must be said). You’re new to this blog, aren’t you? Well, I’m not. Neither are Crownarmourer, Ozboy, and a great many others that I am not slighting by not naming — it’s just that there are too many of ’em.

    For your information, we have been arguing the toss — the clouds, the gases, the political blowhardery, the e-mails, the hockey sticks, the ‘hide the decline’, the money trails, the Pachauri soft-porn novel, the medieval warm period, and every bloomin’ angle of Climategate — for months on end, and here you are saying that we just take everything for granted. We don’t. You’re late to the party, pal. Show some respect”.

    At least his reply was genial.

  200. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Amanda,

    Speaking of fish tanks, outdoors I have (or had) a huge tub with a dozen fish in it. My friend and neighbour reckoned he had just the thing to cut down on the algae growth and the fish would be thrilled with their new crystal-clear environment.

    They were thrilled to death. We have taken to calling him “the piscatorial undertaker”. I now have a huge tub of clear water I’m thinking of growing water-lilies in.

    As for the other critter-keepers, apart from dogs & cats, I don’t get it with folks compelled to cage little creatures or birds for their amusement. Gives me the creeps.
    In this context I always rationalised keeping the fish by knowing they ate mosquito larvae than can ruin any enjoyment of a water-feature. Nothing like the sound of splashing water in a garden.

  201. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    “coal everywhere, oil everywhere, uranium in huge amounts, thorium , even hot rocks…”

    That’s what is so infuriating. If we were totally devoid of such rich resources, I reckon you and I would be head-of-the-queue looking for answers/raising funding. But these AGW/Green sons-of-bitches keep selling the lie.

    What’s Erdsup?

  202. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Amanda says:
    August 13, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Great come-back to an ignoramus. Glad you’re on “our” side.

  203. Amanda says:

    Evening, Blackswan — and thank you.

  204. memoryvault says:

    Marcus, Blackswan

    Don’t get too excited about the hot rocks. I was involved in the Geodynamics experimental effort out Innamincka way 2009 – 2010. Great theory, but we are a looong way from safely producing any actual energy that way.

    The stumbling block comes when we fracture the rock to allow the water-heat-steam process. Although Man has done a lot of drilling and dropping of explosives down holes and blowing stuff up, we’ve never done it in the particular circumstances that relate to geothermal energy.

    Basically, it doesn’t behave the way we want it, or need it, or expected it to. In fact, now that the hurdle has been recognised, it’s probably right back to the geology department of some university dropping explosives down test holes for a decade or so, before there’s even another realistic experimental attempt at geothermal steam generation.

  205. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: Oh I so agree. Though hamsters don’t mind, I guess (never had one: I was given gerbils — of course — scratchy hyper things with ratty tails, ugghh).
    Sorry to hear about your fish. Agree entirely about water features: love ’em. In Houston any water feature means West Nile fever and such, so you don’t bother. Florida is so, so much better.

  206. mlpinaus says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 13, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Memory failed me as to spelling. “Ewrten Soep” is a very thick pea soup, usually served with rye bread. Brilliant for cold weather. Brings back memories of the sleet rattling upon my glasses…. Drove me out of Holland that, and into the arms of the CSIRO for a while…..

    I understand why the University types chase things like solar generators. It’s simply that they like to eat. It is just where the grant money is. I watched and participated in this at Adelaide University Elec. Engineering Dept in the mid-late 80’s, before I saw the light and started my own company.


  207. mlpinaus says:

    Damn. Erwten …..
    memoryvault says:
    August 13, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    This blog is brilliant ! My mate told me this too, Big Secret; “don’t put any shekels in it”
    The scope and depth of knowledge from hot rocks to furry creatures is amazing….


  208. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    What’s a gerbil?

  209. Blackswan what’s a Gerbil ask Richard Geer.

  210. Amanda water features in Florida come with a courtesy alligator, it gives new meaning on a golf course to the words “water trap”.

  211. memoryvault as to hot rocks the cracks they make end up being self sealing as minerals precipitate out , another bad side effect are small Earthquakes.

  212. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    mlpinaus says:
    August 13, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    It’s all Ozboy’s fault. He said we could talk about anything and there was no off-topic.
    I warned him I was a garrulous old fart – he said it duzzen-madda. Blame him.

    Frankly, if I had to put up with earnest and learn-ed (?) AGW pontifications non-stop, I’d find something else to do. It used to be the wonderful world of books before my geeky kids told me I could actually read newspapers on-line and they got me started.

    They forgot to mention the goofy stuff we find at the Bar & Grill.

  213. Amanda says:

    Crownarmourer 2:09: Yuk yuk!

  214. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: If you don’t know what a gerbil is, take my advice and cherish your ignorance.

  215. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    I Gargled. Alas, I have no ignorance left to cherish.
    I have obviously led a sheltered life Far From the Madding Crowd.

  216. Edward. says:


    G’day to you all,

    “proven coal reserves capable of powering the planet for the next 200+ years, and more being discovered every day; coal seam gas reserves as yet only partially explored”

    Wonder whats under the ice in Antarctica?

    Peak oil? – Coal can be converted, peak energy is BS.

    Another wankers ‘chatterati’ term to frighten us proles into believing summat (AGW bollox) that is not real.

