Ozboy here. As you may have noticed recently, I haven’t had as much time as I’d like to spend here creating posts. Rather than me offering another mere one-paragraph “spill post”, MemoryVault has kindly offered his services in the interim, with a continuation of an argument over the ozone hole, begun the other day. MemoryVault, the floor is yours…
ORGANIC BABY MAKING 101 FOR LESBIANS
The Fallacy of Debating “Post-Modern” Science With Cultists
As regulars know, last week somebody posted a link to an article drawing similarities between the current AGW scam, and the previous “Ozone Hole” fraud. It was a slow day here at the Oz Bar and Grill, so I knocked together a few interesting facts about what ozone is and isn’t; why, in any real sense of the word there is no “ozone hole”; and how, just as with the AGW scam, in the end it had all been about money.
Naturally, like flies to a rubbish bin, this attracted the attention of our resident AGW MMidiot, also know as izen. Far more interestingly however, the article was reposted somewhere else, where it was commented on by unknown persons, who, for the purpose of this article, I’ll call FORM.
FORM’s “rebuttal” was duly reposted here, to which I replied. This too, was obviously reposted wherever, and FORM once again replied, which again was reposted here. This folks, is what is known as the “Post-Modern Mamba” and I’ll explain how it goes. Yes, I’ll get to the lesbians in a minute.
The Post Modern Mamba is a dance routinely performed in AGW Land. It goes like this. A sceptical post is “rebutted” using all the tricks of the trade available to post-modern AGW cultists. They HAVE to use these tricks, since they can’t possibly argue the science. If you doubt this, we’ll take an in-depth look at some of FORM’s answers / tactics in a moment.
The outstanding feature of the Post Modern Mamba rebuttal is that is it all seems so reasonable. That’s because it usually is. At least at first glance. And at least as long as you don’t look too closely at what was being debated in the first place. Close examination usually reveals that the rebuttal, at best, usually only has some passing association with the actual debated subject. Often it has no bearing at all and by sleight of hand is actually about something entirely different.
Like trying to argue apples and oranges, which is a favourite tactic of cultists in general, and FORM in particular. MMidiot tries too, but to be successful requires a tad more knowledge than how to cut and paste. Anyway, the point of the Post Modern Mamba is not to actually WIN a debate. It’s to wear the sceptic down.
There are only one of two outcomes to the Post-Modern Mamba; either the sceptic gives up in disgust, in which case the cultists declare victory, or the sceptic devotes sufficient time and energy to eventually rebut every slippery, slimy tactic employed, in which case their final reply is simply not posted; it is “moderated” out of existence a la JD’s blog at the DT. Either way, the cultists declare “victory”.
That’s what was supposed to happen in this case, except I decided not to play and instead to write about lesbians, since they seem to be in vogue here at the moment.
So, let’s have a look at the tactics employed. We need not go further than FORMS very first paragraph.
“The Dobson unit is a measure of ozone in a column, but it has nothing to do with imagining it to be compressed at sea level. Instead, it’s a measure of the total amount of ozone. Yes, the units are in dekamicrons (how’s that for a bastardized unit?), but 10 µm at IUPAC standard temperature and pressure is just a different way to express the number of molecules.”
Gee, it all sounds so, well, learned, doesn’t it? So wise. So clever. But what does it REALLY say? Let’s look closer at its component bits:
“IUPAC standard temperature and pressure” (STP). IUPAC stands for the International Union of Pure & Applied Chemistry, and they are one of several bodies that have a standard definition for what constitutes STP.
“µm” on the other hand, stands for “micrometre” (actually the m is redundant, but let’s not be picky). A micrometre (informally called a micron) is a millionth of a metre. But a metre is a unit of length. What does a unit of length have to do with STP or the people who set the standard for STP?
SFA, folks, SFA, but, gee it looks impressive stuck there in the middle of the sentence. Pity, cos to try and derive what is being stated, or not, as the case may be, we have to discard it. What are we left with?
