Wheels Within Wheels

This is just a very brief post as the last one is growing a tad long (and slow).

I’m just reading a very strange conspiracy story here, linking BP and the Lockerbie bombing. Even our own Captain Sherlock couldn’t make this stuff up, yet it’s happening today! Wheels within wheels…

Urgent business calls me away today, my next full post within 2-3 days. Also I’ll announce the writing competition winners.

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345 Responses to Wheels Within Wheels

  1. crownarmourer says:

    First post is mine yeeesss.

  2. crownarmourer says:

    hmm so BP probably helped finance a few peoples campaigns and some relative may have gotten jobs or a directorship is waiting in the wings, to facilitate this mans release who may live another 10 years apparently considering he had 6 months to live. Don’t tell me American companies don’t do this kind of thing even though it is against US law.

  3. Old Toad says:

    I don’t doubt the BP involvement and in a moment you’ll see why, but the reason why Megrahi was released is actually more simple. First off, Megrahi might have been in the Libyan secret service at the time but he was innocent of the crime. The evidence against him was fabricated by the CIA who needed a Libyan to take the rap rather than an Iranian or a Syrian (The US was then making overtures to these two countries at the time).
    Megrahi must have been offered a large financial inducement to accept responsibilty and was prepared to do so, provided that once the hue & cry had died down he would be quietly released. All went well until Megrahi was told that he was going stay incarcerated until he died, when the balloon went up.
    However against just such an eventuality, Megrahi had provided his solicitor with every last detail of all he knew of Libyan intelligence, naming names etc.
    Probably with copies in the UK & Libya. This info was going to be released unless he was liberated forthwith.
    A very worried Ghadaffi then enlisted the aid of everyone he knew to help get Megrahi out. Amongst these ‘friends’ was BP, who told the UK government in effect.
    get this bugger home and we can have all the concessions we want, keep him in jail
    and we could find ourselves out of Libya.
    No contest, the so-called Scottish ‘parliament’ was told in no uncertain terms, what they had to do and the rest is history.

  4. Crownarmourer, you might get a big kick out of two books from the 1930’s and 1940’s respectively relating to American corruption which is still in place only bigger and less accountable: Gargle, Arsebook, and MegaHard have invented crimes for which there are not even names yet. The first is “The Big Money” by John dos Passos and the second is “The Red Harvest” by Dashiell Hammett.

    …and both those writers were crooks too, but on a different level entirely, from the Left.

    let’s just push the Big Red Button and get it over with. The suspense is killing me LOL!

  5. NoIdea says:

    Dihydrogen Monoxide

    ‘Water Water Everywhere and not a Drop to Drink’

    A very old saying and now we have a hosepipe ban, again.

    Silly bullies ‘We are on an island surrounded by water – The Sea’

    Water is fundaments to life as we know it (Jim) are we not ugly bags of mostly water?
    Water comes in so many forms:-

    Oceans, Lakes, Seas, Reservoirs, Duck Ponds and Puddles.
    Rain, Snow, Hail, Mist, Fog, Clouds, Steam and ruddles
    Rivers, Canals, Streams, Springs, Glaciers, Ice caps and Gutters.
    (and these are a few of my favorite things)
    Bottled Water, Still Water, Well Water and Soda Water even Icebergs and pee.
    And my old favorite Peckham Spring water!

    Without water our world would be a dry lifeless desert, an empty desolate place.
    And yet our imperfect world is the ultimate recycling agent for this mandatory fluid upon which all our lives depend.

    We should thus be grateful for weather, for it is weather that is the driving force for this marvelous recycling washing machine, much better than anything invented by humans.

    Water in all its forms is transposed and transported by nature into any one of the alternatives, indeed it is quoted that the river Severn in Gloucester has passed through the human cycle 3 times between Shrewsbury and the sea. (Eww, I am not drinking 7up again!)

    And yet we have a drought in the NW of England with hosepipe penalties of £1000, what madness. (Unless of course it is a measure taken to help prevent flooding!)

    The water utilities operate on a ‘cost plus ‘ basis, — Pay us what we demand and we will be as inefficient as we like and waste as much water as we like, the sucker customer will always pay our profits.

    The real situation is actually worse since the water companies actually charge us for providing damaged and ineffective drainage for OUR water. Some time ago I remember where the water companies were pleading for people to use toilets MORE because so much water was being saved the sewage system and processing was crashing.

    As with Electricity and Oil etc we the public are being held to ransom by the utilities in the support of short term profit

    Where will it all end?

    NoIdea.
    many thanks to Manonthemoor for the concept.

  6. crownarmourer says:

    Old toad I had forgotten a lot of that thanks for the reminder.

  7. Truman’s shiny new CIA sprang half the Gehlen Bureau and thousands of other Nazis after WW II to conduct clandestine op’s behind the Iron Curtain, most of which we have since found were fictitious missions invented by said Huns for gain and grins. Nothing new at all.

    Why aid friends when you can help your enemies? I doan geddit either.

  8. Pointman says:

    Walt, what a piece of work Gehlen was. As the third Reich crumbled he stuffed oil drums with files, welded the tops back on them, buried them and found the nearest American unit to surrender to. Within months the boss of the OKW was back in the saddle and in the same place as a director of operations against the rodina for the Allies rather than the Nazis.

    Pointman

  9. Old Toad says:

    While I’m here you might be interested in a few points from last nights Show, (THE CLIMATEGATE DEBATE) which was truly the most interesting 12 quid I’ve ever spent (train and taxi added another £60 however).
    There were 3 double acts, Monbiot & Pearce (Ant & Dec), McIntyre & Keenan (the hit men) Davies & Watson (the 2 comedy ‘professors’).
    Monbiot was in control and he loved it (A paxman in waiting). For some strange reason he allowed alternate questioning by females and males. So first up was a girl in front of me who said “My name’s Julia and I was at Copenhagen” She didn’t want to ask a question, just to tell the world what a little heroine she is. Hopefully she’ll mature.
    McIntyre was measured, poker-faced and totally in control of his facts. Keenan was at his best and repeated his accusations of fraud by Phil Jones over the Chinese weather stations.
    However what nobody realised until this fascinating drama had fully unfolded, was that ‘Ant & Dec’ weren’t out to debate with McIntyre (who in their right mind would?)
    no, they wanted to witness the total humiliation of the man from UEA.
    Shakespeare would have re-written ‘Julius Caesar’ if he’d watched McIntyre administer the coup-de-grace.
    I have to point you towards Fred Pearce’s book ‘The Climate Files’ if you want fully to understand why this happened. It’s really about the three ‘whitewashes’ Parliamentary, Oxburgh and Muir Russell which have so disgusted so many people.

  10. crownarmourer says:

    noIdea rent a movie called water wars it’s documentary and a bit lefty but it does explain why water companies don’t give a damn. Time to be renationalized methinks.

  11. NoIdea says:

    Chapter 13

    Nine plus nine minus nine equals twenty two

    June the twenty first 2030 just before lunch time

    Somewhere in a crack between the Void and the Abyss, on a shard of amethyst, now no longer illustrious purple nor shot with white and tinted with violet and blues, with no gentle shimmering glimmer of translucence. Now this home to three vile intellects for nearly a year has become tainted and oozing with foul odiferous whiffs, darkened and blackened with strange enigmatic soots of various shades of utter blackness. There is a dark obnoxious fog of exhaled gases streaked with tints of green from un-caught sneezes, swirly mists and hazy streaks are swirling on thermal transfer exchange systems.
    Deep within this horrid soup the three niners known as Crowley, Parsons and Hubbard had just started the insane ritual to set in motion the complex chains of causality that would metaphorically speaking kill several birds with one spell and throw two of them back into the fray of history from whence they had been squeezed, the one unknowingly being used as fuel for the metaphysical examination, correlation and fixation. The tools already obtained by Crowley to enable this aberrant mission had been obtained only at great cost, an arm and a leg in fact, both from the no longer jowled and incredibly skinny Hubbard.
    Crowley and Parsons had managed to develop the telepathic bond they used to communicate in front of the hapless soon to be victim of a fate far worse than death.
    ‘You are sure about this old man? I mean I know you are a whizz at all this mambo jumbo stuff and you have got us the Voynich manuscript and Dees obsidian mirror to read it, but do you really think Hubbard will fall for the old yo-yo, you stay, we go, heave ho?’ “But of course I am sure whelp, for am I not the prophet chosen and spoken of in all the histories, you just do your part and all will be fine or my name isn’t Aleister Crowley and I am the god of hellfire and directed pareidolia.”
    Hubbard oblivious to this exchange, hopped around in an ungainly fashion, fidgeting and faffing with the sacred objects that had been laid out on the altar, he winced as he tried to scratch his missing leg with his missing arm, he shivered as he remembered how he had been tricked by the other two, they had told him that at last it was his turn and he was to share in the everyday cup of man fat ritual that big A was using to keep them sustained on this bleak outcrop of abbevillian crystal. He had worried at the time that perhaps the method of ritual had changed now it was his turn, all the cutting had thrown him for a loop, he had expected his turn sucking on the withered nadgers of either big A or big P, they had always insisted in only sucking at each others teat whilst milking Hubbard into the cup where they would share it, never even letting Hubbard lick out the congealed smegma left in the bottom of the sacred vessel. He remembered as the two of them had sucked at his stumps after hacking his limbs from him, slurping and burping as they guzzled his life blood in between the chants they had used to keep him alive. As Al liked to remind him these days he was effectively immortal, now that he was sullied across so many realms, no afterlife would touch him, big Al always loved to chuckle whenever he reminded Hubbard of this favour he had done him.
    “We must make sure we take every facet of each slice from every reality we need to adapt and alter” slathered Al into Parsons Amygdalate amygdale “remember the vital nexus points we discussed!” he thrust in with a mental snarl.
    “I know, I remember, keep your hair on” Parsons thrust back, immediately regretting his choice of anti-hirsuteness thought, and immediately attempting to cover by mentally blithering on
    “British aristocrat Cecil Rhodes to return the United States and the rest of the world back under British rule. Check. Remember not to drop mercury fulminate and die. Check. The ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, Check, the consolidation of the whole Empire, check, the inauguration of a system of colonial Representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed Members of the Empire, check, which may well ultimately be achieved, by the Roundtable which publicized the idea of and the name ‘British Commonwealth of Nations. ‘Check.” He mentally gasped for metaphorical metaphysical air and continued…
    “The establishment of huge financial monopolies: finance, publishing, oil, sugar, steel, medicine, railways, liquor, food, clothing — containing reservoirs of colossal wealth upon which sheeple must depend in order to exist. The sheeple must be deprived of their farms and ranches which will be achieved by loading them with debts which must be ruthlessly exploited. Check. We shall erase from memory of men all facts of previous centuries which are undesirable to us and leave only those which depict all errors committed by sheeple governments. There will be no such thing as freedom of instruction. All people will be initiated into one faith: Check. No dabbling in scientific affairs will be allowed the sheeple. Anyone leading an opposition movement will be put to trial in the same category as thieving or murder, or any other abominable and filthy crime. Citizens will have no more influence or control in the affairs of science than a herd of livestock or cattle. Check. (gasp)
    Agenda 21 the club of Rome the United Nations the world health organization the world wildlife fund, Fabian solutions, the world wide wresting federation the beeb bee see the eye tea vee the illuminati the eliminatorati the ayatollah hominy the Hollywood the Swiss the global swizz that takes the peace the A bomb the B bomb the C and The D E F G and H bomb the Manhattan project the Port Chicago first test the Bilderbergers the political benders the financial lenders the blackmailing leaches the lawyers and teachers the green and the red the live and the dead the zombie forces throwing their feces instead the sleepers and the sheepers the flitters and leapers the filterers and moderators the Al Gore law passers the masons the churches the charities the credit crunches the Monsanto groupies the bleeders, red flags, false flags,”
    A further gasp, and on…
    “ In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression to all sides to many contradictory opinions, and for such a length of time as will suffice to make the sheeple lose their heads in the labyrinth, and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion in matters political, which it is not given to the public to understand because they are understood only by him who guides the public …did I miss any one?
    Big Al Crowley glared back
    “Yes of course you did you blithering idiot, Sir A.S.E (whose name must never be spoken) Elvis, Einstein and Tesla, Hitler and operation paperclip, pearl harbour, operation ore, the Franklin cover-up, all of the ‘gates’ especially Bill Gates, the face bookers, the bilge bloggers, the big bloggers, the big bopper, the big burgers, the Pepsi and the other cola, the water, the air, the whores and the holes, the weather, the dwelling proles, the trolls and the lurkers we MUST Egregiously CONTROL ALL!
    Come now let us start the cremation of care ritual that will allow us to influence and control all of the past and the future and the now…MWAHAHAHAhah ha” he guffawed cerebrally.
    With this Big AL C and little Jo P grabbed hold of Hubbard with his fat dirty fingers and thrust him viciously on to the foul altar, with which they mean to alter, all time and all space, by cutting his face.
    Crowley cracked his rectal maw and slid in his sneaky roddy Cam bell end, his possessive dire erection, and now it was time for him to chant and sing…
    Tedious innocence

    Always a glitch here and glitch there
    Until black is white and green is red
    Lies upon lies strip the truth bare
    Now the sky ain’t blue, its see though
    Bullshit to drive you out of your head

    Nearly always a head in a jar on Futurama
    Talking heads of corporate smegs
    Ya know they don’t really wanna harm ya
    They just want you dead
    Or doing what ya told by the voices in ya head

    Nervous silence, did I say too much?
    Truth to the sheeple, pigs in muck
    Pearls before swine, just don’t give a f…flying
    Carbon footprints with carbon tax
    All they are lacking is truth or facts

    Rebuttals of four arms taken silently down
    Forums of dissention removed
    Insert abnormal reasonable clowns
    Car crash horror slowly improved

    Chanting pious chorus, that sounds good
    It’s your entire fault for breathing/breeding
    The mantra of the rich iguana guardianista
    Seem to think its time to change our vista

    Spellchecking genius changes my song
    Stupid freaking thing keeps getting it wrong
    I hope the emperor has an excuse about
    Turd jokes and how the big guns are out

    With a suspect melon do you slice it in two?
    See if it bleeds red and smells of who?
    Do you think this is the start of the bend?
    When will this sick joke ever freaking end?

    Hide the decline, spin them a line
    Blither tree huggers watermelon gone
    Deep undercover the penny has dropped
    The shilling is taken forever in denial

    Never and no-one, No-one its clear
    Can ever be heard, must never be herd
    Best never exist through history
    Back to the beginning and still no idea

    There was a wailing keening bubbling screaming through the red bloody froth on Hubbard’s lips, lightning flickered and played in abnormal colours the subsonic woofs of the incredible thunders hitting the resonant frequency (Gordian Brownian noise) of the human bowels and causing all to flow sunder, cascading and squirting covering all of them in vile black diarrhea. Crowley blinked the runny unholy excrement from his piggy little eyes and continued…

    “Now is the time to shatter and remove reality
    Take that part known as chapter twelve from existence
    Without this they cannot make a difference
    And so for them it is back to the beginning
    Just at the moment that they should be winning
    Take out the banned band Primary Slave
    Thenceforth they will not be so brave
    BACK TO THE BEGINNING!
    Wheels within wheels
    Everything changed
    Evil must triumph
    For us to be saved

    All the while he continued to cut new glyphs onto Hubbard’s face and torso whilst staring intently into his obsidian scrying device.

    “It is done; it is happening” chortled Big Al “Cogito ergo sum, we can come and go as we please, through time and the realms of reality. We have been exalted to elevens”
    Little Jo P replied with a frown “why does the entrance to everywhere and when have to be in Hubbards holes?”

    To be continued…?

    NoIdea

  12. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Morning All,

    Is this a taste of things to come everywhere?

    Will Israel lock ’em up and lose the keys? Let’s hope so………

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/activists-infiltrate-israel-power-plant/story-e6freuyi-1225892483739
    .

  13. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    It looks as though our worst-case scenarios on Brick O’Bummer have actually come to pass, way earlier than I would have thought……..

    If this doesn’t have Americans yelling “enough is enough”, nothing will.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/animal-fat-algae-vegetable-oil-could-fuel-us-aircraft/story-e6frev00-1225892356581

  14. crownarmourer says:

    well I’m having jolly good fun winding up fab delusions on James d’s blog gotten it to call me a racist by regaling him of what I know of a local boy Nathan Bedford Forrest and founder member of the KKK, although he later quit as they started going down an evil path even for him.

  15. orkneylad says:

    NoIdea – ‘Always a glitch here and glitch there’

    Yes sir, I do like it…….one for the anthologies of century 22?
    Bloody hope so.

    Best,
    OL

  16. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Harking back to your earlier thread Oz……..

    These mongrels are still in the Commonwealth along with Mugabe. Any comment from HM? Perhaps not.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/critic-of-rwandan-government-hacked-to-death-as-election-looms-20100715-10cre.html

  17. crownarmourer says:

    from fab-delusions…Are you being serious????

    KKKrownarmourer, you are the most shameless racist and reactionary I’ve met on these blogs – and that’s saying something.

    You are a foul and atrocious animal. I feel soiled talking to you. I feel unclean posting on the same blog as you.

  18. crownarmourer says:

    He he he he he I’m getting under his/her/it’s skin.

  19. Old Toad says:

    Black Swan. If Algae’s so fuckin marvellous why is nobody using it ? It’s becoming ever more plentiful. As we all know, the best source of bio-oil is oilpalm, obtained by tearing up rainforests and replacing them . Permissible of course because they’re still trees. Still if this helps to finish off O’B !

  20. Old Toad says:

    Black Swan. If Algae’s so fuckin marvellous why is nobody using it ? It’s becoming ever more plentiful. As we all know, the best source of bio-oil is oilpalm, obtained by tearing up rainforests and replacing them . Permissible of course because they’re still trees. Still if this helps to finish off O’B !
    Crown. Why is it always wimmin (Fab-del)? There was one in the queue in front of me for Pearce’s book. “Oh Fred, will you dedicate to the children I teach, that there might be a future for them” (Silly cow)

  21. crownarmourer says:

    old toad and blackswan they are testing out algae farms in the desert out west I’m not sure whether they have been economic or not to run. The energy is mostly free to grow the algae.

  22. crownarmourer says:
    July 16, 2010 at 8:20 am

    I’ve not heard her Thingness so agitated before. What you don’t understand is that only whites of Judeo-Christian heritage can be racists, everyone else can be whatever they like to whomever they like, as murderously as they like. What’s more, you had better pay with a glad heart for everyone else’s delusional self-destructive schemes while ignoring your own needs or you will pay with your life, ultimately.

  23. Algal pond cultivation for fuels and lubricants is actually a fairly old process. The biggest holdup, and it is quite hilarious if you work in the energy field, is the same chemicals used to strip CO2 and sulfur from Fischer-Tropsch process generated coal gas for the production of CH4 (methane), DME or DMEA, are used to strip away the fuel and lube components from algae. Can’t make DME or DMEA unless you are using petroleum as the feedstock. D’oh!

    Before I could not spell organic. Now I are one.

  24. Speaking of black racism versus white racism, we have a black man in Syracuse named Otis Jennings who heads the local Conservative Party. He is a self-made general contractor who once headed up public works for the City with great success, especially his urban parks renewal and floral and silvicultural renaissance for the town while overseeing the laying of the City’s groundwork for the cleanup of Lake Onondaga. All this while the City was for all intents and purposes broke.

    You should hear him lay into greentardish Stokely Carmichael-type black liberals out to do in the White Man. He ran for mayor and lost in the primaries but it would have done wonders for my neighborhood if he had won.

  25. crownarmourer says:

    Walt it was fun winding her/it/he up all it took was to quote a quickie history lesson of good ole Nathan a very straight forward git her done kind of man, lucky for the north the south didn’t have too many of his caliber or you’d be whistling dixie now. Was he racist by the standards of his day probably not by our standards yes, back then he traded in slaves nowadays he would be selling cars. Well he’s dead and buried let the eternal deities sort it out.

  26. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’day Oz,

    I’ve given your new question some thought today and it seems the US concerns boil down to…………..
    ”The question we now have to answer is, was this corporation willing to trade justice in the murder of 270 innocent people for oil profits?”

    My question is this……….
    Was the US Govt willing to “trade justice” for political expediency in removing Libya “from the US list of states sponsoring terrorism in 2006 after Colonel Gaddafi agreed to give up chemical weapons and compensate Lockerbie victims”.