    Australia’s job rate went up again to 5.3% that is a crime in Aus, you’re shipping gazillions of tons of ore to China and not processing the damn stuff yourselves, bet it makes you weep MV. Who is losing out there?

    What does amaze me is how the ‘consensus’ of luvvies, eco-tossers, journo’s who know FA, Socialists and Fabian / communist / Marxist / communitarian have been drawn in and somehow been convinced (sheep) – that the world is coming to it’s cataclysmic end in the next ten or fifteen years/whatever, in Australia of all places.

    In the UK we have been going down the s**thole for decades, Aus’ is a powerhouse and potentially a ‘goldmine’, the Chinese want you, they will conquer you, because I think that you will give up the ghost………….we sent the wrong type of pommies over recently (but your fault for importing them)!!

    So yer see, its all our fault in Britain.

  217. Amerloque says:

    Hi memoryvault
    On August 13, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    /// … it’s probably right back to the geology department of some university dropping explosives down test holes for a decade or so, before there’s even another realistic experimental attempt at geothermal steam generation.. ///

    There is a company called Raser Technologies, Inc. (shares are cheap: RZ on the NYSE) working on geothermal in Utah, USA. From the Yahoo finance page:

    /// Raser Technologies, Inc., an environmental energy technology company, focuses on geothermal power development and technology licensing primarily in the United States. The company operates in two segments, Power Systems, and Transportation and Industrial. The Power Systems segment develops geothermal electric power plants, and bottom-cycling operations. It has eight geothermal projects under development. This segment generates approximately 7 megawatts of electrical power. The Power Systems segment holds a portfolio of geothermal interests in Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, and Oregon, as well as in Indonesia.
    …/… /// (Yahoo financial pages)

    From its own site:

    /// Raser is an energy technology company focused on geothermal power development and technology licensing. Raser’s Power Systems segment is seeking to develop clean, renewable geothermal electric power plants and bottom-cycling…./…”

    It’s currently selling (some) power to Orange County, California. The company seems to be muddling along and its share price has dropped dangerously low. (Amerloque is NOT advocating or recommending purchase of the shares in any way, shape or form. Caveat Emptor !)

    One good thing is that the firm, through its majority stakeholder, has a sh_itload of patents in generators and induction motors. (grin)

    If the Aussie university boffins pull their finger out, Oz geothermal technology could be as good as ResMed, one of the best (and a world leader). (grin)

    Amerloque 20100813 09h55 Paris time (CET)

    PS to Pointman: Was out at our farm in Normandy. No high speed internet there. (grin). There is a huge drought, the worst since ’76. The French farmers know dam’ well it’s not AGW. (grin) The bad news is no French heritage apple varieties on Mme Amerloque’s trees this year ! Best, A.

    G’day again Amerloque,

    RealityReturns over on James’s blog is asking after you – Oz

  218. suffolkboy says:

    Minutes of the “Bar and Grill” Common Purpose Working Party on Cod’n’Trade, 13th August 2010

    1. The chair opened the meeting by ordering us all to recite the common credo: that the world is at risk from a decline in the cod population and recognizing that this catastrophe is caused solely by human activity and not by fluffy seals, feral squirrels or phytoplankton variability (unless such factors could conceivably be caused by said human activity)
    2. The secretary informed the WP that the NWO Central Committee has decided to take over the universe in order to fix this and such other evils that the Central Committee may from time to time deem to exist, and that the WP is the crucial to achieving this over-arching secret objective.
    3. It was agreed that Objective 2 will be achieved by the introduction of a new Cod’n’Trade system which will work as follows.
    4. All authorised Cod suppliers will be given a quota (the exact value to be determined at the next International Save-The-Planet Summit in Somewhere Very Exotic) of cod they can sell without reprisals.
    5. They will be paid a subsidy by the committee for each subsequent cod that they do not catch and for each day staying moored in a fishing port.
    6. Should any cod inadvertently swim into their net above this quota, the supplier will liable to a fine one million euros.
    7. However, this fine may be offset by means of a Cod Credit, which allows a supplier to catch as many cod as they can after all, provided they have enough Cod Credits.
    8. Cod Credits may be traded only on the European Cod Exchange subject to a very complex EUSSR regulatory framework comprehensible only to Belgians.
    9. A cod credit may be acquired either by buying one from somebody who couldn’t catch any fish that day, or by paying a Belgian in chips or by promising to release a krill into the Antarctic Ocean for each cod accidentally caught in the North Atlantic.
    10. In order to set a price for chip-credit conversion, it will be necessary to set up perpetual monitoring of the fish population in all the world’s oceans. Should the rate of decrease of cod exceed two per millennium, fewer credits will be issued, thus restoring cod stocks instantaneously.
    11. Since counting cod directly may be challenging and objective, we will adopt the more easily fudgeable technique of assessing cod-proxies that the cod suppliers may perchance stumble upon in the course of normal work: dolphins, blue-fin tuna, dead lifeforms of any species, fossil fish, supermarket trollies, submarine cable repeaters, Spanish Galleons, transatlantic ocean liners and suchlike; all pre-existing cod censuses must be re-calibrated against the proxies using peer-reviewed conversion formulas.
    12. We will therefore need to fund research in universities worldwide to establish the correlation between cod-proxies and real cod to an accuracy of ±0.2 fish per cubic megametre (or the equivalent US pre-Civil War unit). This will will require the creation of incomprehensible computer models to sterilize, homegenize and render inaccessible and unrepeatable all the original data. This will require extensive deep-sea diving in exotic parts of the world, the purchase of several teraflops of computer power and petabytes of storage, and hosting conferences in very pleasant resorts worldwide.
    13. Though initially set up for “Cod”, the term “Cod” as used above may, upon edict from the supreme leader, be used to designate “tuna”, or any fish or tradable commodity that the leader may think fit (or be tricked or paid enough to thus think).
    14. Administration and bonuses will be funded by a perpetual levy of 1p on a every bag of non-organic chips sold at Harry Ramsden’s Fish and Chip Emporium, Ormskirk, Lancashire, UK; any shortfall will be rectified by a volunteer sleeping with George Soros (Action point: CA) and Al Gore.
    15. The initial issue of cod credits is to be cut’n’pasted and distributed to all blogs (AP: BJE).