“Micrometres is just a different way to express the number of molecules.” Still sound reasonable? Learned? Wise? If you are unsure, consider this: “micrometres” are a measure of length, and “the number of molecules” is exactly that – a quantity of “things”. So let’s play substitute measures of length and quantities of things. Here’s some examples:
Inches is just a different way to express the number of football fields.
Miles is just a different way to express the number of toadstools.
Light-years is just a different way to express the number of watermelons.
(Excuse the bad syntax, but that, after all, is what is written.)
Hopefully, you are getting the picture. Ultimately what this entire paragraph says, is that a Dobson Unit is the measure of the total amount of ozone in a column of air extending from sea level to the outer reaches of the atmosphere (a LENGTH of some 35 kilometres), and it is expressed as a thickness (LENGTH) measured in millionths of a metre (actually approximately 300 microns), and somehow we accomplish this by NOT imagining the ozone compressed into a “layer” of its component molecules.
But then, I suppose, in post-modern science, 35 kilometres can fit into three hundred millionths of a metre as many times as need be, to support the consensus. After all, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Okay, I admit that bit had nothing to do with lesbians, but we’re getting there.
In my little article I stated that “ozone is not the natural state of oxygen” to which FORMS replied:
“It’s (ozone) quite natural – it occurs in nature all the time in the ozone layer! Not at all stable at sea level, sure, and not even highly stable in the stratosphere, but it’s not unnatural”.
So, the presented line is that, if something occurs, it’s natural. In the MV household, water coming out of the tap is pretty much at room temperature. I’m sure it’s the same for you. If we take some of that room temperature water and put it in the kettle, guess what? It stays at room temperature. Only AFTER we turn the switch on, and apply energy in the form of heat, does the water warm and eventually boil.
Yes, it could be said that the hot water is natural too – it’s naturally what happens when you apply energy to water. But until and unless you do add energy, then the colder state of water is, and will always remain, the “natural” state.
Oxygen (O2) is the “natural” state of oxygen, and the state it will remain in, until extra, external energy is applied. With our water, it was the heating element, with oxygen, it is sunlight. To prove the point, how many of you, if you were swimming in the ocean and suddenly found yourself in boiling water would immediately think “wow – this is so, so . . . . natural”.
I had to include that bit because FORMS idea of what is natural plays a part in how lesbians can make organic (natural) babies. See, I told you we were getting there.
Before we move on to the actual lesbians however, let’s see what FORMS has to say about Dobson because it demonstrates so succinctly how cultists – sorry, post-modernists “debate” the facts.
For those of you who came in late, what I said in my original article was that, despite the ridiculous crap we are presented with today, as long ago as the 1950’s ozone depletion at the poles was recognised as a natural phenomenon, due to the lack of sunlight to turn oxygen into ozone during the winter.
Professor Gordon Dobson figured if he could show ozone was, in fact, coming into this depleted area he could prove the existence of the now well-known slipstream air currents. To this end he invented the Dobson Spectrophotometer, and the Dobson Unit. With these tools he demonstrated the existence and direction of the slipstream currents. For these achievements he was named International Geophysical Man of the Year in 1957.
Dobson, his very existence, his work with what was, to him, a perfectly naturally occurring annual depletion of ozone as far back as 1957, his development of the Dobson Unit and exactly what that is, and his use of all this to prove the existence of the slipstream currents, was, in fact, the crux of the whole argument presented by me.
So how does FORMS handle these inconvenient facts, embarrassing dates, and irrefutable outcomes? Like this:
“And slipstream currents – can we drop them from the discussion? They exist, and nobody is denying them. Nobody denies they move ozone around. The fact that Dobson discovered them has no bearing on the debate.”
In other words, let’s ignore the fact that this guy Dobson was working with, what to him was a natural phenomenon, nearly thirty years before we decided to rediscover it, rename it a “hole”, and declare it a “man-made” environmental catastrophe. Hell, he even invented the means and technology by which we measure it, to this day. But hey, he and his work have no bearing on the debate at all. In fact, let’s go discuss bromofluorocarbons instead (which is precisely where FORMS went).