    What have chemical weapons got to do with terrorists who blow up airplanes? They didn’t use chemical weapons to bring down the PanAm flight.

    Was the US Govt willing to “trade justice” by insisting Libya pay victim compensation thereby telling the world that if you throw enough cash at the families of victims of terrorism (keeping in mind the actual victims are dead), they will “hush up” their politically inconvenient outrage, and no offense is deemed to have been committed?

    “Now Colonel, old son, you just cough up US$2.7 Billion and we can make all this go away”.

    Who would be silly enough to think Gaddafi would A) take the money out of his own Swiss Bank account or B) take the amount out of his country’s coffers thereby triggering domestic riots when the citizens end up going without. And if Tony Bliar had anything to do with it (he’s the go-to guy for a “whatever it takes” negotiation), you can be sure that the Colonel would have been happy to “sell” BP oil rights.

    Everyone’s happy. The victims feel vindicated, Govts stopped copping the fall-out, BP gets their oil rigs, no skin off the Libyans noses, Gaddafi gets his “compensation” paid for him, PLUS he gets some extra to fatten up those Swiss accounts, and best of all, the US has taken him off the personna non grata lists and he gets to jet-set about again, even invited for his first visit to the USA to deliver a long diatribe of abuse at the UN General Assembly………..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/23/gaddafi-un-speech

    What’s the beef for the US pollies? Were they banking on those oil drilling rights for themselves? Sour grapes? or just another whip to flog and discredit BP?

    Not that I’m cynical or anything…………………..

  27. crownarmourer says:

    Blackswan….Well Gaddafi would baulk at giving the oil rights to an outright owned US oil company after all he did lose family during the Tripoli bombing. So BP at the time was acceptable solution all round the appearance of British company 50% US owned. America gets a cut of the pie.

  28. Amanda says:

    back then he traded in slaves nowadays he would be selling cars. Well he’s dead and buried let the eternal deities sort it out.

    Crown darlin’ I like your homespun wisdom. You sound like a Southerner from way back and yet you’re from Northern England! And a Norman too! Which just goes to show that America is indeed a great melting pot, though our brains don’t turn to fondue when we join it. (Canadians, sniffily, claim that their country is a ‘mosaic’ not a ‘melting pot’. Yes, and look where it’s got them.)

  29. Amanda says:

    Also Crown, I love your babby picture. He looks adorable, and I even want to give him a motherly kiss. Which is unusual for me. (I’m more easily besotted with dogs, especially my own.)

  30. Amanda says:

    I’ve not heard her Thingness so agitated before. What you don’t understand is that only whites of Judeo-Christian heritage can be racists, everyone else can be whatever they like to whomever they like, as murderously as they like. What’s more, you had better pay with a glad heart for everyone else’s delusional self-destructive schemes while ignoring your own needs or you will pay with your life, ultimately.

    Walt, depressingly accurate. But beautifully stated.

  31. Amanda says:

    Old Toad: why is it always wimmin?

    Because women are the world’s natural appeasers. They have to keep the peace in the home — their usual or traditional realm — so that beastly Dad won’t make Offsprings’ upbringing impossible.

    Blame it on hormones and the need to survive.

  32. Amanda says:

    Pointman:

    Question about Dietrich. Did she always speak-sing in songs (I’m not familiar with her oeuvre) or did she ever sing out sustained notes? It sounds curious to my ears.

  33. crownarmourer says:

    Amanda as for our local confederacy hero it’s kinda of hard to defend him too much, except as a superb tactician and cavalry commander and he did found the KKK even though he quit them but they caused trouble for nearly 70 years.
    Little Beanie Baby is cute when he is not crying and starting to smile at people now.
    As for the fab thing it was fun winding it up.

  34. Amanda says:

    Interesting, Crown.

    Little Beanie Baby is cute when he is not crying and starting to smile at people now.>/i> Yes, I imagine that the smiling is lovely, while the crying is horrendous. I want to run a thousand miles when a baby ‘cries’ (if that is the word for such appalling tinnitus-making sounds).

    As for the fab thing it was fun winding it up. And you do it so well.

  35. Amanda says:

    oops, me italics went all orf.

  36. Amanda says:

    I see I put the arrow the wrong way.

  37. Amanda says:

    If I had a baby I would have to wear ear-plugs. If I were merely a relative, ditto.

  38. Amanda says:

    Crown, as a singer I must say she’s not my favourite. In fact her appeal escapes me almost completely. She’s not fat and she’s not Al Gore. Otherwise — as The Unbrainwashed would say — que?

  39. Amanda says:

    But then again I can’t see the big deal about Eric Clapton, either. Boring, inconsequential songs with lacklustre melodies and uninspired guitar, in my opinion. Yet people worship him.
    Why?

  40. Amanda says:

    Also I don’t trust anyone — man or woman — with ‘paint-on’ eyebrows!

    Crown: the last post sounds like a lazy and half-hearted Edith Piaf in German.

  41. Amanda says:

    But we can always agree to disagree : )

  42. crownarmourer says:

    It’s the stockings and she’s a blond.
    Dame Vera Lynn did this one…

  43. Amanda says:

    Hello? Why did we need Toby Harnden to write his book? I could have written it for him.

  44. Amanda says:

    It’s the stockings and she’s a blond.

    Jeez, why didn’t you say so? Though I can hardly be expected to be moved by that.

    Personally on the blonde front I prefer Jessica Lange, and for stockings I think you can’t do better than Liza Minelli in Cabaret. Though I’d like to make it clear here and now that I prefer blokes. God knows why: women smell better overall and they always put the seat down.

  45. Amanda says:

    Crown, a couple of problems with Vera Lynn.

    No. 1: I’m not a huge fan of strong vibrato. I think Sade goes too much the other way, but a nice natural vibrato is good enough for me — and that’s how I sing (surprise, surprise).

    No. 2: I can’t separate her sound from wartime and a certain atmosphere, which muscially doesn’t interest me. Fascinated by WWII, but not by its music, I must confess.

    No. 3: She’s merely a singer and doesn’t have, in her voice, something to say. Not like, say, Joni Mitchell or Joan Armatrading or even Pat Benatar, to name three (even if Benatar could have used more soulful material, as I think; love her rendition of Kate Bush’s Wuthering Heights, anyway).

  46. crownarmourer says:

    Well it wuz the 1930’s and 1940’s and she was wearing cabaret outfits with stockings showing lots of leg and if your in the middle of a sodding trench and all you have for entertainment is the radio a womans voice reminds you what your fighting for and why you need to stay alive, especially a well known actress whose in stockings.
    Not into blonds myself far prefer brunettes or red heads (it’s the Irish in me) however not a leg man myself. I’m a one women kind of guy or bits of me go missing. I’m like most guys we like a good looking women, although as you get older you realize looks are not everything good cooking is.

  47. Amanda says:

    How to turn a girl on — even if you ARE a gorilla.

    See you in Florida.

  48. crownarmourer says:

    However just to annoy the other guys my wife was a model and was wanted by a major modelling agency in New York but did not like the lifestyle (drugs) so she declined, and is a chef, beat that combination.

  49. Amanda says:

    I’m a one women kind of guy or bits of me go missing.

    Oh, it’s beautiful. ‘Women’ is plural, Crown. What bits of you go missing? Your moral fibre? Your get-up-and-go? Or shouldn’t I ask.

  50. Amanda says:

    however not a leg man myself.

    I’m relieved to hear it. Breasts are great if braised, and thighs do nicely over high heat. But it’s the seasoning that counts the most.

  51. Amanda says:

    Plus as a model you have to walk funny and you’re not allowed to smile like a human being. All around, she made the right choice.

  52. crownarmourer says:

    Well one for the road then…

  53. crownarmourer says:

    amanda food pron…I’m relieved to hear it. Breasts are great if braised, and thighs do nicely over high heat. But it’s the seasoning that counts the most.

  54. Amanda says:

    Crown, you’ve probably turned in or turned to old episodes of Star Trek, but let me just add this: I think we’ve invented a new kind of pron. Cooking pron! Pron de cuisine Oo la la burp.

  55. Amanda says:

    Crown, you were thinking as I was thinking. Great minds…or something.

  56. Amanda says:

    Okay, I make an exception for Glen and for swing.

  57. Amanda says:

    I like Little Brown Jug and String of Pearls. Did somebody mention pron?

  58. crownarmourer says:

    The bits that go missing are the bits I’m most fond of, I’m losing me touch I should have said wifey which isn’t sexist it is old english for woman and still in use back hame. I really do need a two week holiday to make my accent unintelligible to everyone again.

  59. crownarmourer says:

    food pron is like garden pron where you can make anything sound bad when it’s not as look at the meringues on that.

  60. Amanda says:

    I think you do; and don’t worry, I’ve been called wifey which to me sounds just like hubby.

  61. Amanda says:

    Yes, and in American they make it easy by referring to bums as ‘buns’. When they’re not saying ‘butt’ — an awful word, sounds sharp and nasty and something to be avoided.

  62. crownarmourer says:

    Well heres something a bit more modernish in ancient times…

  63. Amanda says:

    Great; do you like disco? Some of it we could use on our enemies a la that guy in South America (??brain not working — Ortega..?). Some of it is great:

    n

  64. crownarmourer says:

    I’m not sure what women refer to men back home but it is probably not nice we are not the most romantic bunch being descendants of the Norse and hard nosed buggers, the women are as tough as the men and you had better not get soft or expect a mocking. The language is very much aulde english and words are short and to the point so being romantic tends to get lost as we don’t use many of the romance languages words.

  65. Amanda says:

    I dunno Crown: if you say ‘darling’ and ‘sweetheart’ that’s all the romance you need. The rest is in the eyes.

  66. Amanda says:
    July 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Primates when expressing pleasure tend to clap their hands. Short movie if Kong were a normal orange gootan relative. Don’t know if the screen actors’ guild insurance coverage applies to getting squished by giant gorillas.

    Marlene Dietrich on tour with the USO during the Big One was like Ole Blue Eyes in that she wouldn’t play the officers’ clubs, only enlisted. If an O wanted to catch the show, they had to sit with the rankers. Her Wiemar era recordings show she was in Liza’s class for as long as her pipes held up. Smoking and hard rink did for her voice.

    Gracie Fields was the same type as Frank was attitudinally. She’s from up your way, right, crownie? Textile worker made good. I wonder if “When I Grow Too Old To Dream” in on Youby Tooby…

    Naxus CD’s out of jolly old Deustchland has her “Look On The Bright Side” album where she does a live gig at Dunkirk for the troops just before von Manstein paid a courtesy call with his little friends.

  67. crownarmourer says:

    However I’m an exception and lerned to rede and spel proper and if you all the patter of a rock, I use poetry to get my message across because A) I have no shame B) wifey’s are suckers for that stuff I mean very impressed.

  68. Amanda says:

    Bearness: Your current name is too, too clever :^)

  69. Amanda says:

    Crown, completely approve of Disco Inferno: it was my chosen July 4th anthem. I linked to it here as you’ve done. Where were you?

  70. Amanda says:

    Bear: I like the way David Attenborough pronounces it: OR-ung OO-t’n

  71. Amanda says:

    P. S. Chris (Mr A) had a good laugh at the white guy in The Trammps, I don’t know why: what’s wrong with his playing? I called him Rocky; he suggested Vinnie or Gino. Note that the video features him first but then drops him completely for the duration.

  72. crownarmourer says:

    amanda…The rest is in the eyes. Well since I have deep set eyes thats hard people think I’m going to beat them up or something that and the fact back home we don’t express emotions on our faces well, why we don’t poker I have no idea.
    Actual the missus loves my hazel eyes which turn bluerer rather than greenerer when I’m in a good mood.

  73. Amanda says:

    Crown, I can’t decide whether you are the most amazingly handsome thing since Morten Harket or the other dude whose name escapes me, or whether you are from the planet Zorkon. Probably both.

    By the way, I told Old Toad that I would not reveal any of my other nicknames. But I realize now that I have inadvertently given a clue: as you can see by my avatar.

  74. Amanda says:

    And it’s not ‘Green-Lips’!

  75. Amanda says:

    I need to turn in. I read this by Walt: ‘Smoking and hard rink did for her voice’ and thought: oh really?… hard rink, eh? …Must be some drug I’ve never heard of… will certainly stay away from hard rink…. It’s been a long day.

  76. crownarmourer says:

    Walt Gracie is from Lancashire now a Taliban stronghold I mean an enriched multicultural area. My cousins are from Preston Lancs and a pint of boddies is pretty good stuff. Ah the days a 16 year old could walk in for a pint with no busy bodies enforcing the new puritanism. When your 16 you don’t cause much trouble as you could be inconveniently barred for being well underage, ah the good old days where the police turned a blind eye for a free pint or more. It taught you to drink responsibly.

  77. crownarmourer says:

    amanda I have been told told by a number of people I’m handsome or rather was being in the south has ruined my waistline but unfortunately I got my brain from the planet Zorkon and having Irish ancestry makes me fun to live with at times, however the missus Vietnamese background means that I have to behave myself or it’s fend for yourself night food wise.

  78. Edward. says:

    White Racists Are Cutting Off My Dole Cheque And Forcing Me To Get A Job Bear says:
    July 16, 2010 at 11:51 am

    That’s a real tragedy Walt.

    Ed.

  79. Crownarmourer: I think I belaboured JD’s blog at length about the blind pigs Detroit used to have which the cops set up on the sly to enable them to keep younguns penned while drinking gallons of three-two beer and listening to real, live R & B in these highly off-licence places. Detroit at its peak had 15,000 of them to divert young people away from serious bootleg rotgut in the 1930’s, but they survived as an institution there right up to the riots of 1967-68.

    The bands which played still live on, in many instances. Check out http://www.blindpigrecords.com/ Magic Slim used to play bars in the Cass Corridor as did Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airman, and a group called the Rationals who wrote a guys’ song called Respect which Aretha Franklin liked so much, you know the rest. If you can get a copy of their album, “Sunset” is the definitive song of the riots from a townies’ standpoint, written and performed in 1969.

    Cass St. is still there, as is Alvin’s Deli, home to the universe’s best hot pastrami sandwich. Mick Taylor, the best rhythm player for the Stones since Jones, did a solo gig there in June. http://www.alvinsoncass.com/about_ I used to lunch there or at the cafeteria at the Detroit Art Museum below the huge murals by Diego Rivera as a college student, then stroll through the art gallery munchng on a sandwich. Try that now.

    Amanda says:
    July 16, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Orange gootans is how it’s spelled, and it’s easier to remember, don’t you think? Mr. Attenborough can say whatever he likes after the work he’s done, but he is a good target too easy to hit square.

    Hard rink has somethng to do with schnapps and skating, methinks LOL. Long day for me, too. Sleep tight and a safe trippo to Florida.

  80. Edward. says:

    NoIdea says:
    July 16, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Very good NoIdea, a darkly humorous piece which evidences a certain hostility to the (presently) ‘established order’, let me be your virtual brother in this pursuit of sardonic disruption.

    Ed.

  81. Edward. says:
    July 16, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    That be satire on where I live, me bucko. Unless I get hit by a meteor and become completely 100% disabled, this being the States, the limit of what I could claim based on means only is food stamps, which amounts to about enough to cover a weeks’ groceries for a single guy at best. I know it sounds funny, but these days if you have a decent job, you’re the enemy in a lot of neighborhoods. I got read the Riot Act yesterday at the grocery store by the checkout girl for saying, basically, that I quit smoking because I was sick of paying half the price for a pack of ciggies as taxes to support welfare skeezer dweezers, mostly ex-cons, “war widows” with bar stewards and crack dealer hangers-on boyfriends, and the like. The oppressed underclass of the welfare proletariat DEMAND compassion or they will kill you.

    Eckshully, with Gov. Paterson’s budget being in negative numbers, there is a very real risk no more free money will happen instantly for several million NY’ers, which is not a tragedy but will increase crime exponentially and probably result in the National Guard here wishing they had never joined LOL! Three other States are completely bereft of funds, too, including their welfare money. If the social safety net bellies up nationwide which it very well could, this will be a really noisy neighborhood for as long as it takes the Bradley fighting vehicles to arrive, then REALLY noisy for about two days, then quiet for the next twenty to fifty years years or so.

  82. Hello again, Ed. I thought you were referring to my “nome de guerre, ” not the content of the writeup on Otis Jennings. Yes, he should have been mayor. He had visions of WPA/CCC-type workcrews for the kids in the tougher neighborhoods but just servicing the needs of greater Syracuse instead of shipping them off to work in a labour camp as my father did as a 15-year-old summers then full time after high school graduation.

    A brilliant man, too.

  83. Why I am still up is I am doing a dupe file removal procedure on 150 Gig’s of 14 years of digital files on a Maxtor drive, which is going to take 18 hours total but reduce the Maxtor drive file total content to about 40-50 Gig’s. I am trying out a new piece of software called HCC Pro 1.06 Lite, which is the only logical dupe removal software I have found so far after checking out several cutesy home tools and MicroBarf’s offerings.

    This software makes sense, so I have no doubt it will utterly destroy the Maxtor drive LOL! I have everything duplicated again on Frisbees and dumb thrives, so not to worry.

  84. Did okay at the BFD meeting today, too. Animotion Inc. is committed now to the project. This I have been pitching since I did the first two compboards for the DT and the movie billboard marquee for laughs and I showed it to them. That would have been since –what?–Valentine’s Day or so.

  85. Syracuse U. lost 35 students on the Lockerbie flight. 83. If 35 US troops died in Afghanistan in one day, Bush would have nuked Kabul, then took lunch to celebrate.

    I don’t think it would be the cleverest thing to do for Brown to visit Syracuse anytime soon LOL! One can only hope. Lockerbie’s not really a favourite primetime conversation topic here, but the ceremonies and remembrance gestures and scholarships and the wonderful relationship SU has with the town of Lockerbie are remarkable and have done much good. The memorial on campus is very stirring. It won’t bring the students back. What more is there is to say? Well, you can’t do open contracts on ratsh*ts any more in a digital world without making martyrs out of them.

    Here’s how the local newspaper covered the release of the Libyan bonehead.

    http://www.syracuse.com/kirst/index.ssf/2009/08/lockerbie.html

  86. 83 does not belong there lol G’night.

  87. manonthemoor says:

    Good morning from the UK my subject for today is:-

    Wheels
    Wheels within wheels – Ever since man invented the wheel we have been benefitted by wheels.
    Progressive technology is the utilisation of wheels, but there is a downside.

    Examples of wheels
    Chariot wheels, Wagon wheels, Cart wheels, Spinning wheels, Water wheels, Grinding wheels, Spare wheels, Turntable wheels , Paddle wheels , Flywheels, Cutting wheels, Chain wheels, Pulley wheels, Pit wheel, Steering wheel, Ships wheel, Control wheel, Paint wheel, Polishing wheel, Crown wheel, Pinion wheel, Pin wheel , Pastry Wheel, Balance wheel — The list just goes on and on we are surrounded by WHEELS.

    Not forgetting Wheel of Fortune, Roulette wheel and even Prayer wheels

    I have NoIdea whether this list is all the ideas, but no doubt NoIdea will contribute to my ideas with his ideas leading to a full circle of ideas.

    However Wheels within Wheels are the hidden wheels, and are at least as important and significant in our lives.

    The ‘mandleson’ wheel in the last labour government.
    The missing $450 million dollars paid by GS to possibly the legal eagles and parasites in fees.
    The untimely change to DISQUS by the DT.
    The involvement of big business and finance in the AGW scam.
    The unstoppable growth of the EUSSR.
    The status of the CRU now in science.
    The Monboit v Delingpole battle.

    Just a few topical examples of wheels within wheels but this does raise complementary questions as below:-
    Q1/ Can the labour party recover and who will be their leader ?
    Q2/ Who is the real beneficiary of the GS fine?
    Q3/ Can DISQUS survive in its current form and at what cost?
    Q4/ Will India and China scupper the grand AGW plan?
    Q5/ Can Brussels politicians survive the EU?
    Q6/ How many more white washes before a clean sweep?
    Q7/ Will James now rotate on his own index finger?

    What goes around comes around, like weather in cycles, our world is complex and uncertain and as we follow the wheel of time. Things seem always to become more complex with every new innovation bringing a dark side to the intended benefits.

    The AGW scam is a dark side coming to our lives, and it is our job to shine the light on this scam.