    Date of Next Working Party: TBA
    Venue: Cancun, Mexico (meet in Ozbar one hour before for nuts)

  219. Edward. says:


    And!…..G’day to you all,

    “proven coal reserves capable of powering the planet for the next 200+ years, and more being discovered every day; coal seam gas reserves as yet only partially explored”

    Wonder whats under the ice in Antarctica?

    Peak oil? – Coal can be converted, peak energy is BS.

    Another wankers ‘chatterati’ term to frighten us proles into believing summat (AGW bollox) that is not real.

    Australia’s job rate went up again to 5.3% that is a crime in Aus, you’re shipping gazillions of tons of ore to China and not processing the damn stuff yourselves, bet it makes you weep MV. Who is losing out there?

    What does amaze me is how the ‘consensus’ of luvvies, eco-tossers, journo’s who know FA, Socialists and Fabian / communist / Marxist / communitarian have been drawn in and somehow been convinced (sheep) – that the world is coming to it’s cataclysmic end in the next ten or fifteen years/whatever, in Australia of all places.

    In the UK we have been going down the s**thole for decades, Aus’ is a powerhouse and potentially a ‘goldmine’, the Chinese want you, they will conquer you, because I think that you will give up the ghost………….we sent the wrong type of pommies over recently (but your fault for importing them)!!

    So yer see, its all our fault in Britain.

    Please accept my most sincere apologies and allow me to say; that there are still some people in Britain who have some ‘marbles’ remaining and I like to think that I can include myself in that number.
    And that, all is not lost in my country whilst I and some notable others are able to retain breath in our lungs.

    Swanny, I know what you mean mate, reading all the bad stuff makes yer puke but if not us then who?
    In our small way, we must endeavour to try to make a difference.

    @Suffolkboy, what I said the other day about the ‘Alarmist noise’ is coming to pass, the ‘ramping up’ of the volume on NATURAL disasters is becoming deafening in the MSM in the west, they sense the summer may be their last chance and it is being orchestrated I am sure.


  220. Edward. says:

    Whoops, a re-edit part two,
    – thought first was ‘lost in ether’, Soz Oz!


  221. Amerloque says:

    Hi Edward !
    On August 13, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    /// … the ‘consensus’ of luvvies, eco-tossers, journo’s who know FA, Socialists and Fabian / communist / Marxist / communitarian …
    the world is coming to it’s cataclysmic end in the next ten or fifteen years/whatever, in Australia of all places….///

    Well, they’ve neither read “On The Beach” nor seen the film ! (grin)

    Amerloque 20100813 10h55 Paris time (CET)

  222. Edward. says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 13, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    A very cynical bloke are you, great post though.
    And spot on.


  223. Amerloque says:

    Hi Oz !

    /// RealityReturns over on James’s blog is asking after you – Oz ///

    OK, many thanks !

    Amerloque 20100813 10h40 Paris time (CET)

  224. Edward. says:


    Bonjour mon amis, Ca va?

    “Well, they’ve neither read “On The Beach” nor seen the film ! (grin)”

    Pourquoi – Naturellement!


  225. memoryvault says:


    Why bother going to all the effort of extracting synthetic fuel from coal, when you only have to liquify natural gas?

    If OZ had a single pollie party of vision anymore, we’d have a national gas grid like other countries have a national electricity grid.
    All heating, cooking and hot water in the home would be by gas.
    A well-kept secret, but most coal-fired power stations built in the last thirty years here have either been built from scratch as “dual purpose” (can run on gas) or subsequently have been converted.
    We could swap to “clean green” gas-fired electricity in a month – if there was any gas available.
    The stuff can be liquified to power cars – ALL vehicles in OZ should be running on gas by now, and we should be exporting the technology globally.

    Yes, Edward, many times I want to weep.

    Back in the early 70’s a man Lang Hancock discovered the iron ore in the Pilbara in the north of WA, and a bloke called Joe Bjelke Petersen became Premier of Queensland, where they were just starting to mine coal in a big way.

    They had a vision:
    Build a railway straight across OZ from QLD to the Pilbara of WA.
    Haul over the coal fromQLD to WA
    Have huge steel refineries in the Pilbara and OZ become the world’s leaders in production of high-grade steel.
    At the time the Japanese were more than happy to finance it.
    The idea is still kicking around today, and the Chinese wouild be quite happy to finance it.

    But somewhere, somebody decided a long time ago that we were meant to be holes in the ground, shipping dirt, and raising cows and sheep around the holes and nothing much else.
    The idea has been stomped on by successive Federal and state guvmints of ALL persuasions for forty years.