I could go on with lots more examples, but I’m sure you get the picture, and I know you’re getting impatient for the lesbians. So let’s get to the interesting bit.
Both MMidiot and FORMS made much ado about the fact that CFCs had been shown to be able to be broken down by UV light under laboratory conditions to produce Chlorine (Chlorine Dioxide – ClO2, and Chlorine Monoxide – ClO). These are two gases which have been claimed to break down ozone, so it’s very important for cultists to try and show a link between them and CFCs. CFC molecules are far too stable to do any actual damage themselves, you see.
I countered with the point that, outside of the lab, this breakdown had NEVER actually been observed, and so therefore it was far more likely that the Chlorine gases came from other sources which were several orders of magnitude more common – like from volcanoes for instance. However, it is vital to the post-modern ozone hole script that the Chlorine comes from the breakdown of CFCs, even if this had only ever been observed under careful laboratory conditions, and regardless of other sources.
So FORMS countered by telling us, in no uncertain terms, that since the mechanism which fits the fairy story has been shown to occur in the lab, and the necessary materials are found in the atmosphere, and there has been an observed depletion of ozone as foretold in the fairy story, then to hell with any other inconvenient facts, the fairy story is true. In FORMS own words (part quote):
“I find the rejection of lab studies laughable. . . . . The mechanism is there, the necessary materials and conditions are found in the atmosphere, and there is observed ozone depletion. That’s a pretty good scientific argument in the absence of counterevidence” (like the absence of sunlight, which we ignored from the start, or slipstream currents, which we discounted offhand earlier, or volcanic Chlorine, which doesn’t fit the fairy story).
Well, anyway, it was this post-modern “scientific” concept that, if it happened in the lab, then not only is it true, it is the best possible explanation for what happens in “real” life, and in fact is undoubtedly happening all around us, that got me thinking about lesbians and organic babies.
You see, a few years ago now a group of genetics type scientists demonstrated, in a lab, that they could fertilise an egg using chromosomes and other bits and pieces from another egg. Under lab conditions they were able to demonstrate that the male sperm bit could, in fact, be done away with.
Well! Didn’t the left-wing man-eating rampant women’s libbers have a ball with that? For about six months all the female orientated tabloids featured articles about how men were soon to be made redundant and could be allowed to die out, and what a wonderful, better world it would be for all the females who would then be able to finally live in peace. For instance, no more squabbling about putting the toilet seat down, and other important stuff like that.
So I decided to apply FORM’s post modern logic to the idea of exclusively female fertilisation of eggs naturally. After all, it’s been established in a lab, the mechanism is there (lesbian sex), the necessary materials (females) and conditions (female-female sexual attraction) are found in the community, and there is observed fertilisation (like FORM, we’ll just ignore any other possible causes of this – like heterosexual sex, which might interfere with the fantasy err experiment). That’s a pretty good post-modern scientific argument in the absence of counterevidence (like, ahh, it’s never actually been observed to happen in real life, and hetrosex accomplishes the same thing all the time).
I quickly rejected the idea of just approaching a couple of lesbians; after all, I’m pretty old and I’d like to see this experiment concluded in a reasonable timeframe. So instead I initially settled on the idea of a very big house chock full of lesbians, all going at it, day and night. You know, like on one of those reality TV shows where they stick a whole heap of wannabe models in a big house together and see how long it takes for the bitchiness to start.
Naturally being a scientific experiment, we’d need colour CCTV in every room, with panning and zoom capabilities. Wouldn’t want to miss capturing that moment of post-modern conception, would we?
Then I realised that this was a medical experiment, and that meant establishing double-blind controls. That means we need not one, but a whole heap of big houses full of lesbians, with some of them on the pill, some of them actually post-op trans-gender shemales, and so on. Maybe we could put in viewing galleries and charge an entrance fee?
All that’s left now is to figure out a “climate change” angle, so we can get funding over several years to continue our experiment.
Failing that, maybe Walt can get us an advance on the pending DVD sales.
The mind boggles when grasshoppers are found in clever spiders’ webs, seeking to demolish those they spuriously call friend.