    THE TRUTH WILL OUT AND MUST PREVAIL

    Man on The Moor

  88. Scud1 says:

    Blackswan…TY for the links.

    May God in heaven help us!…

    “The beauty with algae is that you can grow it anywhere and to grow it needs to absorb carbon dioxide, so it’s not only a very effective fuel, in theory it’s also a carbon sink. That’s a pretty good deal,” said Alan Shaffer, the Pentagon’s principal deputy director of defense research and engineering.

  89. Old Toad says:

    Gurglebear. I understand your distress but Megrahi did not do it. He was framed by the CIA. Please dispute if you disagree !

  90. Scud1 says:

    Good post MOTM

  91. Edward. says:

    Gurglebear from Too Much Coffeeland says:
    July 16, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Otis Jennings is the type of bloke many US and British cities are crying out for.

    Ed.

  92. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    manonthemoor says:
    July 16, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    “Wheels”…….. Good post MOTM, but you forgot…….

    Fishing weels & cotton weels – uverwise, it wos weally weally good.

  93. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    Completely off topic but this article should bear our scrutiny (of realist eyes):

    Perhaps the most mind-twisting example of psychological projection is the claim that the people you victimise are actually victimising you – even while it is you who dominate and receive an uncritical reception on media talk shows, who get grant-funding to subsidise your professional career and whose books are prominently displayed in bookshops, while your opponents are kept off or are given a hard time on the talk-shows, receive precious little grant funding and can hardly get their books published. But as soon as those opponents finally make their voices heard to point out that you are in error, you start screaming that you are being victimised.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6144429/frankly-more-sense-is-spoken-by-his-plants.thtml

    I think that is good writing, it perfectly illustrates our (or my) frustration, alarmists claiming victim-hood because of realists pointing out the truth and what is the truth? That AGW is a total fabrication, there is no science, there is no truth to back it up! I liken the AGW religion to a cult, remember Jim Jones and the ‘People’s Temple Christian Church. Hells teeth spare us from these loons.

    Talk about twisting the truth, ah!……But then these liars (alarmists) are manipulators of veracity by; spin, lies and deceits!
    The more shrill their voices, the more we are hitting home, the pressure must be constant and relentless, there must be no 'let up'.
    We should remember however, to fight fire with cold hard logic and rationale and try not to slip into 'their ways'.

    Ed.

  94. Edward. says:

    Over bolded, oops sos Oz!

    Sorted – Oz 😉

  95. scud1 says:

    NoIdea…

    Splendid stuff! He he ‘Congealed smegma’!
    Reminds me of the sweet shop when we were at school which was run by two very ‘sweet’ old ladies.
    My mate Nige…
    ‘Err…quarter of smegma drops please.’
    Old lady…’Smegma drops?’
    ‘Yes…Smegma.’
    ‘Smegma? Smegma drops?’
    ‘That’s right…Smegma drops.’
    ‘Ooh. I don’t think we have any of those.’ (Shouts to other sweet old lady who’s working out back) ‘Eileen…Do we have any smegma drops?’
    ‘What was that Agnis?’
    ‘Smegma drops. Do we have any smegma drops.’
    ‘Smegma? Err…No, I don’t think so.’
    ‘I’m very sorry. I don’t think we do.’
    Nige… ‘Oh all right then. I’ll have a quarter pound of purple helmet cubes.’

  96. Old Toad says:

    MOTM.
    Q1. Milipede D. Yes. We have to have an opposition. By rejecting all that Blair/Brown did he can have a clean sheet. Real Question, Can the LibDims survive the eventual collapse of the Coalition. (Vince Cable = Patty Hearst -so I hear)
    Q2 Obarmy and his cronies ?
    Q3. I know you don’t like Disqus, but as one who was not accepted on the ‘old’ system I have few problems with this one, although that shrill harpie with the red rose is getting too much of a platform.
    Q4.China is now so far ahead that she can afford totally to ignore the EUSSR on ‘climate’ matters, but the Chinese are too polite to say so. The Indians meanwhile are making hay.
    Q5.Good question. How long will Germany go on funding Greek rioters and how DO you unscramble the Euro. You can’t just issue Drachmas & Deutschmarks in exchange, or can you ?
    Q6. Fred Pearce’s book has made me think. Whatever I may feel about his & Monbiot’s views on ‘climate change’, we have two people who understand better than most, the full extent of our treatment as idiots by the establishment. Hence the evisceration of poor little Trevor Davies at the ‘Climategate’ Show. This is only the beginning, and in this battle McIntyre & Monbiot/Pearce are on the same side. So heaven help Acton,Jones, Davies, Oxburgh, Muir Russell et al, who’ve failed to do their homework, because McIntyre & Pearce are very thorough indeed !
    Q7Very probably !

  97. Locusts says:

    This is the translation of the introduction to a chinese language book i’m reading, the carbon plot, i’ll translate more when I have time. A few words i’m unclear about, the grammar might be a bit odd as i’ve just had a few pints. Hope it makes sense and is reasonably interesting.

    The Winter in Copenhagen is a bit cold.

    It was all forecastable, owing to every parties different interests, the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference (4C) was never going to result in a legally binding agreement.

    The 4C was called, “The last chance to save humanity”. If humanity did not limit Carbon Dioxide emissions, “the planet is only 6 degrees away from catastrophe” etc. That the 4C did not reach any definitive final agreement left many disappointed and anxious, as every media outlet reported.

    From newspapers, TV, and internet we often hear some frightening predictions. Along with the relentless increase in Greenhouse Gases, the unceasing warming of the entire world, large scale extinctions, melting of the Alaskan ice, Pacific islands that are on the verge of sinking in to the sea, the unceasing expansion of the Inner Mongolian desert and the shrinking of the Peruvian glaciers. ….

    But there is a certain distance between reality and people’s fears. The cold winter weather at Copenhagen left a deep impression on attendees.

    For the first few days of the conference, the winter wind wailed outside, and the last few days was pretty much full of big snowflakes swirling around, the snow reached a depth of 10 cm. As the 4C was in session, large parts of Germany were suffering heavy snowfall, with temperatures hitting minus 10. [Some] lake in Bavaria even hit minus 33, the lowest recorded in Europe. 4 Eurostar trains halted under the English Channel in the [emergency area]. This was the first time in 15 years that this kind of incident had occured; the doors of some intercity trains in Germany were frozen shut.

    Far away Asia was also in the grip its usual cold winter.

    At the end of December 2009, a gust of wind hit China. In the space of one night, in the northern part of Xinjiang, the temperature dropped below minus 30. At the start of 2010, the temperature in Beijing hit minus 16, the lowest recorded temperature for the last 40 years.

    It was as if the freezing cold winter was having a laugh at all of these “Global Warming” theories. If the world was warming at an ever quickening pace, as all of these environmentalists say, then whence from such extreme cold? Whenever there are any doubts about Global Warming, it is almost as though environmentalists turn everything around and claim that this is too, a result of Global Warming. The Greenhouse Effect has turned in to a big basket, no matter what bad thing it is, just chuck it in.

    In contrast to the freezing weather at Copenhagen, the atmosphere at the talks was still firey hot. America, Europe and also many Developing Countries, engaged in many excitable discussions about how to reduce Carbon Dioxide Emissions.

    Copenhagen attracted over 5000 reporters, 110 national leaders, in total there were 15000 attendees. It was the largest 4C in history. Including Conference attendance and related travel arrangements, 46200 tuns of Carbon Dioxide were emitted. This is equivalents to the average annual carbon footprint of 50,000 [Ai’sai’e’biya]? people, it could fill 10,000 Olympic swimming pools. The Conference that was convened as a way to reduce Carbon Dioxide Emissions, was itself a big culprit. Was this not adding a layer of frost on the surface of fragile snow?

    Is the 4C truly aimed at human properity? Then why did one particular conference, called “The future of humanity” end in one big fight?

    Is the climate really getting warmer every day? Is Carbon Dioxide really the “Black hand” behind our backs? According to the strict emissions targets, do developing countries really have no right to burn coal or oil?

    Is there a hidden agenda?

  98. Amerloque says:

    Hello moth !

    In res Wheels.

    Breaking, Catherine, Ferris, Square and Color came to mind. (grin)

    /// Breaking wheel

    The breaking wheel, also known as the Catherine wheel or simply the wheel, was a torture device used for capital punishment in the Middle Ages and early modern times for public execution by cudgelling to death. It was used during the Middle Ages and was still in use into the 19th century.
    Breaking on the wheel was a form of torturous execution formerly in use in France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Romania, Russia, and other countries.

    …/…

    In France, the condemned were placed on a cartwheel with their limbs stretched out along the spokes over two sturdy wooden beams. The wheel was made to revolve slowly, and a large hammer or an iron bar was then applied to the limb over the gap between the beams, breaking the bones. This process was repeated several times per limb. Sometimes it was ‘mercifully’ ordered that the executioner should strike the criminal on the chest and stomach, blows known as coups de grâce (French: “blows of mercy”), which caused fatal injuries. Without those, the broken man could last hours and even days, before shock and dehydration caused death. In France, a special grace, the retentum, could be granted, by which the condemned was strangled after the second or third blow, or in special cases, even before the breaking began. Afterwards, the condemned’s shattered limbs were woven (‘braiden’) through the spokes of the wheel, which was then hoisted onto a tall pole so that birds could eat the sometimes still-living individual. …/…/// Wiki at: http://tinyurl.com/35n3uh

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    /// Ferris wheel

    A Ferris wheel (also known as an observation wheel or big wheel) is a nonbuilding structure consisting of a rotating upright wheel with passenger cars (sometimes referred to as gondolas or capsules) attached to the rim in such a way that as the wheel turns, the cars are kept upright, usually by gravity. …/… /// Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/42jpzg

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    /// Square wheel

    A square wheel is a wheel that, instead of being circular, has the shape of a square. While literal square wheels exist, a more common use is as a metaphor meaning stereotypically bad or naïve engineering. …/… /// Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/2j23wx
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    We see below why Wikipedia has problems. This was accessed a few mintes ago. (grin)

    /// Color wheel
    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either:

    An abstract illustrative organization of color hues around a circle, that relationships between primary primary colors, secondary colors, complementary colors, etc.

    A mechanical device that rotates an array of colors arranged as petals or gradients around an axis. …/… ///

    Wiki at: http://tinyurl.com/65fo86

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    This one is a tad eccentric. Might it be applied to warmistas ? (grin)

    Abstract
    The Apocalypse of Peter depicts a scene where the punitive fate of sinners in the afterlife is described with great specificity. The Apoc. Petr. asserts that each sinner will be divinely punished “according to his works,” and much recent scholarship on the work has attempted to demonstrate that the majority of these punishments correspond logically with the sins that prompted them. However, the curious depiction of the sin of sorcery being paired with the punishment of sorcerers being bound to a revolving wheel has posed a problem for scholars, for this seems to defy the pattern of intelligible correspondence between a sin and its subsequent punishment. In this article I will propose a solution to this seeming incongruity. Using the model of mirror punishment as how the author envisioned “according to his work” as functioning, along with an examination of implements considered to have been used in magic in antiquity, I suggest that a logical correspondence between this sin and its punishment becomes intelligible. ///

    Callie Callon
    Sorcery, Wheels, and Mirror Punishment in the Apocalypse of Peter
    Journal of Early Christian Studies – Volume 18, Number 1, Spring 2010, pp. 29-49

    http://tinyurl.com/25keb2c

    – – – – – – – – – –

    Last be not least …

    /// The Tweel (a portmanteau of tyre and wheel) is an experimental tyre design developed by the French tyre company Michelin. The tyre uses no air, and therefore cannot burst or become flat. Instead, the Tweel’s hub connects to flexible polyurethane spokes which are used to support an outer rim and assume the shock-absorbing role of a traditional tyre’s pneumatic properties. ///

    Wiki at: http://tinyurl.com/qblok

    Have a good day !

    Best,
    L’Amerloque
    Amerloque 20100716 14h50 Paris time (CET)

  99. Amerloque says:

    Hello moth !!

    In res Wheels.

    Breaking, Catherine, Ferris, Square and Color came to mind. (grin)

    /// Breaking wheel
    The breaking wheel, also known as the Catherine wheel or simply the wheel, was a torture device used for capital punishment in the Middle Ages and early modern times for public execution by cudgelling to death. It was used during the Middle Ages and was still in use into the 19th century.
    Breaking on the wheel was a form of torturous execution formerly in use in France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Romania, Russia, and other countries.

    …/…

    In France, the condemned were placed on a cartwheel with their limbs stretched out along the spokes over two sturdy wooden beams. The wheel was made to revolve slowly, and a large hammer or an iron bar was then applied to the limb over the gap between the beams, breaking the bones. This process was repeated several times per limb. Sometimes it was ‘mercifully’ ordered that the executioner should strike the criminal on the chest and stomach, blows known as coups de grâce (French: “blows of mercy”), which caused fatal injuries. Without those, the broken man could last hours and even days, before shock and dehydration caused death. In France, a special grace, the retentum, could be granted, by which the condemned was strangled after the second or third blow, or in special cases, even before the breaking began. Afterwards, the condemned’s shattered limbs were woven (‘braiden’) through the spokes of the wheel, which was then hoisted onto a tall pole so that birds could eat the sometimes still-living individual. …/…///

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/35n3uh

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    /// Ferris wheel

    A Ferris wheel (also known as an observation wheel or big wheel) is a nonbuilding structure consisting of a rotating upright wheel with passenger cars (sometimes referred to as gondolas or capsules) attached to the rim in such a way that as the wheel turns, the cars are kept upright, usually by gravity. …/… ///

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/42jpzg

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    /// Square wheel

    A square wheel is a wheel that, instead of being circular, has the shape of a square. While literal square wheels exist, a more common use is as a metaphor meaning stereotypically bad or naïve engineering. …/… ///

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/2j23wx

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    We see below why Wikipedia has problems. This was accessed a few mintes ago. (grin)

    /// Color wheel
    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either:
    • An abstract illustrative organization of color hues around a circle, that relationships between primary primary colors, secondary colors, complementary colors, etc.
    • A mechanical device that rotates an array of colors arranged as petals or gradients around an axis. …/… ///

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/65fo86
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    This one is a tad eccentric. Might it be applied to warmistas ? (grin)

    Abstract
    The Apocalypse of Peter depicts a scene where the punitive fate of sinners in the afterlife is described with great specificity. The Apoc. Petr. asserts that each sinner will be divinely punished “according to his works,” and much recent scholarship on the work has attempted to demonstrate that the majority of these punishments correspond logically with the sins that prompted them. However, the curious depiction of the sin of sorcery being paired with the punishment of sorcerers being bound to a revolving wheel has posed a problem for scholars, for this seems to defy the pattern of intelligible correspondence between a sin and its subsequent punishment. In this article I will propose a solution to this seeming incongruity. Using the model of mirror punishment as how the author envisioned “according to his work” as functioning, along with an examination of implements considered to have been used in magic in antiquity, I suggest that a logical correspondence between this sin and its punishment becomes intelligible. ///

    Callie Callon
    Sorcery, Wheels, and Mirror Punishment in the Apocalypse of Peter
    Journal of Early Christian Studies – Volume 18, Number 1, Spring 2010, pp. 29-49

    http://tinyurl.com/25keb2c

    – – – – – – – – –

    Last be not least …

    The Tweel (a portmanteau of tyre and wheel) is an experimental tyre design developed by the French tyre company Michelin. The tyre uses no air, and therefore cannot burst or become flat. Instead, the Tweel’s hub connects to flexible polyurethane spokes which are used to support an outer rim and assume the shock-absorbing role of a traditional tyre’s pneumatic properties.

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/qblok

    Best,
    L’Amerloque
    Amerloque 20100716 14h50 Paris time (CET)

  100. Amerloque says:

    Hello moth !!

    In res Wheels.

    Breaking, Catherine, Ferris, Square and Color came to mind. (grin)

    ///

    Breaking wheel

    The breaking wheel, also known as the Catherine wheel or simply the wheel, was a torture device used for capital punishment in the Middle Ages and early modern times for public execution by cudgelling to death. It was used during the Middle Ages and was still in use into the 19th century.
    Breaking on the wheel was a form of torturous execution formerly in use in France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Romania, Russia, and other countries.

    …/…

    In France, the condemned were placed on a cartwheel with their limbs stretched out along the spokes over two sturdy wooden beams. The wheel was made to revolve slowly, and a large hammer or an iron bar was then applied to the limb over the gap between the beams, breaking the bones. This process was repeated several times per limb. Sometimes it was ‘mercifully’ ordered that the executioner should strike the criminal on the chest and stomach, blows known as coups de grâce (French: “blows of mercy”), which caused fatal injuries. Without those, the broken man could last hours and even days, before shock and dehydration caused death. In France, a special grace, the retentum, could be granted, by which the condemned was strangled after the second or third blow, or in special cases, even before the breaking began. Afterwards, the condemned’s shattered limbs were woven (‘braiden’) through the spokes of the wheel, which was then hoisted onto a tall pole so that birds could eat the sometimes still-living individual. …/…///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/35n3uh

    Best,
    L’Amerloque
    Amerloque 20100716 14h50 Paris time (CET)

  101. Amerloque says:

    ///

    Ferris wheel

    A Ferris wheel (also known as an observation wheel or big wheel) is a nonbuilding structure consisting of a rotating upright wheel with passenger cars (sometimes referred to as gondolas or capsules) attached to the rim in such a way that as the wheel turns, the cars are kept upright, usually by gravity. …/… ///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/42jpzg

  102. Amerloque says:

    ///

    Square wheel

    A square wheel is a wheel that, instead of being circular, has the shape of a square. While literal square wheels exist, a more common use is as a metaphor meaning stereotypically bad or naïve engineering. …/… ///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/2j23wx

  103. Amerloque says:

    We see below why Wikipedia has problems. This was accessed a few mintes ago. (grin)

    ///

    Color wheel

    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either:

    An abstract illustrative organization of color hues around a circle, that relationships between primary primary colors, secondary colors, complementary colors, etc.
    A mechanical device that rotates an array of colors arranged as petals or gradients around an axis. …/… ///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/65fo86

  104. Amerloque says:

    This one is a tad eccentric. Might it be applied to warmistas ? (grin)

    Abstract

    The Apocalypse of Peter depicts a scene where the punitive fate of sinners in the afterlife is described with great specificity. The Apoc. Petr. asserts that each sinner will be divinely punished “according to his works,” and much recent scholarship on the work has attempted to demonstrate that the majority of these punishments correspond logically with the sins that prompted them. However, the curious depiction of the sin of sorcery being paired with the punishment of sorcerers being bound to a revolving wheel has posed a problem for scholars, for this seems to defy the pattern of intelligible correspondence between a sin and its subsequent punishment. In this article I will propose a solution to this seeming incongruity. Using the model of mirror punishment as how the author envisioned “according to his work” as functioning, along with an examination of implements considered to have been used in magic in antiquity, I suggest that a logical correspondence between this sin and its punishment becomes intelligible. ///

    Callie Callon
    Sorcery, Wheels, and Mirror Punishment in the Apocalypse of Peter
    Journal of Early Christian Studies – Volume 18, Number 1, Spring 2010, pp. 29-49

    http://tinyurl.com/25keb2c

  105. Amerloque says:

    We see below why Wikipedia has problems. This was accessed a few mintes ago. (grin)

    ///

    Color wheel

    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either:
    • An abstract illustrative organization of color hues around a circle, that relationships between primary primary colors, secondary colors, complementary colors, etc.
    • A mechanical device that rotates an array of colors arranged as petals or gradients around an axis. …/… ///

    Wiki at:
    http://tinyurl.com/65fo86

  106. Amerloque says:

    ///

    Color wheel

    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either: …/… ///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/65fo86

  107. Amerloque says:

    We see below why Wikipedia has problems. This was accessed a few mintes ago. (grin)

    ///

    Color wheel

    A color wheel is the greatest thing on earth and was created by an awesome dude named chris.he must have been high. thats why they are amazing or color circle is either: …/… ///

  108. Amerloque says:

    Last be not least …

    ///

    The Tweel (a portmanteau of tyre and wheel) is an experimental tyre design developed by the French tyre company Michelin. The tyre uses no air, and therefore cannot burst or become flat. Instead, the Tweel’s hub connects to flexible polyurethane spokes which are used to support an outer rim and assume the shock-absorbing role of a traditional tyre’s pneumatic properties. …/… ///

    Wiki at:

    http://tinyurl.com/qblok

    Have a great day !