    The Chinese have no wish to invade us.
    Apart from BHP and Rio regularly screwing them over and the Fed guvmint refusing to do anything about it, they’re pretty happy with the current arrangement.

  226. Edward. says:


    Thank you, real shame about the railway, what a feat of engineering that would be!!
    I have seen the sky train in Bangkok, they are great engineers, they will build the railway and link China to Malaysia, through to Burma (Myanmar) and Thailand with subsidiaries etc to Vietnam and Lao.

    South East Asia first!

  227. Pointman says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 13, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Mr. Chairman, in the light of what some may think is a rather harsh new regulatory regime, I propose we sweeten the pill with a few give aways. How about exempting the Coelacanth fishing fleet?


    ps. All great delusions have their own peculiar interior logic …

  228. Mrs MV says:

    memoryvault 6.51

    “The Chinese have no wish to invade us.”

    And why on earth would they go to all that effort. They are just waiting for the “For Sale” sign to go up. Or should that be “Fire Sale”?

  229. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Mrs MV says:
    August 13, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    According to Locust’s translation, this is already a “smokeless war” – “to the death”.

  230. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 13, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    You’re too good. We enjoyed watching a program called Trawlermen, which detailed the trials and tribulations of your fishing fleets under EU directives. It was too mad for words and your “Minutes” portrayed a measure of the lunacy.

    Is it true that while your guys had to toe-the-line, dumping tons of over-quota fish, paying horrendous penalties, being sent to-the-wall – other EU Continental Fishing Fleets were moving into your waters and helping themselves?

    Apart from that show, we never hear anything of your fishing fiasco down here and the Labor Party are trying to hook us up with an EU-style Asia/Pacific Union.

    But hey, it’s all for our own good isn’t it?

  231. Pointman says:

    The Three Chinas and World Energy Demand

    An assessment of the long term energy demands. Interesting reading.


  232. suffolkboy says:

    @Blackswan Tasmania: August 13, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    I may have got obscured a point (Fish Taxes) in the enthusiasm of caricature. I would not be at all surprised if the EU at least started preparing a Plan B for raising taxes, lest Plan A (Green Taxes to ward of eco-doom) risk a serious revolt in the streets of Brussels. Plan B would fall back on the usual targets (physical goods, whether essential, optional, or luxury). But I think it would still need an element of catastrophism, which seems to work surprisingly well, in which the population is led to believe that doomsday beckons unless something is taxed for our own good. Fish stocks might well be that Plan B, or something along those lines. Traditionally this is done by enforcing quotas by force, for example having the UK threaten to shoot at Spanish Ships off Cornwall, or playing dodgems with the Icelandic Navy. Doing it by complex tariff scams and faux markets is the more modern way, though it doesn’t make for photogenic news reports from the North Atlantic.

    However, Plan A still seems to be the one rammed down our throats this year.

  233. Pointman says:

    “It really is your mother tongue”

    Another article from the ever readable Nigel Calder. If you’re interested in the mind and sociolinguistics, it’s fascinating stuff.


  234. Caridnor says:

    Hi MV,
    further to Amerloque’s reply, Geothermal can work well – but so far only very small scale….

    Looking forward to hearing more about the demonisation of lead when you have the time, I hate using lead free solder, and think of our contrary friend every time I use a soldering iron now.

  235. thendisnighnot says:

    What time is Happy Hour??

  236. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Pointman says:
    August 13, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    “It really is your mother tongue” – it’s fascinating stuff.

    As you’re a student of sociolinguistics, maybe you’re the bloke I can ask about something that’s always puzzled me.

    As an infant, my mother told me I couldn’t bear baby-talk. Apparently I was less than 2 yo when she pointed out some horses in a paddock “Look at the geegees”. The wee black swan says “That’s a horse”. She regaled me with that story most of my life, citing it as proof I was a born smart-arse……LOL

    That aside, why do you think young women today assume a manner of speaking in a high-pitched nasal affectation reminiscent of adenoidal cartoon chipmunks? Your link cites the proof that mothers have a tendency to speak to babies that way, but why do young women choose to speak like 7 year olds?

    It’s grating, irritating and annoying. Is there a modern societal reason for it or am I just getting older and grumpier?

    sociolinguistics, it’s fascinating stuff.


  237. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    thendisnighnot says:
    August 13, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    “What time is Happy Hour??”

    It’s 24/7 at Ozboy’s Bar & Grill.

  238. Mrs MV says:

    Pointman 8.20

    This is indeed an incredible and fascinating area of “science”. In every nation on the planet the mothers do speak to their babies in the same manner. Goo goo, ga ga etc. And yeah, you do wonder that the baby is saying “to whom do you think you are speaking to”.

    I have kept my finger on the pulse of this “science” since I tripped over it with the birth of our son. It has been developing and changing over time and the trip has been one of my “pet loves”.

    I could go on for pages, but this is not the right site. However, I want to make it clear, that there is a very big and important role that the fathers do play, in the linguistic devolopment of their children, and OMG do you think that any man strapped to a machine (for the purposes of the experiments in the link) is going to say goo goo and not sound macho. Do you agree Ozboy?

    Thank you Pointman. If you trip over any more send them my way.

    PS Enough of squirrels – I think I am over them. Sorry Snow

  239. Pointman says:


    There’s an illustration in this article you’ll absolutely love!


  240. thendisnighnot says:

    Blackswan…. it’s called American TV

  241. thendisnighnot says:

    It’s 24/7 at Ozboy’s Bar & Grill. thought as much therefore it would be rude not to fill one’s boots

  242. Mrs MV says:

    Blackswan you jumped in before me.

    Your father taught you it was a horse. One up for the men.

    Kids are very sassy by the time they are two.

    Baby talk is for babies. By the time they are three months old they are over it.

  243. thendisnighnot says:

    Mrs MV…. how come all these “warmists” get away with it after 3 months?

  244. NoIdea says:


    I did a little due diligence on the company mentioned by you earlier, Raser’s Power Systems. Heading to the SEC edgar database at

    I soon found many things that made my “spidey” sense start tingling; I enclose a few statements from their filings.

    “We have incurred substantial losses since inception, and we are not operating at cash breakeven. Our ability to secure liquidity in the form of additional financing or otherwise remains crucial for the execution of our business plan and our ability to continue as a going concern. Our current cash balance, together with cash anticipated to be provided by operations, will not be sufficient to satisfy our anticipated cash requirements for normal operations, accounts payable and capital expenditures for the foreseeable future.”

    “The results of this evaluation indicate that plant performance may improve from the current output level of approximately 6.6 megawatts, but most likely will not.”
    “During the six months ended June 30, 2010, we generated and sold approximately 23,004 MW hours of electricity compared to 4,876 MW hours of electricity during the same period in 2009.”

    “Our independent registered public accounting firm’s report on our financial statements as of December 31, 2009 expressed doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern. The report includes an explanatory paragraph stating that there is substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern due to our incurring significant losses, the use of significant cash in operations, and the lack of sufficient capital, as of the date the report was issued, to support our business plan through the end of 2010 or later.”

    “We have limited operating experience and revenue, and we are not currently profitable. We expect to continue to incur net losses for the foreseeable future, and we may never achieve or maintain profitability.”

    “Operating Activities. Cash consumed by operating activities for the six months ended June 30, 2010 consisted primarily of a net loss of approximately $69.6 million,”

    I am no accountant, but this doesn’t look too good to me, there are lots of other similar worrying statements. If there is any one with the skills needed to decipher that document in a more coherent way I would be interested to learn if I am reading the right conclusions based on my limited understanding.

    Is it as bad as I think it looks?


  245. Mrs MV says:

    thendisnighnot says:
    August 13, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    That’s just genetics. I do not want to dent their father’s egos. And yeah I could go for pages about that as well.

  246. thendisnighnot says:

    Mrs MV pleasure to make you aquantence (probably spelt wrong but you know what i mean) Your “old fellah” is an inspiration to people like me that don’t quite get all the science but understand what people like him and the rest of the stalwarts on here are on about unlike with Izzie/Wizzie

  247. Mrs MV says:

    thendisnighnot 9:57 pm

    Pleasure too Sir.

    Carrying on from your previous question – some people never graduate from kindergarten. Mr MV could go on for pages about that too.

    Our Son often says, “Don’t hold back Dad, tell them what you really feel.” And he means that sincerely and from experience.

    And you think his written word has wrath, his verbal skills in real action are something to behold. But hey, he is really great at parties – the story telling would make you all fall off your stools at the Bar and Grill with laughter. And he has many good stories. ie settle in for the night and the next day, if you can last that long!

    Mrs Ozboy, I am a good cook, and I will help with the domestics.

  248. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania says:
    August 13, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    G’Day Swan,

    It is a fascinating area and between the article and the points raised in your post, I could go on all day. I’ll restrain myself though and break it into two posts. I owe you a post in Sociolinguistics!

    Children deciding not to speak, is not as rare as people think. It’s called elective mutism. A child just decides not to speak though they understand what’s said to them. Some friends of mine had a child who didn’t speak a word until he was nearly four. “I want some jam” he announced at the family meal one evening and that was that! They may also elect when they’re a bit older to stop talking. Happens in primary school quite a bit, as most teachers can tell you. Anecdotal evidence suggests that children who were elective mutes are very good listeners. Did you know that one anagram of listen is silent? It works either way …

    There’s a related thing called selective mutism but that’s more of a psychological disorder.


  249. Pointman says:

    Mrs MV August 13, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    “I have kept my finger on the pulse of this “science” since I tripped over it with the birth of our son. It has been developing and changing over time and the trip has been one of my “pet loves”. I could go on for pages, but this is not the right site …”

    I see no problems going off topic (speaking as a prime offender). First hand impression may not be evidence but they certainly lead to interesting conjectures. Fire away.


  250. thendisnighnot says:

    Mrs MV to meet you guys, Oz, Swan, Pointman, NoIdea, Locusts, Ed, Crown etc etc etc would be such a pleasure we could have Izen as the Village idiot entertaning us would be a bit like dwarf throwing i think….. maybe one day!

  251. suffolkboy says:

    Environmental tokenism
    Now we have “dummy for display purposes only” windmills….

    Strata tower in Elephant & Castle named ugliest new building of the year, and it only has three turbines on top, but needs 36 if it is to be self-sufficient.

    The developers behind the tower have also been accused of environmental tokenism, after installing turbines in the roof to meet just eight per cent of the building’s energy needs. I presume that was just sufficient to get a grant.