    Best,
    L’Amerloque
    Amerloque 20100716 14h50 Paris time (CET)

  109. Pointman says:

    Amerloque says:
    July 16, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Amer, “breaking on the wheel” is done much more efficently in the modern world. It’s called going to meetings.

    Pointman

  110. orkneylad says:

    Giordano Bruno’s ‘memory wheel’ :

    http://warburg.sas.ac.uk/mnemosyne/Bruno/yates.html

    “After Warburg’s death in October 1929 and the migration of the Institute to London in 1933, Brunian studies at the Warburg Institute took a very different direction thanks to the research of Frances Yates (1899-1981). While Warburg’s interest in Bruno and image-based thinking brought his philosophy towards the present, Frances Yates’ hypothesis of an Hermetic Bruno rooted his thought in a distant and partly mythical past at the antipodes of modern times. Nevertheless, while her Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition (1964) takes a different path from that traced by Warburg, her other Brunian study, The Art of Memory (1966), is perhaps her book closest to Warburg’s preoccupations.”

    Best,
    OL

  111. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    Thanks for tidying:>), I was going to go on to say but time was against,

    I neglected to add this to my previous post(19.38), I am a supporter of HRH Elizabeth Regina, think she’s a gutsy ansty lady, that being said her son is on another planet.

    HRH Prince Charles, is a f***wit and billy no-mates of the royal family (and that’s saying something!).
    Like many dimwitted politicians (I’m thinking Al Gore here) he is jumping aboard the bandwagon, lets not forget that Daddy probably gave him the boot up.
    HRH Prince Philip was a former president of those foaming at the mouth, ecofascist headbangers the WWF ultra AGW advocates.
    ‘Keep it in the family’ as they say.
    Charlie, as his ‘time’ passes him by is on a hiding to nothing, so he tries to ingratiate himself with the, “youf by ‘sussin it’ ‘n’ goin green innit?”

    He should have stayed with the horsey shagger set, where……………….. all yer brains are in ‘ones seat!’

    Ed.

  112. Pointman says:

    Edward. July 17, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Ed, wasn’t there a furore about Phillip attending a dinner where they served roast Panda while he was head of the WWF?

    Pointman

  113. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    The Austral hemisphere is getting it at the moment but Izal says the freezing in the Antarctic is a local condition……..have a look:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/16/cold-wave-in-argentina-forces-shutdowns-in-gas-powered-industries

    and
    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/39456

    Meanwhile the UN/IPCC/World Government wannabeesBS goes on, have a look at this, the waste of money (again) is astonishing:

    http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/cop16-the-next-un-climate-change-scam-will-be-cancun/

    @Locusts,

    Hello locusts,

    Yes our Chinese brothers are the past masters of observing the follies/foibles/failings of others, Confucius would no doubt have a saying…………. and on these matters (of AGW) I deem they are on the money, they suffered an incredibly viscious winter – it tends to focus minds…..in which case here in the UK the coldest winter in 30yrs (or 50 in Scotland) and still they go on…..how f***ing thick are our political masters (or how thick do they think we are?).

    I have always admired the oriental sanguine, phlegmatic approach to life.
    It sure beats the duplicity of the ‘sun drenched uplands, rose tinted spectacles’ view socialist politicians shove down the throats of people in the west, they (socialists) despise the people, very much like the French aristocracy (perhaps the Socialists are revanants of these) were reviled of the peasantry in the C18th.

    Ed.

  114. Edward. says:

    Pointman says:
    July 17, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Pointy, greetings!

    You know, I can or have a hazy memory of some such occurrence but cannot recall any details but it is Phil’s type of gaff!

    Ed.

  115. NoIdea says:

    Wheels within wheels, have the grinding gears of justice seized?

    I have looked at a few details of various activities surrounding flight 103; there are many dots that can be connected.
    In my opinion the guy jailed for the bombing was set up.
    The evidence used against him looks fabricated.
    The evidence not used in his defense at the time looks it would have cleared him.
    In my opinion the device was placed on the plane after the security breach that was reported, shortly before the plane took off from Heathrow.
    I have seen several suspects pointed at, from drug running rogue black (as in, not official) operatives to international terrorists or various intelligence agencies.

    From
    http://www.fatdawg.com/flight.html

    “According to Congressman James A. Traficant, Jr. (D-Ohio), at least five members of an eight-member CIA team, returning home without authorization to expose the drug-smuggling operation, died when the Boeing 747 exploded in midair.”

    Also on that flight Bernt Carlsson, the Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations. He had survived a previous attack on an aircraft he had been travelling on in Africa.

    Iran, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Libya, USA, Italy, Germany, France, UK and South Africa are among a few of the potential nations that have been linked in some of the many conspiracy theories available.

    Who is responsible for committing this atrocity?
    What are the motives involved?
    Why do the same names keep popping up in connection with other cover-ups?
    Which bits are propaganda and lies?
    Is there any truth to be found in any of these theories?

    NoIdea

  116. Locusts says:

    part 2.1, i put some words in square brackets, some as i’m not clear, some on a whim.

    2. 1 Solar Power makes electricity, the poor people’s [……..] product

    What can Solar power do, what can wind power do?

    On hearing this question, everybody will probably think, what a strange question to ask. Owing to a [ iron consensus] of opinion brought about by a long period of [propaganda], people’s thoughts will immediately change direction, and not pay any attention to the nature of the original question, and will remember that solar energy is the cleanest form of energy, is renewable, not like coal when you’ve dug it all up it’s all gone, it represents the direction of the [energy] resources revolution. Solar power is seen as the [industry of the rising sun of the future]. Who knows, maybe one day inthe future, it’ll replace all conventional forms of electricity generation.

    Isn’t this the most beautiful [thought] possible, no pollution, everywhere is just greenery mountains and rivers, people won’t need to worry about coal mines collapsing, no need to worry about forests being chopped down, no need to worry about rising sea levels submerging island nations. It is as if, if only humanity could adopt clean energy, then all of our problems would be resolved with one [sweep of the knife?]. But is the result really thus?

    There is a very real problem staring everybody in the face. Solar power, wind power, can they be implemented on a large scale? Can they provide large scale industries with enough electricity? Can they supply trains with the power to fly along the tracks?

    It is obvious, that the answer is in the negative.

    Solar power is the same as wind power, not stable in the slightest. A cloudy or rainy day, and the ability of solar power to generate electricity is influenced, in a big way. We see that [windmills] will stand there, not moving for long periods of time, because wind is not constant, sometimes and sometimes not, it’ll lose its temper.

    With the current state of technology, there are still many difficulties with storing electricity form large scale electricty [farms]. Just turn electrical power in to chemical power, and then turn it back in to electrical power at the time of need, is ok. But the efficiency of such conversions is not great, this still needs [research/practise].

    One obvious conclusion is that: traditional energy sources are irreplacable, wind power, solar power and other new energy resources can only fill the gap over a long period of time. For these new energy resources to be used in large scale manufacturing industries, well, there is still a long way to go.

    But in Africa, and many other non-developed coutries, we often see some green environmental organizations publicizing everywher all knids of save the environment theories, holding all kinds of training, and speeches, teachingthe local people how to use electricity, giving people the knowledge about how to nurture environmental conciousness; how to battle heavy pollution, avoid using oil, avoid using coal, and how it is best to use solar power and wind power.

    Where did this solar and wind power equipment come from? The answer is Europe. Nuclear power tech is primarily in the hands of the French, whilst wind, solar, nuclear power techs are also concentrated in Eurpean, USA etc. countries.

    will finish this bit a bit later, if people are interested do tell

  117. Pointman says:

    @Locusts.

    Please continue the translation and thank you. It’s fascinating to read the oriental view on the technology options being offered to developing countries by the environmental lobby.

    Pointman

  118. Pointman says:

    The ‘Climategate’ travesty

    “Even in these intellectually debauched times, is hard to credit the cynical and brazenly corrupt farce of the ‘investigations’ into the ‘Climategate’ email scandal centred around East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit.”

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6147814/the-climategate-travesty.thtml

    Yikes, is this Gal angry. I think I’ve found another Journalist worth reading. I’ll be running out of fingers soon.

    Pointman

  119. Pointman says:

    Oh my goodness, she’s a gem.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/search/author/?searchString=Melanie Phillips

    She’s just migrated to the top of my weekend reading list.

    Pointman

  120. scud1 says:

    Thanks for the links Ed.

    Think we’ll be hearing any of this from the MSM?…Nah.
    Wonder what our winter will bring. Lets hope its a right bitterly, b*****d cold one that knocks at least just a tiny bit of sense into our ‘greenest government ever’.

  121. Pointman says:

    Hi Scud, couldn’t find a decent explosion for you. The standard of videos on youtube is definitely falling. On the plus side, I found out how wars start so that should generate some fireworks. Try this

    Pointman

  122. scud1 says:

    Pointman…splendid stuff from our Mel.

    Loved the ending…

    “The fact is that the proponents of AGW have been rumbled as having perpetrated one of the biggest pseudo-scientific frauds of all time – and they know it. Hence the Royal scream. It’s over, Your Royal Highness — and you were on the wrong side.”

    In for a chat later?

    Scud.

  123. scud1 says:

    Hey Pointman.

    Try this one. Bunker buster testing from the F15E strike eagle complete with Blur soundtrack…awesome!

  124. Pointman says:

    Sure will Scud.

    Pointman

  125. scud1 says:

    Damn. Sorry Oz. How do you prevent this ’embedding’ business?

  126. scud1 says:

    He he…’Brass eye’ Don’t make ’em like that anymore.
    Remember the one about paedophiles?…’And he’s wondering all over the park like a robo wrongcock’…or something like that.

  127. Pointman says:

    scud1 says:
    July 17, 2010 at 4:22 am

    Explosions and Blur! Watta combination …

    Pointman

  128. Locusts says:

    Part 2.2

    In 2009, May, when the [African Union?] were implementing [? with] enery experts, they were interviewed by [luxiushe], and said that electricity was terribly important for manufacturing, agriculture, and other industries, but only 30% of the population had access to electricity.

    Africa has an incredible amount of coal and oil, yet in the eyes of the environmentalists, these resources are not to be touched. They can only use clean energy, and must wait for solar, wind and other new energy methods to mature, only then may they gain the opportunity to develop. [their economy]

    In order to look after the environment, and not destroy nature, many countries in Africa must buy terribly expensive solar and wind power equipment from Europe. Yet this causes them to spend much of their hard earned money, and credit; and also causes them to forsake other development opportunities.

    To use a metaphor, traditional energy sources are still the poor man’s staple food; whilst solar, wind power etc. can be eaten once in a while, anything more is rather idealistic. If poor people were to rely primarily on renewable energy sources, these beautiful, upmarket foodstuffs, then after a while they’d more than likely starve to death.

    Currently, solar panels have an energy conversion rate of about 15-20%. Whilst [newer] solar panels have an energy conversion rate that is limited at 29%. [Their cost is much higher than their returns]. In a situation where there are no subsidies, there are absolutely no advantages to using solar and wind power over traditional coal and hydro etc.

    If we take another look at Europe; although wind and solar have been implemented on a large scale, but they are still heavily reliant on traditional energy sources, like coal, and hydro. Solar panels have become the greatest status symbol that the wealthy [can have].

    Is solar power really clean? Investigations show that the base silicon that solar panels rely on is extracted via a energy intensive, heavily polluting industry. And where is this industry based? China.

    China has already become the world’s biggest photovoltaic industrial market. The most important ingredient in solar power is polycrystalline silicon. The efficiency of manufacturing the panels is rather low, and a lot of pollution is generated as a by-product. When local industries started producing polycrystalline silicon, they were mostly reliant on outdated technology. Apart from high energy consumption, for every ton of pure polycrystalline silicon created, there were also more than 8 tons of ammonium chlorid[adized] silcon as by-product, as well as [other shit that a cursory look at google translate doesn’t answer].

    The prosperity of China’s solar power industry, at the price of the environment of those rather weak distant regions, in order to attract commerce and investment, in order to collect tax revenue, very many environmental appraisal programmes have not yet been strictly implemented.

    China’s solar power market, including nuclear technology, important raw materials, the sales market abroad, China is only a simple processing factory, transporting profit abroad, its own body covered in grime and sweat.

  129. Pointman says:

    @Locusts. If only the ecofascists, who are determined to ram their idea of ‘help’ down the throat of the developing world, would sit down and listen to the voices coming from the developing world. Your translation gives them a voice. Thank you.

    Pointman

  130. Just in. Canada seems once again to be re-growing its fiscal brain and offering a stalwart example to the world once again. (Sort of. The world’s most brutal drug exporting middle class “we’re nicey-wicey but we’d be broke if we weren’t the doper mule transit point into the USA and have been since Prohibition” nation still plays the double game of black market backstopping legit markets just as does Schitzerland, the world’s priciest trick ).

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario/ontarios-rate-cut-for-solar-power-a-blow-to-green-energy/article1642110/

    From 80 cents per kw to 58.8 cents per kwhr Provincial subsidy (not including the Fed’s). HAITI’s wholesale electric rate is only 25-35 cents per Kwhr. At the meter wholesale rates in North America now top out at around 10-12 cents/Kwhr on peak.

    What’s wrong with this picture?

    Communist China only suffers the ravages of deep grooves in their brain matter caused by sane contemplation of and acting upon solving real problems. Communist kleptocratic Africa is also not considering itself bound by any power generation related constraints on coal usage at the same time Greenturd is raiding coal plants of Western-friendly countries with banners waving which say “Coal kills.”

    More Asian stuff, please, Locusts. Good copy, good reading! Um, are those locust trees or locusts as in Day of the Locust LOL? Either apply these days.

    Prince Charles needs to travel with a sailing vessel and hang-glide between nations, apparently. Sigh.

  131. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    More lunacy…green lunacy yet!

    With thanks to Locusts,

    China has already become the world’s biggest photovoltaic industrial market. The most important ingredient in solar power is polycrystalline silicon. The efficiency of manufacturing the panels is rather low, and a lot of pollution is generated as a by-product. When local industries started producing polycrystalline silicon, they were mostly reliant on outdated technology. Apart from high energy consumption, for every ton of pure polycrystalline silicon created, there were also more than 8 tons of ammonium chlorid[adized] silcon as by-product

    Producing polysilicon is done by heating up to 580-650 degrees C, how green is that?
    This is the ridiculous farce of so called ‘green technology’ where do all these chocolate teapots have to be manufactured, yes China, so with consequent transportation costs etc, where does that leave us……nowhere that’s where!!!………… because the ‘benefits’ are outweighed by the production of such things as wind turbines and photovoltaic cells, boneheaded stupidity (and they produce negligible results)!
    Yet British politicians are blinded by the BS science, idiots!

    Ed.

  132. Pointman says:

    Amanda July 16, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “Did she always speak-sing in songs” – Yes. She had a voice but only just. She picked her vocal material carefully or where she couldn’t, made sure the arrangement was as accomodating as possible.

    A remarkable woman even for her times. Her escapades, and there were many, were the stuff of legends. Ruthless over her career and her loves (male or female) and yet took the moral decision very early to exile herself from Germany, which she loved, despite the pleadings of Goebbels and uFa. She simply hated the Nazis and everything they stood for.

    Walt’s tale of her only performing on stage for the ordinary troops is 100% accurate. For a very independent person, she also knew precisely when to do what she was told on stage or on a set by a director with talent like Sternberg.

    For fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVrH1OfVjw

    For the war http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5T_3t4fJfM

    Pointman

  133. Pointman says:

    ps. Photography is an art form, as was lighting.

    Pointman

  134. Pointman says:

    Jeez Crown, you’re a bunch of laughs tonight.

    Pointman

  135. Locusts says:

    i can’t spell inconvenient, just realized. Gore’s Electricity units, brain went dead, haven’t paid for a bill in english in a long time.

    Gore’s Home is “An Inconvenient Truth”

    When the topic of environmental protection was first brought up, it was probably for only the simplest of desires, the wish that by reducing environmental pollution, man’s excessive reliance on natural resources would be reduced, and allow man to properly embark on the journey of sustainable development.

    But, development of environmental protection to this point in time, has resulted in it becoming an artifice of politics and economics. detached from its original rails, it has become a farce, a [popularity contest]. Politicians, civil society organizations, research institutes, scholars, real estate industry, bankers, take it in turns to get up on stage, anxious to have their say; every single issue somehow gets hung on the nail that is environmental protection. Underneath the flag of environmental protection, everything must stand to one side; anything with an opposing voice, quickly gets drowned in moralistic flem (flob/spit!).

    There is an inconveniant truth: if we implement strict environmental protection measures, set environmental protection standards that are too high, this means that many factories will have to close, halt production, leading to even more people losing employment opportunities, income will fall, life will become more difficult, leading to more social [unrest?] and disasters.

    Therefore, those that we see the most are Ladies and Gentlemen from the developed western countries, with an incredibly [haughty] attitude, coming up with all kinds of slogans for the developing world, slogans to help developing countries scramble for profit, but all these slogans can’t cover up their arrogance and prejudice.

    The American former Vice-President, Gore did an environmental protection documentary called “The Inconvieniant Truth”, for which he won an Oscar for in 2007 in the [best documentary] category. This film, with environmental protection as the subject, called for people to reduced their carbon dioxide emissions, so as to protect our fragile Earth.

    But in Gore’s home there is an “inconvieniant truth”. On the second day after he’d won the gold Oscar statuette, a [truth] was leaked by [name] Government Research Centre that made him [crap himself?]. For the previous two years average electricity usage in the Gore household increased from 16,200,000 [units?] to 18,400,000 [units]. This figure is between 15 and 20 times greater than the average American household’s usage, and 100 times greater than the average Chinese household’s.

    Apart from this, his monthly natural gas expenditure exceeded $1000. Based on these figures, Gore’s monthly expenditure on electricity and gas came close to $30,000.

    Looking again at Developing Countries, and not Developed Countries, there are still hundreds of millions of people with no real opportunity to use electricity.

    At the recently passed Copenhagen United Nations Climate Change Conference, the hosts Denmark, and Australia and a few other developed countries submitted a proposal, which specifically stipulated, that the average carbon footprint for people living in developing countries should be set at 1.44 tonnes, but the footprint of those living in developed countries was set at 2.9 tonnes. Maybe in the eyes of the westerner, they are the real master of the earth, and other countries can only provide a supporting role. The westerners are forever guilty of double standards.

    The most advanced environmentally [friendly] technology is [gripped] in the hands of the developed countries. In order to protect the environment, they do not wish to make even the slightest concession.

    At the Copenhagen Summit, the EU proposed that in the 3 years from 2010 to 2012 it would provide $10 billion in aid to help developing countries respond to the challenge of climate change. This action was seen as compensation for the damage caused by pollution during the past 200 years of industrialization in Europe and America. But, what is the use of this $30 billion? How much is left when it is divvied out in to all of the devoloping countries hands, and exactly how much expensive green technology machinery can it buy?

    The Westerners’ arrogance and callousness towards the failure of the Copenhagen United Nations Conference planted seeds. The defeat at this conference made obvious the polar opposite of each sides position, the conflict between the poor countries grouping and the rich countries grouping has deepened.

  136. Locusts says:

    that was part 3 by the way

  137. Pointman says:

    Locusts July 17, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Yup. Just as engrossing as parts 1 and 2.

    “But, development of environmental protection to this point in time, has resulted in it becoming an artifice of politics and economics. detached from its original rails, it has become a farce, a [popularity contest]. Politicians, civil society organizations, research institutes, scholars, real estate industry, bankers, take it in turns to get up on stage, anxious to have their say; every single issue somehow gets hung on the nail that is environmental protection. Underneath the flag of environmental protection, everything must stand to one side; anything with an opposing voice, quickly gets drowned in moralistic flem (flob/spit!).”

    If you want an honest opinion, ask an outsider or a child.

    Pointman

  138. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Good morning All,

    Locusts,
    Thanks so much for your series of translations of a Chinese point of view. I thought that this…….
    “China is only a simple processing factory, transporting profit abroad, its own body covered in grime and sweat”……….
    is a very telling sentiment.

    How long before Chinese people really object to having to suffer all the ill-effects of the pollution the West has happily exported to their neighbourhoods, while making obscene profits at the expense of such poorly paid toil. I believe it’s only a matter of time.

    Looking forward to any other Chinese points of view. What they are thinking is really significant for us in Oz.

  139. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Pointman,

    Thanks for the heads-up on Melanie at the Spectator. I scrolled down to read the Comments and found it’s in the old format (time-stamp & continuous) and orkneylad and Dave, Edinburgh were there.

    I was impressed…..good grief, she can string multiple syllables together and her readers respond in kind. Funny that.

  140. crownarmourer says:

    Pointman yes I am a barrel of laughs but that is vewy vewy scawy.

  141. Pointman says:

    Hello Swan.

    It’s fascinating stuff. If there’s a lurker out there in continental Africa who can post the African view, then please do so.

    Pointman

  142. Locusts has posted some great stuff, but I recall PandaAtWar who is probably PandaAt Re-EducationCamp now pointing out that Chinese mfgrs actually get about 4% of what WE list as our imbalance of trade with China; the balance is scraped off the top by traders, factors, countervailing tariffs, shipping companies, a conga line of distributors, and of course, the Chinese government itself.

    Hmmm. You don’t suppose they need a revolution, do you? LOL

  143. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    How’s this for Green?

    http://smh.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/change-in-wind-as-balconies-air-dirty-laundry-20100716-10e77.html

    When I lived in Sydney, you’d get lynched for hanging washing on a balcony as folks didn’t want the place looking like Asia where laundry flapping in the breeze on high-rises was an iconic image. On my last visit to my sister there, we drove past kilometres of unit blocks with washing everywhere. I guess our ethnic newcomers are saying chewy-on-yer-boot to that, so they’ll change the law to fit, but give it a Green label not an ethnic-civil-disobedience one.

  144. theendisnighnot says:

    Locusts…. really enjoying the extracts from the book sums up more concisely than i ever could what I’ve been saying for a while re China’s attitude to all this scam and fraud. I don’t know how long you’ve lived here myself its 2.5 years and coming here really opened my eyes to the way in the west we’re almost programmed to “accept” all forms of nonsense from our “leaders” All such nonsense seems to lead to doom and gloom scenarios that can only be avoided with the help and devotion of said “leaders”. Its really bizarre how we fall for all this crap or rather how a large proportion of our populations do anyhow. I think they play on the very human desire for a “quite life” When you think about it its kinda ironic that here in the “Glorious Socialist Motherland” we have more freedoms than in the “Democratic” west. Over here on the whole if you don’t work you don’t eat, if you commit crime you get punished severely and to a large extent people just get on with life and the pursuit of happiness unhindered by politicians with their “doom and gloom” scenarios. Surely this is how it should be and used to be in the west where politics/politicians were an irrelevance to everyday life. Anyway back to the topic ! I used to work for BP and what people seem unaware of is that prior to flotation the “Anglo Persian Oil Co (BP) was effectively part of the foreign office in the UK and was charged with looking after UK interest abroad. Frankly nothing much changed and probably hasn’t to this day but it is rank hypocrisy for US politicians to pontificate on the Libya affair with the US’s record on these things! As Bliar is involved you can be pretty sure the whole thing is “iffy” especially as the CEO of BP during his tenure as PM was Lord rent boy Browne not wishing to be accused of homophobia ( i quite like my house) has anyone else noticed Bliars penchant for surrounding himself with people that er……. bat for the other side? The only explanation i can think of for Mandleson’s continuing role in public life is that he knows some pretty embarrassing stuff!!! In an effort to increase my carbon footprint am flying off to Koh Samui with she who must be obeyed today for a fortnight of R&R and will be mostly enjoying myself marvelling at this wonderful world we live in with wonderful people and not for a nano second thinking about catastrophic climate change or the purveyors of that load of old tosh. Keep well all and remember the truth will out . TEINN

  145. I switched over to the menthol flavour cartridges for my e-ciggies, and now I am starting to get really lucid memories back of my time on my free government tropical vacation in Technicolour (all we smoked were a brand of menthol ciggies called Kools overseas, I think because the brand name expressed our wishful thinking respecting the climate then). There is more to memory than just the mind: you need to duplicate the scents, sounds and tactile experience to trigger the flow of remembrance.

    BTW, I DID have decent times, uproariously good times, then, but you can’t tell people that, they look at you funny LOL!

    Mountains of blogspaces are going to be governmentally retired shortly, no doubt before the November elections. Surprised we have lasted this long.

    The magic trick is to have an offshore ISP. My site is Canada-based, as is my e-mail. They are brutal on hackers there, jailtime is de rigeur for things we let Gargle and Arsebook do, which I don’t mind as long as the Northern Beaver doesn’t get too political. Half the neonazi sites out there based in the States would land you in jail in Canada in 10 minutes.

    One can make a perfectly cogent argument based on past print publishing law that bloggers and blog owners ought to be subject to the same reg’s as newspaper publishers and reporting bureaus. As an indicator of how little things have changed since the days of the “D” notice in the UK and martial law vis a vis the press in the USA in wartime, did you know in the States, if you are a member of the journalists’ union, you can be drafted into the CIA on a summary basis? I think the folks in Intellectual Property are going to “eminent doman” both Arsebook and Garglebooks as well: what a HUMINT database Arsebook is at the moment, and borderless, too. J. Edgar Hoover would have gone mad to have had such a tool to which people voluntarily subscribe for some odd reason.

    To subscribe to Arsebook and actually use it is playing at being a ballerina in a minefield. I am tempted to do up ten Arsebook accounts, all of them completely false.

  146. I have said it before and I will say it again until my tongue falls out of my head: intel is a military weapon. It has no civilian use. It is not a dual-purpose tool. It has nothing to do with police work unless the police work is political in nature (which BTW drug dealing is, and that is ALL it is, perped by the most politically regimented and disciplined totalitarians ever to have crwled out from underneath a rock), which police work is then rendered a military concern.

    It therefore has been and is madness to have civilian intelligence agencies. Why? When you make of the response to enemy action a graduated response, the enemy works right up to the very limit just below the declared trigger point of that response. Civilian intelligence agencies are a gift to our enemies. They make of the field of contention a near-infinite gamer’s playground of unlimited opportunities great and small for destroying us.

  147. I also have never met a civilian who worked for anything other than money and who could be trusted to ignore the lucre sitting on the table for the taking for simply changing sides with the winds of war, declared or otherwise. Matters are made worse when one considers that in a globalized economy, if you are a civilian, there are no sides. We now confront several ludicrous situations where we are technically and militarily engaged in an intelligence war with the very countries who are our biggest trading partners. There are at least 50,000 civilian Western workers in Iran helping out for pay in the petrochemical and industrial sector. I don’t know if Leisure Suit Ahmadijabbahut is so much our adversary as much as he doesn’t know whether to sh*t or go blind LOL! Put yourself in his shoes for ten seconds. Not that I couldn’t flamethrower him in exchange for a box of donuts.

  148. My air conditioner works and no one else’s does nyah nyah nyah LOL! G_d what a hot one today. Tomorrow’s supposed to be even worse. Must be all those whales lighting off beer farts, or Gore lighting off exactly one.

  149. Theendisnighnot:

    “The only explanation i can think of for Mandleson’s continuing role in public life is that he knows some pretty embarrassing stuff!!!”

    Agreed, 150%. Can’t play that hand for long, though, unless one has one’s passport dusted off and a soft place to land. How good’s his Mandarin? LOL

  150. I also fink the only reason Obama hasn’t slapped down the derivatives traders is that his bestest bunky buddy is a fella named Soros who made his money doing what? It’s bad enough when you have a fox in the henhouse. Obama seeks the counsel of a fox to design multi-million acre chicken farms.

  151. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    A Rothschild Greenie…….

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/rothschild-heir-finds-plastic-the-real-ocean-menace-20100716-10e7r.html

    His encounter with the plastic islands in the ocean might just convince him that Co2 isn’t the enemy, that real pollution is tangible. You think?

    Nah, (the support of a wealthy family that has ”given me the freedom to think”) it hasn’t done him much good so far.

  152. crownarmourer says:

    Obama works for Soros.

  153. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Hi Bearman,

    “There is more to memory than just the mind: you need to duplicate the scents, sounds and tactile experience to trigger the flow of remembrance.”

    For me it’s mainly “scents” that can take me back in a second. Give me a whiff of an over-ripe banana and I’m instantly a little kid trying to fish the squishy bugger from the bottom of my schoolbag…LOL

    “How good’s his Mandarin?”

    Probably as good as Maurice Strong’s.

  154. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    News Bulletin Folks………………..

    Jooolya Gizzard, our new Labor PM, has called a Federal Election for August 21st.

    Now it’ll be “on” for young and old.

  155. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    She wants solar power and renewable energy for Oz. Yeah, right.

    Her speech continues and she’s giving Tony Abbott a “gob-full”, he’s in “Climate Change Denial” etc etc

    This is shaping up to be the dirtiest campaign we’ve seen in years.

  156. Ozboy says:

    G’day all,

    Writing Competition prose winners announced here. I’ll set up the poll for the short story in the next couple of days.

  157. crownarmourer says:

    Ozboy I’ve been cheated I shoulda won even though I didn’t actually submit anything, cheated I tell yer.

    Good entries congrats to all the winners…..

  158. Locusts says:

    Hi Everyone,
    I’m glad that you’re all enjoying these translations, got a couple more to do before I reach the end of introduction, then I think i’ll hang up my translating gloves. It’s good for me to translate it, although I can sit down and read a Chinese novel (almost) the same as an English one, I fell less of a voyeur when reading the same words in my native tongue than in Chinese characters. For some reason I can’t quite put my finger on, phrases like The westerners are forever guilty of double standards. comes across as far more accusatory and potentially threatening when read in a [pictographic] tongue, than when read in my own, familiar alphabet.

  159. crownarmourer says:

    Well the great censorship drive has begun, Alex Jones’ site on arsebook has been removed for using the Gadsden flag so be careful what you say kiddies we don’t want Ozboys site to be removed, this is plan B we a plan C thru Z to communicate and organize. Speak of our leaders in weird code names. The fight for our liberty begins now and when they remove our right to speak freely then God help us all the trouble begins I would rather fight with words than the alternative and nobody wants that. We will win though the struggle be long and hard, our ancestors shall not have died in vain. I call on everyone to resist in as many legal ways as we can and hopefully that shall be enough.

  160. Locusts says:

    Congrats to the winners of the writing competition. Are they to be flower bombed at the DT now?

  161. crownarmourer says:

    Good evening Locusts.

  162. crownarmourer says:

    Well apart from rant on liberty which really concerns me at the moment as dark forces are afoot to censor the internet. What is happening where you are I lose track of where everyone is from.

  163. Blackswan Tasmania says:
    July 17, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If that Rothschild were Lady Rothschild, amateur entomologist extraordinaire who quietly and with no fanfare conquered the plague transmitting flea species worldwide through promulgating how to undermine their mating habits, and whose table at her mansion was always open to the RAF fliers who landed and took off their Spits and Hurricanes during the Battle of Britain, and later, Wellies and Lancs and Mosquitoes and Tempests from her back 40 or so, SHE would be out in the Pacific with her own fleet of cleanup vessels, each of which would have a quad .50 calibre on board for repelling newsies and GreenWar earthtards who would dare to transgress her privacy.

    crownarmourer says:
    July 17, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I’ve an old freeware version of Finecrypt I am not supposed to have which I would be pleased to distribute gratis to bloggers which has the capability of encrypting to meet or exceed any and all F.I.S.H. (Fleet InterNet Security Handbook) standards. Got it from the FISH folks, is how I know that it works LOL!

    Obama is Soros.

    There’s no way the powers that be can put the net genie back into the bottle without doing a lot of people very serious bodily damage. Still with everyone’s militaries all kitted out like a wallflower at the Grand Ball with no names on their dance cards, perhaps that was what the Net was about from Day One: target acquisition. I still feel that way about the Delirium Tremens blog. All my little antennae are humming and with the red LED’s blinking.

    NoIdea,

    Congratulations, old bean. Excellent lyric verse for Kate Bush, Alice Cooper, Dave Matthews, or ELP. Makes it hard for one to not pick up a guitar and crank it up to 11!

    Blackswan,

    Read a paper on the relationship of the senses to how neurons form holograms in the brain. The author seemed to feel that as complex as the brain is, visual imagery may very well be recordable in the human brain via scent, hearing, or even tactile input; the author also seemed to feel that this may be the key to understanding clairvoyance, deja vu, night vision, auras and other daily weirdnesses. I don’t personally believe there is such thing as one discreet sense; I got disabused of that notion first time i got stuck with a pigsticker LOL! When pirates say “Taste my steel, har, har” before running you through with their cutlass, they mean it. When you get cut badly, you can taste the steel of that blade in your mouth for weeks.

  164. crownarmourer says:

    Walt good evening for me scents trigger off some weird memories and I have a very poor sense of smell every since a bad pipetting accident and HCL, although it did allow me to dissect dogfish (small shark) over 4 weeks in biology class at school. Everyone was gagging from the strong smell of ammonia but not me. Well we may need your solution to our freedom problem soon, criticism of government seems to be upsetting some folks over here.

  165. Locusts says:

    Crownarmourer

    The end of the wild web is nigh, when everyone has iPads they won’t even remember what it was like anyway. If it makes you feel any better, my ISP probably monitors more of what I say than your one does.

    Have you ever thought about converting to an ethnic/sexual minority, I’ve heard rumours that they feel the internet can still be a most liberating place?

  166. All this rubbish started with the issuance of the first credit card for consumers, in my opinion. The Piece of Plastic Which Destroyed the World LOL!

    Boredom has a lot to do with it, too. No one has really done either a book nor a movie about the irresistible force of boredom in shaping the world we live in. If life has no meaning an done is under pressure, it seems everyone’s default solution is to find a tribe or ethnic group which is minding its own business and seems roughly satisfied with the terms and conditions of existence. Remember the thoughtful kid you saw in the sandbox quietly making little castles? Who was the kid no one could resist jumping up and down on those castles? The beast of History thinks no differently. It is no more complex than that, just in the details of the mechanism of its justification and execution.

  167. I’ve had a lot of fun with the Web myself. As a scribbler, it has paid a lot of bills, too.

    The real solution is to build hydraulically-actuated boxing gloves aimed at the typist into the monitors of computers with which you can remotely share the joy with others from the other side of the planet if one is feeling somewhat irate.

  168. I wonder if in the future we will have to get a licence which is revocable at the pleasure of the State to use the InterNet.

  169. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts the NSA probably has a file on me alrady ever had your phone tapped or strange people look at your building you reside in during the day they are the fools in suits and always look sheepish when you spot them, but you can eff with them by accusing them of having really small Weiner’s or saying how good there wife was in the sack.

  170. crownarmourer says:

    Walt if it gets to the stage of licenses it’s time to get the old guys around to discuss is it the pointy bit I face away from me and whats a safety catch. I really do hope the effing loonies in charge don’t push things so it ends up in trouble but we are talking the Dems here and emotion trumps logic every time.

  171. At http://www.digi.com, you can get wireless modules which are encodeable for doing an NCO (network-centric operations) type freestanding wireless net array. Runs about 400 to 1000 bucks US to set up a wireless broadband array. All it needs is one cellphone link to the net with a decrypt hack module. You would be piggybacking police and military freq’s, which I think would be most amusing and ironic. Hydraulically actuated boxing glove not included.

  172. Crownarmourer,

    It also is a rather elegantly simple solution to the Federal budget problem, too, if everyone looks at their watch and decides ’tis the season to go bugf*ck, falalala-la-la-la-la.

  173. As I live in a neighborhood which will be the most severely impacted community imaginable by the impending New York state budget collapse, I’ve got five bucks that sez I find out what dekka-dekka the halls with globs of brainjuice is like before youse guys do.

  174. 19 July is when Tisha B’Av hits formally, which is one of those Jewish hide-under-the-bed days, as everything that went wrong in Jewish history went wrong on that day, the 9th of Av on the Jewish calendar. Monday is when Gov. Paterson breaks the news on the first round of budget cuts to be implemented. It’s already been completely pointless to put in for food stamps here for the past six months or so. You’ve got a three month wait if you do, or something like that.

  175. crownarmourer says:

    Walt food isn’t a problem just eye the neighborhood pets first then the fattest neighbors, eat the Dems supporters first it’s for the planet.

  176. If the hammer comes down, it makes me wish four feet of snow was on the ground. It’s weather like this that makes people go off. Both Detroit riots kicked off in this type of heat.

  177. crownarmourer says:
    July 17, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I wouldn’t want to devour a Dem, I’d get ptomaine, a cocaine or heroin overdose, or some form of terminal STD.

  178. Pointman says:

    Tisha B’Av Bear says:
    July 17, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “…he knew there will always be a spring, as he knew the river will flow again after it was frozen. When the cold winds kept on and killed the spring it was as though a young person had died for no reason….”

    Ernest Hemingway – A Moveable Feast

    Pointman

  179. crownarmourer says:

    Walt as for budget problems the POTUS is trying his best to destroy the southern states economies as well hence the ban on drilling in the gulf, by the time he has finished hundreds of thousands will be unemployed, nice one in a recession. As my wife pointed out he will be the last black president we elect for a long time a very long time.

  180. Amerloque says:

    Hello locusts !

    Having a fine time reading your translations. Thank you.

    Please keep them coming !

    Best,
    L’Amerloque
    Amerloque 20100717 09h45 Paris time (CET)

  181. I’ve a wall of canned goods in my kitchen and juices sealed for room temperature storage. Lotsa candles, Brita filter array, lotsa LED pocket lights, a carton of “dry shower” packets of wipes for camping out, etc. etc. We get weird weather and flooding occasionally, too. Binghamton is the place to go for flooding. 2006 was a NY hillbilly’s Cowes Regatta LOL! These floods come from budgets in counties not being spent on dredging, and no one wants to do the work, even if anyone took th etime to fill out the permit app’s for dredging, which permits are almost impossible to get, as there are so many pollutants from 50-100 years ago in the sediment. A job which once took 5-10 Irish, a barge and a clamshell or dragline crane shovel now takes 50-100 degree’d toadstools filling out forms at 125 bucks an hour for six months…and 5-10 Irish, a barge and a clamshell or dragline crane shovel.

  182. Pointman says:
    July 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    It’s always for no reason, Pointman. Always.

  183. crownarmourer says:

    Walt we have worse heat here and in the poorer sections of Memfrica air conditioning can be lacking and tempers fly, we are number three on the murder stats when that happens. A few hundred “upstanding” minority citizens will no doubt cop it this summer.

  184. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    G’d evenin’ Bear, Crown…..

    You blokes sound serious tonight, wassup?

    Bear,
    “this may be the key to understanding clairvoyance, deja vu, night vision, auras and other daily weirdnesses”
    As a one-time recipient of “weirdnesses” myself, but choosing to throw the off-switch when I was younger (after all, how much can a koala bear?) this subject has long been of interest to me.

    Pointy once suggested we discuss “intuition” in its many forms, maybe that may be of interest considering you and Crown seem to think that soon our minds are going to be our only means of communication without Govt permission.

  185. crownarmourer says:
    July 17, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Martial law for a decade is the solution in the works, methinks, by design. If the Capitol Dome’s balcony isn’t a muezzin by the time this is all over, I shall be very surprised.

  186. Blackswan,

    The voices in my head tell me this is a good subject LOL!

  187. BTW, yesterday was a big success on the animation studio front for me. Hoo-rsay for Hollywood, dadadadada da de dah…etc. In principle, the co-owner of the local cartoonists’ shop has given me the go-ahead to develop the script further and to pursue Oz or Asian animation co-venturing resources. He’s got the distribution contacts, all he has to do is do a 3-minute teaser and get a letter of intent, and we can get the ante together for a loan guarantee to float the budget.

  188. I also think our universe has but one dimension and that time and space are conditional illusions which are a product of our chemical based existence. All that will happen exists and we but progress from one matrix of events to another as chemistry and subatomic particles collectively direct us, within the framework of our limited capabilities to perceive what is going on.

    So, intuition is just seeing what is already a done deal before the event transpires. That event has always been there, or more likely a whole suite of possibilities which unfold as a deck of cards of choice for us.

    Simples. LOL!

  189. crownarmourer says:

    Blackswan well my psychic powers are well honed but not telepathy unfortunately however the recession is my fault because I willed it. I was in a foul mood that day.
    So be warned don’t piss me off.
    Actually always wondered if it is possible to see the future or possible futures as I have my own Cassandra it may be not that I believe a word they say.