  252. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Hi suffolkboy,

    I saw that building in another article wherein it was described as an “electric shaver”, complete with the rotary blades on top. Didn’t realise it was THAT inefficient.

  253. meltemian says:

    Do you think the expensive top floor apartments will have trouble with vibrations from the turning blades? Might make the view a bit blurred….

  254. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Pointman says:
    August 13, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “They may also elect when they’re a bit older to stop talking”

    It’s been my experience that this phase epitomises the difference between boys and girls. As our daughter reached adolescence her vocal range and endurance accelerated at an alarming rate. To play an Australian didgeridoo one needs to develop a “circular breathing” technique – breathing in and out at the same time. We always said our girl developed the style for incessant conversation……LOL

    On the other hand, at 14 our son became almost mute. Why waste your breath with unnecessary words when a mere grunt would suffice? We despaired of him even being capable of normal adult conversation. We knew it wasn’t a case of arrested development for him alone, as all his mates were the same. He’s grown out of that now and uses a surprisingly wide vocabulary for such a young man, so I guess you’re right Pointman, he was listening all the while…lol

  255. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    meltemian says:
    August 13, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Interesting point. What if the blades develop some resonance in high winds that vibrate through the building?

    I once lived in the 1st floor of an apartment building above the automatic garage doors. The grinding vibrations of those big rollers up through the wall cavity at all hours of the day and night was enough to get us moved to another flat on another floor.

  256. Pointman says:


    The Sociolinguistic post I owe you! As a first guess, the “high-pitched nasal affectation” thing you refer to probably has a cultural meme as an origin. Kylie or some other cultural icon of their peer group probably has a distinct twang. If you aspire to be them, it’s both natural and cost free to pick up their speech patterns and if it’s successful, it becomes contagious within a peer group. In general, the nasal twang in English only appears in the American South, South Africa and the Antipodes; nowhere in the UK. I wonder if this is could be an adaptation to an aspect of the climate? A lot of the native Indians or Aztecs living in the Andes have large hooked noses. Evolutionary biologists suggest this is an adaptation to pre-heat the thin and cold air before it enters the lungs. Perhaps in a similar but undefined manner the nasal twang is developing in those English speaking regions of the world.

    Harking back to the original article, it mentions in passing the influence of outside and possibly threatening groups on the speech of a set of people. It’s a bit like a group finding their own group identity by evolving their own vocabulary and speech mannerisms. If you look over the posts here for the last few months, you’ll detect that happening. I certainly have.


  257. suffolkboy says:

    meltemian says: August 13, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    What if the blades develop some resonance in high winds that vibrate through the building?

    They just turn off the motors turning the blades. Simples. 😉

    But seriously, how do they turn the axis blades to follow the direction of the wind? They look pretty well fixed in direction to me. Or does the whole of the top of the building rotate 🙂 . We tried that in Suffolk in the 1803[1]. Worked well, but I don’t think it would scale up. I still think the ones on the Elephant are for display only.


  258. Blackswan Tasmania says:


    I agree with your recent observations here. It has an entirely different tone from the old days at the DT, even though most of the same people are involved.

    As for the group-speak observations, how mad is that young people around the world all speak like the black gangs in American movies?

    If the hot humid climate really makes people speak like cartoon characters, just as well AGW isn’t happening or we’d all be on Warner Bros payroll.

    I’m off to bed now, but I’ll give those noses some more thought and see if I can think of other physical characteristics that may have evolved from their environments.

    You always give us something interesting to contemplate……Thanks.

  259. Amerloque says:

    Hi NoIdea says: !
    August 13, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    In res Raser Technologies

    /// I am no accountant, but this doesn’t look too good to me, there are lots of other similar worrying statements. If there is any one with the skills needed to decipher that document in a more coherent way I would be interested to learn if I am reading the right conclusions based on my limited understanding.
    Is it as bad as I think it looks?///

    Sure as shootin’. (grin)

    Currently the stock is trading at something like USD0.39 per share. The US SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) mandates that the price of a share cannot be below USD1.00. If such an event occurs for a certain period (one month, say), the shares can/must be delisted. The SEC has recently warned Raser that it will be delisted, unless a plan of action to recover is filed soon. Delisting doesn’t mean the company is bankrupt, though – shares can be traded henceforth on the OTC (Over The Counter) market.

    One is entitled to wonder where the patents in the field of generators and induction motors will end up. (grin)

    (Disclaimer of liability: Amerloque is NOT advocating or recommending purchase of the shares in any way, shape or form. Caveat Emptor !)

    Amerloque 20100813 16h23 Paris time (CET)

  260. cory says:

    Thank you for the warm regards.

    On the squirrel eating a bird this comment really stood out:

    “squirrels can breath in space! did you know that?”

    We have the same problem with foreign species in the lovely land of South Florida in the form of a tropical fish called the Lionfish. They will hoover up pretty much anything they can wrap their mouth around and have no predators (hmmm sounds like my X). The Bahamians have even suspended their no spear gun rule to allow for Lionfish tournaments they call ‘Lionfish Smash” events.

    I am headed to Abacos this weekend with a green commie friend of mine that doesn’t allow killing of edible fish on his massive Buddy Davis (which is built for slaying fish) even though he runs a series of bars and restaurants that serve enough fish to fill just one of Al Gore’ mansions. So I’ll be bringing the sling.

    Good news from the states is that Cap n Trade (aka Cap n Tax) is probably on the ropes but who knows after the November elections as a lame duck Democrat left leaning lunatic Congress could go for broke. …but we are pretty confident that the Republican party will win back a good number of seats and more in 2014 and proceed to do F*ck all. So we are pretty much screwed.

    Have a great weekend,


    ps We still have our guns and enjoy shooting …. wait for it… squirrels. Hopefully we will not have to move up the food chain if things get bad but there is always that option.

  261. suffolkboy says:

    Pointman said on August 13, 2010 at 11:49 pm:

    It’s a bit like a group finding their own group identity by evolving their own vocabulary and speech mannerisms. If you look over the posts here for the last few months, you’ll detect that happening.

    Blackswan Tasmania said on August 14, 2010 at 12:15 am:

    […]how mad is that young people around the world all speak like the black gangs in American movies?

    Well observed, Swan, but don’t they do it only when they are in their gangs, as indeed does the gang here in the “Bar and Grill” does and Pointman mentions? I have certainly met cases in which one member of a white gang of teenagers rapping away in unintelligible cinematic gangspeak turn to me as I pass and say, “Excuse me, sir, but could you tell me the time, please? I’m afraid I left my watch at home.” (OK, I exaggerate, but you get the drift.) Go to a Greenie love-in or a local political party meeting and you get the same phenomenon of group-bonding jargon.

    The problem is not so much adopting the local linguistic conventions, but having more than one, preferably many, and being able to switch seamless to whichever is most appropriate at the time. (Perhaps the gang above is more educated than me, in that they speak both my language and their own, but I know only my own?)

    A special variant seems to exist in medical papers which seem to be optimised for opacity. I have heard somebody talking perfectly comprehensibly at a conference about something they had previously made unintelligible in the conference paper. Do medics have two distinguishable sub-divisions of gang language: the written and the spoken?

    Further links
    [1] http:// I can’t find the “Airport 1980!” spoof clip with the jive talk with subtitles (dubbed into Neapolitan dialect in the Italian version) between the stewardess and the passengers.

  262. suffolkboy says:

    cory says: August 14, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Squirrels can breath in space! did you know that?

    No I didn’t, but I knew that they swim on their backs…. to keep their nuts dry.

  263. Edward. says:

    @Pointman + Suffolkboy,

    My mother had many ways of speaking to me, all of them incomprehensible to me (and my father – though in Dad’s case I think it is know colloquially as; “cockin’ a deaf un”) too, though you knew, when she started talking in her BBC accented voice, that something bad was about to happen, never, never anything to do with me………………………………… .
    Dear mother, I did so try her patience and still do (left home many moons ago – she still doesn’t miss me), sorry mum!

  264. Edward. says:

    Good stuff from Roger here;

    “If scientists want to argue the case for mitigation and adaptation to climate change they should! But in such advocacy the scientific community should avoid making claims about causality of specific events that cannot be judged empirically, have no practical significance and serve only to add political intensity to a field that has seen more than its fair share of waging a political battle through science. ”

    The severe winter is forgotten, the summer’s weather extremes however are all in the news, forgotten is the fact that, parts of Siberia and Mongolia had savage winters, in some local cases unprecedented………. and at the moment the Southern Hemisphere is not even mentioned – good grief.

  265. fenbeagle says:

    Suffolkboy 10.50
    I did send them my proposal, which did, in fact have 36 turbines, and a pump storage facility. But they rejected it. (I don’t think their hearts are really in it.)

  266. Dr. Dave says:

    In my continuing quest to gain a better understanding of Australian politics I turned to that excellent source of unbiased information, YouTube.

    Actually I just wanted to know what Julia Gillard sounded like (she just sounds Australian to me). Perhaps I have another opportunity for a line of stupid questions. It is relatively easy to determine what part of the USA someone is from by their dialect (e.g. Chicago is very different from NY, Georgia and TX are quite different). Is the same true in Australia?

    Anyway…here are a few of my lessons: (our candidates throw knives) (parody is always revealing)

    I feel smarter already.

  267. NoIdea says:

    More dodgy temperature records, apologies if this link has been mentioned already.

    From a quote by NOAA’s Chuck Pistis (a newt?) I was intrigued to note that a service had been arranged to monitor coats. “since the inauguration of our Coatwatch service in 1994. I have never seen one like this.”

    What is it with melons and coats that cause them so much confusion?


  268. scud1 says:

    August 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Hi SB…

    8%???!!…I’ve been passing this monstrosity backwards and forwards now for more than a week and have yet to witness the blades of those ‘token greenie’ turbines complete a single revolution…looks to me like a gigantic electric shaver that someone’s forgotten to re-charge.

    BTW…Anyone know what the solar panels beside the rail tracks of London are all about? Hundreds of ’em…most daubed with crudely sprayed words like ‘F**k and ‘C**t’. Guessing, but I bet the spray paint doesn’t assist efficiency…for whatever it is they’re supposed to be efficient at.

  269. scud1 says:

    Oh yeah…I just wanted to add to my silly (but true) list.
    Common Purpose (for those that don’t know) are a Fabian / Marxist / communitarian / pro EU Totalitarian outfit who actively seek to undermine democracy by infiltration…which would make them a bunch of treacherous c***s (addition)

    Again…Just what the flying ‘F’ was Cameron doing, paying a friendly visit to CP in Bangalore?