  190. On topic, as long as we are talking about Ezekiel’s wheels within wheels, time and infinity, and intuition, and the metaphysical, here is a very mind-stretching treatise on time and space by the Director of the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev’s Magnetohydrodynamic Centre, Professor Herman Branover. Enjoy!

    Jewish Concepts of TimeScience/Commentary:
    THE CONCEPT OF ABSOLUTE TIME IN SCIENCE AND JEWISH THOUGHT
    by Professor Herman Branover and Professor Ruvin Ferber

    JERUSALEM, D.C. (David’s Capital), Yom Shishi (Sixth Day – “Friday”), 23 Nisan,
    5759 (April 9, 1999) [Day Eight in Sefirat HaOmer], Root & Branch:

    INTRODUCTION:
    This paper was originally presented at the Second International Conference on
    Jews in a Changing World, held in Riga, Latvia on August 25-27, 1997
    .
    The only one of its kind where Eastern European Jews discuss their past,
    present, and future ethical, cultural, social, and intellectual challenges, the
    conference was sponsored by the Memorial Foundation for Jewish Culture of New
    York and the Soros Foundation of Latvia.

    The Chief Rabbi of Riga and Latvia, Natan Barkan, was its Honorary President.
    Professors Herman Branover and Ruvin Ferber co-chaired the conference and
    co-edited its Proceedings, published by SHAMIR in English and Russian.

    THE CONCEPT OF ABSOLUTE TIME IN SCIENCE AND JEWISH THOUGHT

    Both contemporary physics and traditional Jewish thought recognize two types of
    time:

    1) absolute or unified world time;
    2) relative or local time.

    Using Moshe Carmeli’s equations, cosmological time is read backwards,
    approaching the initial moment of Creation. The closer we mentally approach the
    point of temporal origin, however, the longer the time intervals become.
    Insight into Louis de Broglie’s Great Law of Nature reveals that a perfectly
    free elementary particle must be, in essence, itself a perfect or ideal clock.
    This insight may provide a missing link between the geometric concept of the
    space-time continuum and the arithmetic concept of time.

    Maimonides disagrees with the Midrash that time had existed before the Creation.
    Hasidic philosophy also upholds that time was created with the rest of the
    universe by G-d.

    Hasidism defines two types of time:

    1) ‘absolute, permanently flowing’ (etsem hemshekh ha’zman);
    2) ‘measurable and estimable’ (zman ha’nimdad veha’meshuar).

    There is a special cycle in the Hasidic system called ratso v’shov, which
    comprises a dual process of ‘escape and return.’ In physics this corresponds
    with the periodically recurrent process needed to measure time, i.e. with a
    finite ‘to-and-fro’ cycle which occurs by means of some restoring force.

    INTRODUCTION

    The concept of time is full of mystery. We intuitively feel that time cannot be
    stopped, we all exist in time, and everything is subject to time. It seems
    obvious that because we live in time, it is the prime measure of existence.
    Humans seem to have been interested in time ever since they started thinking
    about life, but there has never been so much literature published on the subject
    as there is now. Dozens of books appear annually on the nature and philosophy of
    time, from the standpoint of mathematics, physics, biology, and other natural
    sciences. Some of them arouse enormous interest. “A Brief History of Time” by
    the well-known British astrophysicist Stephen Hawkings, for example, instantly
    became a best seller.

    Can time be accelerated or slowed down? Was time created at the moment of
    Genesis, or has it always existed? Is it possible to travel in time (into the
    past or future)? Is time one and the same throughout the universe? How can we
    explain the unidirectional character of the time arrow directed from the past to
    the future?

    Merely enumerating these questions reveals that time is a category not only of
    physics — or, more precisely, metaphysics — but of mental perception in
    general. Issues concerning the essence of time cannot be the exclusive
    prerogative of science. The category of absolute time as a Supreme Being that
    cannot be reduced to any other value is consonant with the idea of the Divine in
    its broadest sense.

    This essay consists of two parts. Part One deals with the changing conceptions
    in physics regarding what is time. Part Two compares some Torah-based opinions
    on the essence of time with certain principles of physics today.

    PART ONE

    WHAT IS TIME: CHANGING CONCEPTS IN PHYSICS

    In pre-relativistic physics, the predominant concept of time was that of Sir
    Isaac Newton, who wrote, “Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself, and
    from its own nature, flows equably without relation to anything external.”
    Newton comprehended time as absolute and external to nature.
    The twentieth century revolution in understanding the phenomenon of time is
    usually connected with Hermann Minkowski’s mathematical description of the world
    as a space-time continuum. Minkowski came out with his idea in 1907 and based it
    on the Theory of Special Relativity, or SRT, formulated by Albert Einstein in
    1905.

    SRT postulates the existence of systems of reference, by which one understands a
    system of coordinates serving to indicate the position in space, as well as
    clocks fixed in this system serving to indicate time. Such clocks have to be
    perfect, or ideal. That is, two of them, if combined, have to produce absolutely
    equal time intervals.

    Special kinds of systems of reference exist in which a freely moving body
    proceeds with constant velocity. Such reference systems are called inertial. In
    particular, an observer with attached clocks constitutes a rest or proper
    inertial system of reference.

    The question arises whether readings of the clocks will be the same from the
    point of view of an observer at rest as from that of an observer moving with
    respect to the clocks.

    Let us suppose, for example, that one clock is placed on a train traveling past
    the platform. As a result of the postulate of the constancy of the velocity of
    light in vacuum (about 300,000 km/sec), the time intervals read on the clock at
    rest on the platform will be shorter than those read on the clock in a train
    traveling past the platform — from the point of view of an observer on the
    platform.

    The difference in time will be substantial only in the hypothetical case where
    the velocity of the train is not negligibly small with respect to that of light.
    Strictly speaking, to observe the effect of the time dilatation, it is necessary
    to have at least two clocks on the platform. The readings should be compared at
    the moments when a similar clock on a moving train passes them.

    The time dilatation effect is mathematically expressed by a simple formula: Dt =
    Dt¢/Ö(1-v2/c2 ) relating a time interval Dt¢ in the proper reference system (the
    observer’s rest system) with a time interval Dt read from a clock moving with
    respect to the above-mentioned system at the velocity of v.

    This effect has become a routine reality in the physics of fast particles in
    accelerators; in other words, it is a well-established fact. Indeed, the above
    time dilatation formula follows as a special case from the Lorentz
    transformations relating time and space coordinates in such a way that when
    passing from one reference system to another, time is not transformed per se,
    but only in combination with space coordinates. Thus, time is no longer
    considered absolute because its measurable magnitude depends on the conditions
    of measurements.

    The Special Theory of Relativity apparently robs time of its independence,
    relegating it as an integral part of a four-dimensional space-time continuum.
    Putting it most simply: Newton’s time is absolute, whereas Einstein’s SRT time
    is relative.

    Does this mean that there is no absolute time at all? An affirmative reply to
    this question conflicts with our intuitive perception of time. The first chapter
    of the second volume of the theoretical physics textbook by Lev Landau and
    Eugene Lifshits used in universities around the world presents Einstein’s Theory
    of Special Relativity. The final chapter of the same volume entitled
    “Relativistic Cosmology,” however, states: “The homogeneity and isotropy of
    space mean that we can choose a world time so that at each moment the metric of
    space is the same at all points and in all directions.”

    Thus, the current view of physics is that local time, which seems different if
    viewed by a passenger in a moving train or by an observer on the platform,
    co-exists with a certain unified world time! The branch of physics that deals
    with this type of time is called cosmology. So even physicists are not always
    logically consistent! Sometimes they refer to one physics-relativistic
    mechanics; and sometimes, to another physics-cosmology, representing the scope
    of General Relativity Theory (GRT). Thus, a certain dissonance has arisen.

    While we are ready to agree that the duration of time interval Dt from the
    viewpoint of an observer in different reference systems can vary, we still do
    not want to abandon the concept of time as an absolute physical and metaphysical
    category ruling all life. It is also difficult to agree with the idea of space
    and time sharing equal roles. Obviously, one can be at rest in space with
    respect to a chosen reference system, but not in time, whose mysterious
    “absolute course” remains a permanent challenge to our daily lives.

    In fact, it is within the framework of the physical study of the universe, i.e.,
    of Relativistic Cosmology, that the concept of cosmic unified time functioning,
    in essence, as absolute time has regained meaning.

    MOSHE CARMELI’S EQUATIONS IN WHICH TIME IS READ BACKWARDS
    In 1995 Moshe Carmeli, an Israeli physicist working in Beersheba, obtained
    equations that are similar to the Lorentz-Einstein’s Special Relativity Theory
    equations, but refer to Cosmological Special Relativity, relating physical
    quantities (space coordinates and velocities) in different time T. These simple
    and very beautiful equations involve a unified world, or cosmological time T,
    whereas a constant expansion rate of our universe, or Hubble’s time (To » 18
    billion years), plays the role of the constant light velocity c, T2/To2
    replacing v2/c2 in Lorentz transformation formulae.

    The equations are derived on the basis of the principle of Cosmological
    Relativity. According to the latter, all physical laws (and natural laws in
    general) should be valid at any cosmic time.

    Most interestingly, in Carmeli’s equations time T is read backwards with respect
    to the present moment of time, which is just a cosmic or world time moment.
    Carmeli does not call it absolute, adhering to the term ‘cosmological time,’ but
    it should be understood that this time is unified for all space. And if we read
    it ‘backwards’ from the present moment of time, an extremely interesting
    phenomenon occurs. The contraction of all lengths (those of entities and
    distances between entities) is the same as in Einstein’s theory, but not because
    of the relative velocity of reference systems, but because of the backward
    ‘motion’ in time.

    In fact, since, according to Relativistic Cosmology, the universe was created
    15-18 billion years ago from a singular initial point, it is clear that all
    distances between entities in the past were shorter. All this is described by
    simple equations of a well-known, ‘Lorentzian’ form. Certainly, not only cosmic
    time (present also in Relativistic Cosmology, as we have mentioned) arises in
    these equations. Here the initial moment of Creation emerges.

    Undoubtedly, this moment denotes an utterly defi-nite temporal origin. It is
    noteworthy that it may seem that we could mentally approach this moment moving
    backwards in time. But it turns out that time intervals themselves are elongated
    when approaching the special point of temporal origin.

    In the very remote past — for instance, when cosmic time was 90 percent closer
    to the initial moment of the Creation of the universe — the interval between
    two instants of time equal to one second today increases tenfold. This means
    that an interval of one second today would have lasted 10 seconds then (from the
    point of view of today’s observer). Therefore, we are unable to reach the
    singular point of temporal origin even mentally, since this would take infinite
    time.

    QUANTUM PHYSICS AND TIME: ACCORDING TO DE BROGLIE’S GREAT LAW OF NATURE IS A FREE ELEMENTARY PARTICLE IN ITSELF AN IDEAL CLOCK?

    What has quantum physics introduced to the concept of time? We shall dwell on
    one aspect only. This aspect is connected with the basic notion of quantum (or
    wave) mechanics, namely, with the ‘matter waves’ predicted by Louis de Broglie
    on the basis of his great hypothesis:

    “One may therefore assume that, as a result of a great law of nature every bit
    of energy of proper mass ‘mo’ is intrinsically related to a periodic phenomenon
    of frequency ‘no’ in such a way that hno = moc2, no being, evidently, measured
    in the system attached to a bit of energy. This hypothesis is the basis of our
    system: it is valid, like all hypotheses, as much as are valid the consequences
    which one can deduce from it.

    Since the importance of the well-known consequences cannot be overestimated
    (quantum mechanics is entirely based on them), any effort to obtain some insight
    into the ‘great law of nature’ cited by de Broglie is worth a try. Such an
    attempt was made by Ruvin Ferber, one of the authors of the present paper. His
    arguments are as follows.

    According to the principles of Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, an
    inertial reference system, which includes an ideal clock mentioned above, may be
    attached to any massive free entity serving as the origin of the system of
    reference. But here we are dealing with an obvious contradiction. Such a rigid
    linking between a clock and an entity, i.e., of two entities inevitably involves
    interaction and, thus, is in conflict with the principal postulate of SRT
    related to a freely moving entity that does not by definition interact with
    anything.

    Specifically, what about an elementary particle? There can be only one answer:
    Such a perfectly free elementary particle that is not connected with others must
    be, in essence, itself a perfect or ideal clock!

    Since an ideal clock is actually an ideal periodic process with the frequency,
    say, ‘no’, and since the only intrinsic feature of any massive particle is its
    proper mass ‘mo’, it seems natural to assume that the period of the ideal proper
    clock of a particle counting its proper time periods to = 1/no, should be
    unambiguously defined by the mass ‘mo’.

    Assuming that the frequency ‘no’ is proportional to the proper mass ‘mo’, the
    proportionality factor, from dimension consideration, equals c2/h. Thus, de
    Broglie’s relation no = moc2/h, where ‘h’ is Planck’s constant, necessarily
    arises. Here the clock ideality for all elementary particles of the same kind is
    determined by the Indistinguishability Principle known in quantum physics.
    According to this principle, de Broglie’s frequency no of any fundamental
    particles of the same type is absolutely independent of their position in space
    or of their pre-history.

    Now let us watch de Broglie’s periodic phenomenon from the standpoint of a
    different reference system, say, moving at the velocity of ‘v’. We already know
    that according to SRT requirements, local time in the reference system of a
    particle satisfies Lorentz’s transformations, i.e., it is not invariant. What is
    then conserved under such a transformation?

    It was suggested that such a fundamental invariant is an ordered sequence of
    integers 1, 2, 3, n, enumerating de Broglie’s periods to and progressing with
    time course.

    This can be presented as an arithmetic concept of time or, equivalently, as a
    physical realization of the sequence of natural numbers — a basic object of
    arithmetic which persistently defies any definition.

    According to a statement of Leopold Kroneker, it is the Almighty Himself Who
    created natural numbers, while all other numbers are invented by man. Thus, the
    search for an ‘absolute’ time conserved in any reference systems leads to the
    idea of actual realization of natural numbers. The ‘great law of nature’ behind
    de Broglie’s periodic phenomenon may appear to be a missing link between the
    geometric concept of the space-time continuum and the arithmetic concept of
    time.

    It is noteworthy that Einstein did not at all claim that only the time measured
    by a particular clock, i.e., local time, existed. He wrote in his article
    “Physik und Realitaet” in 1936 that there are two kinds of objective time. There
    is local objective time related to a succession of experiments in time or clock
    readings, i.e., to a closed system of periodical events; and there is a unified
    objective time for all space. According to Einstein, thanks to the latter
    notion, the idea of local time expands, becoming the idea of time in physics.

    PART TWO

    TRADITIONAL TORAH-BASED OPINIONS ON THE ESSENSE OF TIME AND THEIR PARALLELS WITH CERTAIN PRINCIPLES IN CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE

    In our discussion of the concept of time in Jewish thought we shall look at two
    aspects of the rich Torah-based literature on the subject:

    1) The connection between time and Creation, including the concept of absolute
    time measured from the initial moment of Genesis;

    2) The two types of time: local time measured by clocks, and the time flow that
    makes our universe evolve.

    In Midrash Rabba Genesis there is a hermeneutic exchange of opinions among the
    Talmudic Sages Rabbi Yehuda ben Shimon, Rabbi Abbahu, and Rabbi Pinhas on the
    meaning of the first appearance of the statement “And it was evening” in Genesis
    1:5.

    Rabbi Yehuda ben Rabbi Shimon said, “It is not written, ‘Let there be evening’
    but ‘And it was evening.’ Hence we know that temporal order existed before
    that.”

    Rabbi Abbahu said, “This proves that He created and destroyed worlds until He
    created ours and declared, ‘This one pleases Me; the others did not please Me.'”
    Rabbi Pinhas said, “The proof of Rabbi Abbahu’s reasoning is that ‘G-d saw
    everything that He had created, and, behold it was very good’ (Genesis, 1:31).
    ‘This one pleases me; the others did not please Me.'”

    In other words, according to the above midrash, time had existed previous to the
    Creation of our world, and moreover, other worlds had been created before the
    Creation of our universe.

    It is interesting to compare Rabbi Abbahu’s interpretation that other worlds had
    been created before our present world was created with the Anthropic Principle
    of present-day cosmology. According to the Anthropic Principle, if any of the
    basic physical constants of our universe, such as light velocity, Planck’s
    constant, or the gravitational constant was changed in the slightest — say, by
    a hundredth of a percent — then all the properties of the universe would change
    to such an extent that it would contain no life forms (human or otherwise).
    Thus, the Anthropic Principle asserts that human existence in this world means
    that it was created for humans to live here. Strong and weak anthropic
    principles are discussed in works on physics and cosmology — not in religious
    literature.

    DID TIME EXIST BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE?

    In the talmudic tradition of debate, in the twelfth century (about 900 years
    after Rabbis Yehuda, Abbahu, and Pinhas handed down the Midrash quoted above)
    Maimonides –the ultimate authority in Jewish law and tradition for all
    generations — criticized them.

    In his fascinating philosophical work “The Guide to the Perplexed”, Maimonides
    maintains that it is absolutely incorrect to think that time had already existed
    before Creation. The existence of time before the Creation would have required a
    motion of spheres to determine this time interval. The spheres themselves,
    however, Maimonides says could have been created only in the process of
    Creation.

    Maimonides identifies Rabbi Yehuda ben Shimon’s opinion with Aristotle’s concept
    of the eternity of matter. According to Aristotle, the universe was not created
    but evolved from eternal matter.

    Creation is the second most important postulate of the Torah after the postulate
    of G-d’s unity, Maimonides teaches us. We find complete agreement between
    Maimonides and the idea of the big bang as the initial moment in a standard
    cosmological model. According to both Maimonides and the Big Bang Theory, time
    appeared simultaneously with the appearance of our universe.

    THE TWO KINDS OF TIME: LOCAL AND FLOWING

    Regarding the concept of two kinds of time, there are precise indications of
    this in Torah-based literature. In particular, Hasidic philosophy states that
    there are two kinds of time — ‘absolute, permanently flowing’ (etsem hemshekh
    ha’zman) and ‘measurable and estimable’ (zman ha’nimdad veha’meshuar). These two
    kinds of time should be differentiated.

    The reference system of lasting, permanently flowing time is related to the
    Absolute: This is the one in which G-d, the Creator, exists. In this system His
    independent existence is absolute. But there exists also another reference
    system that is just connected with each individual human being.

    In this system human temporal existence takes place, along with one’s perception
    of the world. In such a system the Creator is perceived as ‘Nothing’-consonant
    with the universe having been created from Nothing. ‘Nothing’ is the Absolute
    that is not humanly perceived; it is absent from the human proper coordinate
    system, and not involved in the humanly perceived world.

    There is a special cycle in this system comprised of the dual-process of ‘escape
    and return,’ (ratso and shov). In physics this corresponds with the periodically
    recurrent process needed to measure time, i.e., with a finite ‘to-and-fro’ cycle
    which occurs by means of some restoring force. The process of escaping implies
    the aspiration to reach the Absolute, to comprehend the Almighty, and to merge
    with Him.

    In the final limit, it implies the departure of the soul from the body, i.e.,
    transformation back into Nothing in the material sense. The opposite process to
    escaping is that of returning to the physical world in which we live. According
    to a Hasidic concept, each individual as well as the Absolute possess the
    proper, permanently recurrent ratso-shov cycle. It is the ratso-shov cycle
    inherent to the Absolute that creates a certain scale, a world-wide pulse
    determining the flow of absolute, universal time.

    In conclusion, we present an opinion which the Lubavitcher Rebbe expressed to
    Herman Branover on the well-known ‘twin paradox’ of Special Relativity Theory,
    concerning how human biological age is determined.

    The paradox goes as follows: The clock of a twin traveling in a rocket is slower
    than the clock of his twin brother remaining on Earth. After 25 years have
    passed on his clock and the twin-traveler finally returns to Earth, 50 years
    might have passed on the clock of his twin brother who remained on the Earth.
    (The difference in the two clocks depends on the relative velocity of the
    rocket). Thus, the twin brother who stayed on the Earth will be about 25 years
    older than his returning sibling!

    This paradox formally corresponds to the equations of Special Relativity Theory.
    Basing his opinion on his vast study of Torah, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, however,
    concludes that human biological age is determined by permanently flowing time,
    and not by local measurable time. The reference system of the former is related
    to the Absolute, and it is on this basis that the solution to the paradox should
    be sought.