  270. manonthemoor says:

    Is this perhaps the first nail in the financial scam of carbon measurement and trading for businesses in the UK.

    British companies have to provide any old details by 30th September, with full compliance by April 2011.

    Just could not make this stupidity up!!!

    AGW is a Scam .. Always was a scam …. Always will be a scam

    Wake up UK business please.
    Non submission, bad estimates or wrongful practice — In fct almost anything will invoke heavy fine on already stressed UK businesses.

  271. suffolkboy says:

    Some teething problems
    scud1 said on August 14, 2010 at 5:37 am

    […]I’ve been passing this monstrosity backwards and forwards now for more than a week and have yet to witness the blades of those ‘token greenie’ turbines complete a single revolution[…]

    Au contraire, scud1 …

    one of the Strata turbines is on!!

    (Reported in
    (Wow! so it’s generating about 3% of that buildings energy needs, assuming that it isn’t motoring for display purposes only – SB.)

    For services to greenwash, urban impropriety and sheer breakfast- extracting ugliness, we hereby award the 2010 Carbuncle Cup to the Strata tower.

    The turbine has an expected life of 15 years and would generate enough power to supply four average households each day.

    (This is the proposed Tesco one:

    14 wind turbines were installed on the roof of the headquarters of the Mayor’s Climate Change Agency and operated for barely six weeks before they were recalled by the manufacturer.

    (This is the Palestra installation:

    Meanwhile the turbines on the roof of the BT telephone exchange at Colombo House remain out of action after local residents complained about the loud noise.

    (This is the Columbo installation:

  272. suffolkboy says:

    suffolkboy says: August 14, 2010 at 7:26 am
    Royal Academy? Aesthetics? “artistic merit”? “The Strata is intended to be a statement about the regeneration of Elephant & Castle and statement buildings won’t appeal to everybody.” So it’s all about appearance and image and architecture, not engineering, and certainly not climate. What about details such as whether they work or not? And I see all the powers quoted, if you can find any, are in kW.

    Although the turbines had been working properly, the London Climate Change Agency has taken the precaution of responding to the manufacturer’s recall. They are due to be re-installed in around a month’s time following checks.

    (30th Jan 2007.

  273. Pointman says:


    windmills and all that jazz, it’s just a matter of faith


  274. Ozboy says:

    We appear to have moved away from China for the time being, so here’s a new thread for you.



  275. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    suffolkboy says:
    August 14, 2010 at 7:26 am

    This was previously posted by Ozboy – could do with a re-run in the light of your links……..

    Is there anywhere at all where these contraptions are successful?

  276. Stop Global Dumbing Now says:

    I know I’m a little late and may have missed last call. I read this a few days ago and have been chewing on it ever since. I want to thank you both Locusts and Ozboy for posting this. It was both illuminating and frightening. It confirmed many things I had suspected and brought to light some things I hadn’t. Stay warm down under.

  277. Locusts says:

    Thanks for reading T. Some of the sentences are rather pointed aren’t they?

  278. Locusts says:

    I’ll post this here, as this is still ostensibly the China thread.

    Marketed to the right people, this milk powder could make a killing.

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  280. Mike says:

    I briefly scanned down to this line…”It was as if the freezing cold winter was having a laugh at all of these “Global Warming” theories” and that was enough to show that the writer is totally ignorant of even the most basic tenets of climate change science (never mind the bizarre anthropomorphism of ‘the winter’ laughing at ‘theories’) I’m a teacher and my job is to inform, teach, dispel ignorance, bring understanding to young minds. I suggest that this writer read some of the basic literature on climate change, freely available online, before making a fool of himself again with sentences like the above.

  281. Locusts says:


    Thanks for coming, and also commenting. Did you manage to read the entire thing, or did your eyes just glaze over in shock? However well versed you feel the author to be in all things environmental, the potential political ramifications of the text made me feel it worth my while to spend the time translating it.

    This book is available in all good bookshops over there. Whether children are forced to read it, I don’t know. I can only say that I have not forced one single child to read it since converting it in to slightly sloppy English. As a teacher of children, I assume you are aware that anthropomorphic metaphors are a common literary device?

    If you feel up to the task of dispelling climate change ignorance, there really is quite a lot of ignorance to be dispelled on these boards. Some of the posters here even have children.

    By the way, this is only the introduction of a 250 page book, with graphs and tables and all sorts. If you’d like to read more of it, feel free to donate, and thanks again!

  282. Pointman says:

    ” … basic tenets of climate change science …”

    tenet [ˈtɛnɪt ˈtiːnɪt]
    a belief, opinion, or dogma

    A belief has no place in science except as a conjecture. Thank God my kids aren’t being instructed by the fucking idiot.


  283. NoIdea says:


    Perhaps instead of briefly scanning you should try reading and comprehending.
    Your post is enough to show that you really do not know of which you speak (never mind your inability to cope with a metaphoric meteorological anthropomorphism of ‘the winter’ whilst AGW is just fine?)
    I suggest you read some of the comments and the article itself that are freely available, right here at Oz’s online, before making a fool of yourself again with paragraphs like the above.


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  285. Basil Brush says:

    Fantastic job on the translation!

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