    ACKNOWLEDGMENT

    We are grateful to Tomas Turan of Budapest who advised Ruvin Ferber on the ideas
    quoted from the Midrash.

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  191. Locusts says:

    4. The Carbon Plot is Gradually Rising to the Surface.

    This world is run according to the law of the jungle.

    The Developed Countries [EU,USA+etc.] are attempting to use the Greenhouse Effect to lock up the development of the Developing world with [Morality Manacles]. This is a bit like those [well-known] political figures in Taiwan, how in everything that they do, they must advertise how much they “love Taiwan”, how everything [they do] is in the interests of the 23 million Taiwanese; otherwise everything these political figures do will lose all [credibility/justice]. But the one proclaimed as “The Son of Taiwan”, “Our Bian” [most likely Chen Shuibian] has at the same time as saying that he “loves Taiwan”, has also been incessantly swindling money. In the same way, Developed Countries have on the one hand been conducting propaganda for low carbon emissions, has on the other hand been [thoughtlessly] emitting Greenhouse Gases. As a result of this incessant propaganda and speculation, the unluckly “carbon” has suddenly turned into a most heinous, sinister ghoul; like a butterfly far away in China, it only has to flap its wings, and will create a [violent] wind in Alaska that’ll envelop the American people in fire and water.

    Humanities actions — Industrialization, is it really the primary source of Carbon Dioxide? It evidently is not.

    Will the increase in Carbon Dioxide definitely lead to the planet warming? Although there have been many many reports published by research institutes that verify this, but from the viewpoint of the history of man, and scientific method, the theories have not yet achieved scientific proof.

    But, after many years of repeated indoctrination from every kind of propaganda machine [not so funny when the shoe’s on the other foot is it?:)L], and the mixing together of environmental pollution and the exhaustion of natural resources, people have already formed a conditioned reflex, when the wind blows, the grass bends with it, and quickly hang these things on the hook of “carbon”, and attempted to get rid of carbon at a faster rate. We need to start peeling, and get back to the real world, and cannot stick labels everywhere. “Carbon” is the same “carbon” it was before, we must not get in to too much of a fluster. It is with polluted water/effluent, acid rain, destructive logging and waste with which we must struggle over the long term.

    Behind the demonizing of “carbon”, we must recognize that it is the sinister intention of the Developed Countries to attempt to use “carbon” to [block] the living space of the Developing Countries.

    There is only one Earth, natural resources are limited. If according to current technological conditions, Developing Countries had the same living standard as Developed Countries, then we’d need at least 3 to 5 Earth’s to satisfy our apetites. This is what Developed Countries are most afraid of, the development of the Developing Countries poses an enormous threat to their [way of] lives.

    In 2008, the price of foodstuffs substantially increased, [someone] the National President [where?] actually said that the primary reason was because suddenly, one day, 300 million Indians started to eat two bowls of rice, and one billion Chinese started to drink milk.

    In the eyes of some Westerners, the many developing countries have absolutely no right to enjoy the same standard of life as them.

    If we really are equal, are of one mind, and together protect the Earth – our garden, we really can see a beautiful [utopia] in the future. But the Developed countries do not wish to take even the slightest bit of responsibility, they have set up double standards over “carbon emissions”, [all the time] reflecting their arrogance and selfishness.

    Behind “the Carbon Plot” is national interest, it is the bitter struggle for the right to existance by [every?] country.

    At this time, we again see the struggle between two camps, Europe, the USA and other developed countries, and China, India, Brazil, and Russia as the representatives of the Developing Countries, owing to their common interest, now walking closely together.

  192. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania July 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “we discuss “intuition” in its many forms”. Intuition is a real thing. We all know this because at some time or another, we’ve all experienced it.

    If we start with the ballpark definition that intuition is discovering a fact with a feeling of certainty that is not warranted by the number or quality of facts available to you, we’ll get somewhere. If we let it stray into mysticism or the paranormal, the discussion tends to head down the pan.

    Pointman

  193. Something to think about, an alternative view divorced from the petty realm of the transient and mortal.

  194. Pointman says:
    July 17, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    I agree that such phenomena are evidence-based and deduced by thought-mechanisms we cannot readily define owing to their complexity, but also that we have neither the tools nor the perceptual hardware to sort out how we sort out intuitional things. We are in the situation of the fish, which normally goes its entire life without ever seeing its own body yet embraces its limited universe with whatever quantum of equanimity is allotted to the life of the fish.

  195. For all I know, all the little weirdnesses I and others have picked up on in our correspondence online have been entirely a function of our super-conscious brain of brains autonomously reading each others’ intentions and future actions through the syntax of the words typed here on this blogspace, or maybe our thoughts reach each other along the carrier-wave of our net connection. Each of our bodies generate from 10 to 20 watts of electrical power. As a shortwave operator in the 1960’s, I routinely dit-dah’d with South African and British ham radio operators using less than 200 milliwatts of power, I fink on the 40 and 80 meter bands, if memory serves me. I also used a Hallicrafters receiver and a Heathkit DX-80 as a transmitter. Both tube units.

  196. Or on th eother hand, maybe we are entirely filled with sh*t, and being an incompressible semisolid, our brainwaves reach each other on the frequency band of the resonance of our fabian extrusions LOL!

  197. It would be fun to balance what I posted with what Alfred North Whitehead, a devout Methodist, if that’s not an oxymoron (argh, aye LOL), and the consummate geometer who did up Principia Mathematica with Lord Russell to slam-dunk the Nobel Prize in Math, had to say on the subject of time, space and intuition. He was also a moral metaphysician along the lines of Newton, except you can understand what he said.

  198. Locusts, whoever wrote that Chinese treatise needs to down a few with Captain Sherlock, speaking of being on the same wavelength. Obviously, China suffers from an aluminium foil shortage as well as the Dakotas LOL!

  199. Pointman says:

    Tisha B’Av Bear July 17, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    For anyone thinking relativistic time is just theory, the fact is all the GPS satellites above us have their clocks adjusted for exactly that. The gravity well of the Earth distorts the satellites’ time.

    Locusts July 17, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    There’s too much basic sense in this book. It’s bloody brilliant!

    Pointman

  200. crownarmourer says:

    pointman I have always found my gut instincts to be right, however I have enough family tales to make me go hmmmm about seeing the future. It helps to have Celtic ancestry. My grannies cousin saw his own funeral march the day before he was murdered. There are other lesser tales but don’t discount them, reality is stranger than we can imagine, if you ever get doors opening for no reason with no air drafts my advice is to welcome them in (ghost), your life will be unaffected or they will get your attention, its an old custom but works well.

  201. Anywho, it’s 4:40 am here, so I am going to conk out for a few hours. I look forward to responsa of all types and complexions. My basic take is things tend to get both interesting and confusalating at the point where science and metaphysics and personal experience intersect, and that one can only go with what works for the circumstance one is in, in practice.

  202. crownarmourer says:

    Walt goodnight and it beddy byes for me as well, night all and don’t let the ghost stories keep you up. There is far worse than ghosts out there trust me on this.

  203. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Sheesh Walt,

    That was so “mind-stretching” now I have a headache!!!

    Pointman,

    Why does any discussion of the unexplainable have to “head down the pan”? In my experience, it just “is”.

    Locust,

    Thanks for your last instalment. “double standards over “carbon emissions”, [all the time] reflecting their arrogance and selfishness” Is that the inherent mindset of all the people there?

  204. Pointman says:

    Congrats to NoIdea. A poet and a scholar! I liked the other entries too, especially Auralian’s.

    Pointman

  205. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania July 17, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    “Why does any discussion of the unexplainable have to “head down the pan”? In my experience, it just “is”.” – There are areas of ‘intuition’ that are eminently explainable. Having said that, I must explain it…

    A longish post must be crafted. Doh!

    Pointman

  206. Pointman says:

    I’ve thought about intuition a lot and group events involving it into three rough categories.

    Interpersonal Intuition. When you’re interacting with someone on a face to face basis you pick up things from their expression, body language and how they’re expressing themselves vocally. It’s hard to enumerate the number of data streams with certainty nor exactly how each one is processed by the mind but I’m content that I understand the process in the round. When you lose one or more of the data streams, you realise how dependent on them your intuition is. Eg blogging. No visual, vocals, smells etc etc. I suspect this is what proto-humans used before we developed vocal organs sophisticated enough for more complex speech.

    Career Intuition. If you’re good at what you do for a living and do it long enough, you develop a ‘feel’ for things. At a very early stage, you sort of know where situations will end up. You somehow become the guy people ask “Is this feasible?”. I think this a vaguely understood combination of pattern recognition, domain experience and interpersonal intuition.

    Shazam Intuition. This is where a fact or answer pops into your head out of the blue. It’s almost a physical sensation. It’s right and you absolutely know it is. Even reviewing the data available to you reveals no significant causality.

    Pointman

  207. manonthemoor says:

    Good morning from me today

    My post today is just an enormous thank you to all for a great blog.

    It has taken me over 2hours just to catch up on the over night posts.

    So many good posts, such good ideas, so much enthralling reading.

    Just total pleasure, you have NoIdea.

    Finally Congrats NoIdea well done and enjoy the prize.

    and thanks Oz you have saved the day!!

  208. Locusts says:

    Blackswan,

    This is the introduction for the book, after this it dives in to a lot more detail. I suppose if you are trying to get people to buy and read your book, it is helpful to rely on some familiar truisms to get the casual reader interested in these issues. I may be wrong, but i’m sure that the westerner’s double standards is not a new phrase. Chinese, as does Indian, memory goes deep, only last night, a couple of drunk men tried to engage me in an “honest” discussion of my people’s behaviour during the past 200 years.

    Passionate hatred towards Japan is just beneath the surface, and there is also a sizable latent aggression towards America, which came to the surface during America’s “accidental” bombing of the Chinese embassy.

    99% of the time, as they readily tell people themselves, they are the friendiliest, the most inquisitive and the best hosts in the entire world. For that other 1% of the time, however, a decent pair of running shoes may not be a bad investment.

    Any lurkers who disagree with me are more than welcome to say so! As long as you say why!

  209. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Pointman

    When I was young, Shazam Intuition hit me between the eyes so regularly and so alarmingly, sometimes involving matters of life and death that couldn’t possibly be explained by your first two examples, that I consciously “switched it off”.

    The last straw was on the night of my father-in-law’s funeral. I was sitting alone quietly having a cup of tea, wide awake and contemplating an eventful day, when I noticed my father-in-law standing in the doorway wearing a green and white striped hospital gown.

    I asked him what he was doing there as we’d had his funeral today, what’s going on?
    He said “I just came to tell you I’m all right. Don’t worry about me.” I glanced towards the hallway to the bedrooms to see if anyone else had heard him and when I looked back, he’d gone. I was so convinced he was there, I searched all over the place looking for him. I told nobody.

    A couple of days later I asked my sister-in-law who had been at his hospital bedside (we lived interstate and didn’t get there in time) what he had been wearing. She said it was a green and white striped hospital gown.

    If anyone can explain that scenario to me I’d appreciate it. And it was only one of many.

  210. aurelian says:

    @Pointman July 17, 2010 at 7:10pm
    Many thanks for your kind words, which I greatly appreciate.
    Thank you too, Ozboy, for organizing a fun competition and for granting me the accolade of fourth place. (Blushes. Looks bashfully at shoes.)
    I’d also like to thank my mother, without whom I would not have been possible … (Sobs brokenly.)

    Fenbeagle’s hilarious illustration is wonderful. It says all there is to say about the AGW religion.

    Hearty congratulations to NoIdea, Fenbeagle and Izen.
    aurelian 17JUL10@1150BST

  211. izen says:

    @- Tisha B’Av Bear says:
    July 17, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    “It would be fun to balance what I posted with what Alfred North Whitehead, a devout Methodist, if that’s not an oxymoron (argh, aye LOL), and the consummate geometer who did up Principia Mathematica with Lord Russell to slam-dunk the Nobel Prize in Math, had to say on the subject of time, space and intuition. ”

    Like most (all?) religionists Whitehead was a Platonist. His response to Einsteins’ relativity was to try and re-establish an ABSOLUTE underlying spatial/temporal metric.
    He was not alone in this, it was, and still is a common response, the implication from special and general relativity (SR/GR) that there is no place for a unifying or universal clock or measured distance has been a philosophical irritant to Dualists with their desire for absolutes since the SR and GR were published.

    The main vehicle of this attempt was A N Whitehead’s gravitational theory that makes many of the same predictions as Einstein’s relativity, but includes an absolute spatial metric, a re-introduction of the ‘luminiferous aether’ effectively.

    However it fails to hold up experimentally on other aspects/predictions from GR and whatever its philosophical attractions for absolutists, it is a dead duck as a physical theory with explanatory or descriptive power.

    http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0611/0611006v1.pdf

    The web is littered with attempts to refute SR/GR or propose an alternative theory which is consistent with experimental findings but retains an absolute metric. They all fail from internal contradiction or experimental refutation – or both.

    I have a nice parable about a ladder and a shed if anyone is interested in why the idea of simultaneous events is a crock.

  212. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania July 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Hi Swan,

    The phenomenon of ‘seeing’ a person shortly after their death is known and accepted in many cultures. The Irish commonly ask of bereaved persons whether they have ‘seen’ the dead person yet. It’s a real, accepted and even an expected thing. How often have you heard the bereaved say “I just can’t believe it. I’m expecting them to walk through that door”. I think the ‘seeing’ thing is the mind doing just that for them. The nightgown thing is either inexplicable or a complete coincidence.

    ‘Seeing’ though is not intuition as I roughly defined it above.

    Pointman

  213. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Congratulations to everyone who entered to writing competition, you all did a great job.

    MOTM
    Really glad you’ve joined us – always good to hear from you.

    Locust

    Thanks for your insight. A Chinese friend/work colleague once explained to me that the word his countrymen used to describe Australians was “barbarian”. He didn’t mean it in the sense of “screaming hoards” that we envisage, he meant we have no history, no culture, no respect, choose to use coarse (insensitive) language and are poorly educated. This was said without malice or accusation, just very matter-of-fact. He laughed and said his own father would have boxed his ears for speaking in such a direct coarse/insensitive fashion. He’d been in Oz too long.

    A Turkish carpenter was installing a new kitchen for me once, and as we chatted over a cuppa and it was near Anzac Day, I asked him what Turks thought of the Gallipoli campaign of 1915. He said they don’t think of it at all.

    He said his country had been overrun by foreigners so many times in its history that he’d never heard of the Gallipoli invasion until he came out here.

    During the Bosnian conflict my Serbian next-door neighbours told me all about their view of the situation and I never read about that perspective in any newspaper.

    I’m always interested in other cultures and perspectives, but I remain eternally curious as to why we white Anglos are the only species of humanity who are expected to renounce our history, psychologically abandon our “tribe” and always acquiesce to others. For other cultures, to befriend one’s forefathers’ enemies is to disrespect and disgrace the ancestors’ spirits and their sacrifices.

    That seems to be why centuries-old enmities survive today.

    Always interesting.

  214. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Pointman,

    I’ve never known anyone else who “saw” the dear departed. Maybe I don’t know enough Irish people…LOL

    It was the nightgown that did my head in. I’d never been to that hospital and have never seen a gown that colour before or since. If it was my psyche “wanting” such a reassuring visit from a man I greatly admired and respected, why wasn’t he at least wearing the suit he was buried in, instead of the gown he died in?

    There are some questions that just aren’t meant to be answered.

  215. Locusts says:

    This is the final section of the introduction, all thoughts welcomed

    5. Carbon, whose neck is strangled?

    Carbon, whose neck is strangled?

    “Carbon tax” and “carbon emissions reductions” will provide you with the answer.

    Europe and America have already entered the post-industrialized age. Heavy pollution, and heavy reliance on coal, oil, and other fossil fuels, labour intensive industries, have mostly been passed on to the Developing Countries.

    The Developed Countries’ “Carbon tax” and “carbon emissions reductions”, have become two of the most effective weapons with which to oppress Developing Countries. After donning the “moral overcoat”, they start to attack the Developing Countries.

    The wishful thinking of the Developed Countries is to sustain the current international situation, they can not let the poor countries destroy their [insert adjective of your choice] life.

    Up to this point, countries such as Europe[sic] and the USA have used “carbon tax” and “carbon emissions reductions” to claim the moral high ground, and are putting an enormous amount of pressure on China and other Developing Countries.

    Most behind the “carbon tax” is the USA, this cannot be separated from America’s trade organizations. America has the largest trade deficit in the world, primarily imported low value added goods, like oil, coal, and some manufactured goods that it is heavily reliant on, its primary exports are high-tech products. These products’ reliance on oil, coal and related substances, is comparatively low. The American tertiary sector has been in surplus for a long time. If the “carbon tax” was imposed, Developing Countries’ products would lose competitiveness in the American marketplace. This is the best excuse possible for America to implement protectionism, which will also help America reduce the impact of the [recent economic crisis].

    The primary mover behind “carbon emissions reductions” is the European Union, the region where new energy resources technology is leagues ahead of the other countries in the world. They have already prepared [every kind of rule book for] the “Low Carbon Age”; this is an arranged set of factors [trap], waiting for Developing Countries to meander in.

    As Developing Countries are currently in the rapidly industrializing and urbanizing stage; if the “Carbon emissions reductions” proposals proposed by the European Union were implemented, in order to reduce carbon emissions, Developing Countries would pay a heavy price, and lose hard to come by opportunities for development.

    At present, “carbon tax” and “carbon emissions reduction” have already become a convergence of trends, the international [bureau/consensus?] has evolved in to the EU, America, and other Developed Countries in a confrontation with China, India, Brazil, South Africa, the heads of the Developing Countries.

    The recent Climate Change Conference at Copenhagen (4C) proved that the struggle between the two camps in the worlds is becoming more heated day by day. Carbon emissions reductions will, after today, become the primary ground for every country to wrestle over.[/with each other]

    Many research institutes have already lost [the ability?] for truth and steadfastness, with the shadows of American and European credit [and investment] flickering behind them, they have descended to becoming hatchetmen and accomplices.

    Yet at the present moment, China and other countries still have enough time to [wriggle] out of this. The Developed Countries do not wish to take responsibility for the technology, capital and other related obligations. Their intent to use carbon emission reductions to establish a barrier to development is obvious; China and the Third World still hold the advantage in the United Nations, and can form a useful way to [something] Developed Countries. The encircling of carbon is continuing, this is a [smokeless] war [a cold war, not a hot war, its influence on the future configuration of the world will be incredibly deep. Developing Countries are again facing a tough challenge, and it could require the Developing Countries to form an alliance to confront the Developed Countries, to struggle to obtain their own space to live.

    China, as a responsible big country [Great Power?] must continue to act as the representative who acts in the interests of the Third World, and must expose the lies of America and the other countries who use carbon tax as a way to continue to [oppress] the peoples of the Third World, to look after the national interest, and sustain the advantages of development, and avoid carbon taxes like Japan’s “[factory agreement?]”, thus becoming chains constraining China’s future development.

    Taking the long view, China positively must increaseresearch in to renewables, and to continuously be at the front of the wave of technological development, to strive to be at the head of the renewables technology research, so as to ensure that at the next technological revolution, China is the leader, and not just passively responding [to changes]. China also needs to take hold of the opportunity of low carbon technologies, to positively restructure industry, [sort out] backwards manufacturing capacity, and reduce reliance on imports and exports, to positively transform the method of economic growth, and to strive to take the initiative in international trade disputes. With the current conditions, China has an enormous population, with a vast difference in economic performance in eastern and western regions. After the [next-gen] high speed rail network has been completed, the internal Chinese market will [grow] at a faster rate.

    A war over the [encirclement] of carbon has started, this is a war of life and death, neither side can afford to lose, this will be a long war, in the short term, it is impossible to know whom to expect to win; this is a war [of those for] the conspiracy and [those] against the conspiracy. It is related to the destiny of the Developing and Un-Developed Countries, who have 80% of the world’s population, this is a fight of life and death.

    We need to be rational, soberly and scientifically attack every issue to do with “carbon”, we mustn’t become accomplices [of the enemy], and must work in accord with China’s development, and in the interests of the whole of humanity with regards to “carbon policy strategy”.

  216. NoIdea says:

    @All

    Somewhat lost for words, appropriateness escapes me
    Blown away, I have evolved beyond my grub beginnings
    With the help of fiends and nemesis a butterfly emerges
    Chaotic and unseemly times, new friends and places
    Hair that stands and cheers with flattering new praises
    No longer lost upon a wave of ethereal disgust
    It feels as if I am at home, at last
    Altered perceptions of reality
    May show us a hint of what is there
    But that we think that we cannot see
    If we are defined by what we say, and what we do
    It seems I am now a poetical oaf and not just a political fool

    I would like to give many thanks to all. I would like to add how much I enjoyed all the poems, fantastic stuff.

    Izen

    Thank you for that link to the Multiple Deaths of Whitehead’s Theory of Gravity.
    It looks to be of great interest to me. I look forward to attempting to comprehend it.

    I just had to nick a sentence of yours and paraphrase a touch…

    However AGW fails to hold up experimentally on other aspects/predictions from GHG and whatever its philosophical attractions for absolutists, it is a dead duck as a physical theory with explanatory or descriptive power.

    Do we agree now that the sky is blue, except when it Iznt?

    NoIdea

    PS please do parabalise me, I am a bit of a shed expert…

  217. Pointman says:

    Blackswan Tasmania July 17, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    When my father died, my mother ‘saw’ him several times as did another family member. I’ve heard first hand of the thing many times and the common denominator I noticed was that the deceased was always someone “I greatly admired and respected”, in your words. ie loved.

    “During the Bosnian conflict my Serbian next-door neighbours told me all about their view of the situation and I never read about that perspective in any newspaper.”

    I use google news, amongst other things, as a digest. Certain news items I’m interested in, I read everything I can get my hands on. It can be very revealing what the foreign press can tell you about what’s really happening. Simply change the language tab to Russain or whatever. Drop the link to articles into Babelfish et Voila! A whole new viewpoint.

    Pointman

  218. Pointman says:

    Swan, eg

    http://news.google.co.uk/news/search?aq=f&cf=all&ned=de&hl=de&q=australien

    Drop URL into Babelfish http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ after setting German to English option

    Pointman

  219. Pointman says:

    Locusts July 17, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    “We need to be rational, soberly and scientifically attack every issue to do with “carbon”, we mustn’t become accomplices [of the enemy], and must work in accord with China’s development, and in the interests of the whole of humanity with regards to “carbon policy strategy”.”

    In a nutshell.

    Pointman

  220. manonthemoor says:

    Sorry loved this from the JD blog

    RR says the Royal Navy will return to sail, and tanks will be replaced by horses….

    also…
    The army is to receive renewable crossbows. Wood is to be the material of choice for armour, in the form of shields. All explosives are to be banned from western armies. It is expected that Nations in the East, and middle east, that are still catching up with the west, will continue to use them, but will follow the wests example over time. And phase them out voluntarily.
    This new ‘Green warfare’ technology should create many new jobs, and should be welcomed. Although it is expected that much of this will be supplied by China.
    Due to the excessive use of coal, steel production is to be discouraged. And so swords would be better made from bronze. Experiments are being carried out with strapping flint to wood. It is hoped to carry out field trials with the new echo friendly weapons in Afghanistan shortly.

  221. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    More ruminations on ‘the kingdom of the middle earth’.

    With thanks to Locusts,

    China, as a responsible big country [Great Power?] must continue to act as the representative who acts in the interests of the Third World, and must expose the lies of America and the other countries who use carbon tax as a way to continue to [oppress] the peoples of the Third World

    Without doubt China sees the third world as ‘her dominion’ it is (bar Australia) the larder it raids for its primary resources.
    China has the power and now it has the muscle to make great, (vast even) improvements in the lots of civilian populations of it’s African satellites/Empire, now it can be argued to and fro about British sovereign interests in Africa.
    The British were in the Sudan for 70 years and for those years there was a relative peace, China is now the main backer, there is no peace in Dar fur, Chinese influence is not by any means benign, in Sudan they prop up a rabidly anti African peoples, Islamic butcher, who is several sandwiches short of a picnic. There is vast wealth in Sudan, oil and other minerals and it allows access to Chad which has oil, Chad in the last 5-10 years has been systematically destabilised, three guess for who is responsible for that.
    China’s influence in the DRC is growing, the rebellion is still strong, it does not suit China’s purpose to see the civil war quelled so it is furnished and stoked, China still has the mineral rights to much of the mineral wealth of the DRC.
    China arms Mugabe in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, enough said.

    I am not anti China but I am a realist in more things than merely AGW, the Chinese are at basic level, pragmatists.
    I regard myself as the same, we in Britain have a civilisation which stretches back a few years as well, it is best summed up in a word coined by Ludwig von Rochau, in REALPOLITIK.

    China should be nudged in the right direction and for our part we cannot demand resource like poly-silicons and vast wind turbines from China to assuage the west eco zealots, whilst at the same time preachifying that, China limits it’s emissions, do we think the Chinese are stupid??
    Because if we do, then we are making a grave error.
    For my part I knew China would stall at Dopenhagen, there always was to much at stake for the Chinese nation.

    I thank Locusts for his eye opening translations and aver, we should open our eyes too.

    Ed.

  222. Edward. says:

    manonthemoor says:
    July 17, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Brilliant!
    Thank you Motm and RR!

    Ed.

  223. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    manonthemoor says:
    July 17, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Sorry MOTM & RR,

    This will never do!! In this country you just can’t go about chopping down trees. Our Gummint will fine you heavily. However, if you find an old bit of dead stick lying about our black fellas are just the blokes to show you how to fix a bit of sharp stone on the end of it. In fact, they are such experts in stone age warfare that if you can whittle down a bit of bent branch and chuck that at your enemies, it’ll come whizzing right back to you so you don’t even have to go and pick it up again for further use. Now THAT’s recycling for you.

  224. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Pointman says:
    July 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Wow Pointy, thanks for the heads-up on the babelfish link. Didn’t know you could do that. I’ll have fun with it.

  225. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    manonthemoor says:
    July 17, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Thanks for the Warner link. He’s one of the few I bother reading “over there”.

  226. Pointman says:

    Swan. “I’ll have fun with it” – watch out, reading a Russian commentary on an Oz story can really rock your world view!

    Pointman

  227. izen says:

    @ Noidea –
    “PS please do parabalise me, I am a bit of a shed expert…”

    There are various forms of the shed-ladder barn-pole paradox that crop up in descriptions of SR, it doesn’t seem to be attributed to anyone….

    Once upon a time, or possible two times…
    Noidea and izen were arguing over the relative sizes of the shed and ladder they owned.
    Noidea stated that the izen ladder would fit in his shed, izen claimed his ladder was longer than the shed and would not fit in.
    They both got a tape measure and each went and measured their ladder and the shed. The ladder was 10ft long, the shed 8ft.

    “Ha ha” said izen “I win, my ladder is longer than your shed.

    “My shed is rather special” said Noidea “it has a door at each end which I can close simultaneously with a single lever, if you keep the ladder moving I can show you a film in which BOTH doors are closed with your ladder inside the shed.”

    Rather suspicious, izen agreed to try it.

    “Just keep the ladder moving from the front door to the back door at a speed of at least 6inches per nanosecond” said Noidea, “and I’ll close both doors when you are completely inside.”

    So izen picked up the ladder, and some extra equipment, and sprinted towards the shed. Rapidly he carried the ladder through the front door and out the back door.

    Noidea then showed the video he had taken of izen with the ladder running through the shed. Sure enough there was a (brief!) moment when the ladder, shortened by Lorentz contraction along the direction of its travel fitted within the shed and in that instant Noidea had closed BOTH doors.

    “Fraud, fake, photoshopped!” roared izen “I took the precaution of carrying my own camera and measuring devices and I know what really happened.”

    With that izen showed Noidea his own video and measurements, his ladder had never changed dimensions, a little laser measuring device had continuously measured it and it never shortened from its 10ft length. Another laser measuring device had measured the shed and contrary to Noidea’s claim it was barely 6ft long. But the final damming evidence was that in the video it could be clearly seen that the back door closed, then opened several (brief!) moments BEFORE the front door moved. The doors had not closed at the same time as Noidea’s pictures showed, there was never any moment when both doors were closed, the back door had clearly closed before the front door, and opened before the front door closed.

    Who was right, who had cheated?

    Both are right – according to their own point of view. And in relativity, there is no absolute point of view.

    The Lorentz contraction with relative velocity is a measured fact of the universe we inhabit, but the result here seems to be a destruction of any common or absolute agreement about whether events can be described as happening at the same time or sequentially.
    It seems impossi – er well EXTREMELY difficult to formulate any unified common absolute concept of time that can be applied without contradiction or paradox to frames of reference which do not share a common velocity.

  228. fenbeagle says:

    Manonthemoor
    I’ve been looking for that, all over?!!! I tried posting it on JD’s blog, three times, and it kept disappearing….I didn’t post it here…….. But here it is! (Obviously, it was top secret)
    …..Bet you thought I was just joking?!

  229. fenbeagle says:

    RealityReturns
    As I’m not allowed to post it, can I take you up on your kind offer to post it on JD for me? Manonthemoor has it…….(Careful, its slippery)

  230. manonthemoor says:

    fenbeagle
    July 18, 2010 at 3:02 am

    Sorry fen did not intentionally leave the attribute to you off

    But all is well that ends well

    Regards

  231. NoIdea says:

    Izen 2:40 am

    I have taken the liberty of butchering your parable into reality.

    Once upon a time, or possible two times…
    NoIdea and izen were arguing over the relative sizes of the shed and ladder they owned.

    NoIdea stated that the izen ladder would fit in his shed, izen claimed his ladder was longer than the shed and would not fit in.
    They both got a tape measure and each went and measured their ladder and the shed. The ladder was 10ft long, the shed 8ft.

    “Ha ha” said izen “I win, my ladder is longer than your shed.

    “My shed is rather special” said Noidea “it has a door at one end which I can close, if you take into account that as well as length it has height you will quickly see that it will fit.”

    Rather suspicious, izen agreed to try it.

    Even after he had seen the ladder in the shed izen refused to believe it. That is in direct contradiction of the Lorentz-Boltzman contraction theory I have tested and approved he mused.

    NoIdea then showed the video he had taken of izen with the ladder running through the shed. Man, was it funny, remember, this shed only has one door…

    “Fraud, fake, photoshopped!” roared izen “I took the precaution of carrying my own camera and measuring devices and I know what really happened.”

    With that izen showed NoIdea his own video and measurements, his ladder had never changed dimensions, a little laser measuring device had continuously measured it and it never shortened from its 10ft length. Another laser measuring device had measured the shed and it was still 8ft long, such a shame that it didn’t do tall.

    Who was right, who had cheated?

    Both are right – according to their own point of view. Just because the ladder is in the shed does not mean that izen can perceive this fact. If his view of the universe is truly 2 dimensional then there can be no “up”

    It seems EXTREMELY easy to show every one else the ladder in the shed, it seems most can deal with the concept of “up”.

    Your homework is still not in from last time.

    Today’s mission if you choose to accept it…

    Can you work out how “tall” my 8ft long shed would have to be to fit in your 10ft long ladder?

    A clue…the ancient Greeks knew the math!

    Part 2 of your homework, whom stated…

    “In summary, We can put bulbs in toasters, Polar Bears in microwaves and any other smoke and mirrors nonsense from now ’till the next Dalton Minimum, NONE of it will demonstrate that the minute human additions to atmospheric CO2 levels are anything other than trivial.”

    Will you find who said this much more recent quote?

    NoIdea

  232. izen says:

    @ Noidea –
    “Your homework is still not in from last time.
    Today’s mission if you choose to accept it…
    Can you work out how “tall” my 8ft long shed would have to be to fit in your 10ft long ladder?
    A clue…the ancient Greeks knew the math!
    Part 2 of your homework, whom stated…”

    Check back, I did identify the last quote you mined, and I hope indicated why such mining is prone to misrepresentation…

    As for the ‘3rd dimension’ in the shed, did you think the dimensions where picked at random?
    A 3,4,5 triangle is a Pythagorean right angle triangle.
    3/4/5 == 6/8/10 so if your shed is 6 ft high or wide you can get it in diagonally!
    But that really doesn’t help reinstate an absolute temporal or spatial metric.
    -grin-

  233. izen says:

    Its only local weather, but as RR was so fond of quoting from Dr Briggs, local weather adds up over time and space into climate…

    So for the Tasmanians here, how did the weather in the month of June compare with, say, the average for June in Tasmania between the 60s-80s?
    Was it warmer or colder, and by how much ?
    When was the maximum temperature ever recorded for any month in Tasmania?

  234. manonthemoor says:

    @ Izen @ NoIdea

    Are you two havin a love in in that shed lol

  235. fenbeagle says:

    Manonthemoor
    No problem at all. You did me a service…… Thankyou. But why is this happening? It shouldn’t be this difficult to post on JD?!!!

  236. Pointman says:

    Fen, you’re a marked doggie …

    Pointman

  237. manonthemoor says:

    Fen ta

    Chat over at Rastech is even better

    RGDS

  238. Pointman says:

    Agreed MOTM. The science is looking like Chemistry, if you know what I mean. Grins slyly …

    Pointy with the horns.

  239. NoIdea says:

    Izen

    “Check back, I did identify the last quote you mined, and I hope indicated why such mining is prone to misrepresentation…”

    UM still F- It was not Albert Einstein it was Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington.

    Please do point me to the reply that you named Sir Arthur in and I will of course upgrade you to an A+

    Well done on today’s mission, Pythagorean right angle triangle math, and, my shed is wide, tall and long. 10/10

    How is today’s homework coming along?

    NoIdea

    MOTM

    I am lost for words, will this state continue…

  240. Pointman says:

    And as for ladders getting poked into holes …

    Pointman.

    ps. Be aware, Hank’s watching you both.

  241. izen says:

    @ Noidea
    “UM still F- It was not Albert Einstein it was Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington.”

    I stand corrected – and justly marked!

  242. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    As I’m typing this a Labour politician (Burnham I think) is on the radio, bleating about the Tories cutting the BBC budget (the best news I’ve heard in recent times!), if it is true………… the real reason Labour scum are suffering loosening bowels is that the BBC is their greatest publicity outlet and the Beeb are the Socialist’s greatest advocates, ergo cut the BBC and cut the life blood of the Labour scum…. Bring it on!!!

    More madness here, the idea of ‘growing’ fuel is cracked thinking.
    Of course the EU thinks it a very good idea, (which is why it is a sh*t idea), they should have a butchers at this piece:
    http://www.grist.org/article/2010-07-16-ethanol-gets-skewered-by-recent-cbo-assessment/

    Ed.

  243. orkneylad says:

    NoIdea:

    One of my faves just for you:

    Best,
    OL

  244. orkneylad says:

    NoIdea:

    A favourite just for you:

    Bronowski on Pythagoras’ Theorem

    Best,
    OL

  245. orkneylad says:

    NoIdea:

    A favourite just for you:

    Bronowski on Pythagoras’ Theorem
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOvpV0CuEdc

    Best,
    OL

  246. NoIdea says:

    Izen

    A further clue for homework part 2…

    On my screen the answer you seek is shown as arriving 40 minutes ago. This is almost defiantly and definitely erroneous. Does this help with the quest, or does it prove that time is indeed relative?

    NoIdea

  247. manonthemoor says:

    More absolute gems from Fenbeagle on JD

    The new aircraft carriers planned for the Royal Navy. Could easily be converted to sail. And possibly be powered by wind turbines also, on those big decks. No possibility for jet aircraft to take off though. And not good for bats, either.
    …. But big savings on fuel.
    Possibly the turbines will scatter enemy radar.
    Well trained echo friendly microlights, might still be able to manage landings. Paint red lines on the turbine blades, and pilots should be able to avoid them.

    Converting our nuclear submarine fleet to renewable, or wind power, is however, proving a bit problematic. Diving depth being somewhat reduced by the requirement for the wind turbine blades to be clear of the water line. Although the new ‘vertical’ wind turbines are proving more useful.
    However it has been noticed that the turbines being clear of the water, are highly visible.
    Although its hoped that a solution might yet be arrived at, the large towed raft, containing the back up nuclear reactor, is proving difficult to conceal.
    Earlier attempts involving a large scaffold tower, with a Lidles pump up paddling pool, for pumped storage, have not met with MOD approval.
    Work is still underway on the solar powered torpedoes of course.
    Its thought that solar might not be the full solution, but could be part of a mix, involving tidal power and geo thermal.
    Trials being carried out, on a large forward opening scoop, on submarines, and through putting sea water, to operate the new Vivace system, have resulted in complaints from the seamen, who have had their laundry ruined.

    I laughed till I`cried lol

    Enjoy

  248. scud1 says:

    MOTM…Thanks for sharing and well done Fen’!…Perfect.

  249. scud1 says:

    Hey…MOTM. Seeing as ‘Amazongate’ seems to have ducked below the water line like a solar powered torpedo how about a story of war between the eco-greenies and the fully tooled up…swivel eyed, barking bonkers ‘libertarians’?…Maybe just one battle scene to make it digestible?

  250. izen says:

    @ Blackswan Tasmania says:
    July 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    “I’m always interested in other cultures and perspectives, but I remain eternally curious as to why we white Anglos are the only species of humanity who are expected to renounce our history, psychologically abandon our “tribe” and always acquiesce to others. For other cultures, to befriend one’s forefathers’ enemies is to disrespect and disgrace the ancestors’ spirits and their sacrifices.

    That seems to be why centuries-old enmities survive today.”

    One perspective on this, and by a self-declared libertarian, is that there are competing social memes of how to run a stable society. David Brin suggested there are four basic social systems that shape the social order. He divides them into –

    1) Paranoia, – the paradigm being the Russian culture that has been invaded by outsiders every generation and as a result favours strong rulers who claim the ability to defend its sutonomy, even if its at the expense of individual freedoms.

    2) Machismo, – its a worldview dominant in wide areas of Latin America, Africa, the Middle East. It favours the individual, but as part of a strict hierachy. It is old and succesfull, running social structures from hunter-gaterer times, through cheifdoms/tribes and into feudalism. Mothers teach their sons that they should aspire to grow into powerful men who deflower virgins and seduce other mens’ wives, but that they must pursue to the death any man who does this to their daughter or wife – after first killing their daughter or wife as a matter of honour…

    3) Eastern, – this has been a succesful and relatively benign worldview for a very long time. Like machismo and paranoia it favours a heirachy, but also values tradition and personal skill/expertise, so there is some social mobility as meritocracy within the traditions enables the brightest sons (and yes, daughters) of the peasantry to rise up, gradually, if they don’t offend or get too far out of line. But the crux is individualism is dangerous. Deviation and eccentricity are worse. The nail that sticks up gets hammered down. And as Blackswan describes to befriend one’s forefathers’ enemies is to disrespect and disgrace the ancestors’ spirits and their sacrifices. Homogeneity and admiration of past golden ages is its foundation.

    4) the Dogma of Otherness, as Brin describes, this has always been a rare aberration in past societies, but is now gaining strength in Western culture since the renaissance and industrial revolution. Unlike the other worldviews it values novelty and difference has a hunger for diversity. An eagerness for change. It regards tolerance as a virtue and encourages suspicion of authority. As Brin describes, it also has a different view of history –
    “Its notion of a Golden Age, for instance, does not reside in some lost, lamented past but in a future that our children may create, if we hand them tools and a better world to work with. The importance of this reversal in the perceived timeflow of wisdom cannot be overstated. It represents a sea change in the human relationship with time.”
    It is also the bedrock of the libertarian tradition with its emphasis on freedom from prescriptive governance and the autonomy of the individual.

    Brin makes the point about the difference in these ways of constructing societies with a comparison with the likely outcome of aliens landing in each of these cultures. In the paranoid, machiso and eastern cultures the military would arrive and face the aliens, suspicious of their motives, their strength or their threat to tradition and stability.
    In Western societies most of the military would be facing outwards, trying to prevent the newhounds, novelty seekers and groupies from trying to find out what they want, eat and do for sex…

    Try this link for a short, essay on this subject which I have been trying to precis –

    http://www.davidbrin.com/newmemewar1.html

    The dogma of otherness, the willingness to contemplate change, modify rules and adopt novel ideas is a key component in the progress made by western culture, whether it is colonial expansion or scientific advances. It is often in conflict with machismo, paranoia and traditionalism, but without it the dominance of western culture around most of the globe would not have happened. While the meme of seeking diversity and novelty has taken us to every corner of the world in a way that paranoia, tradition and machismo have not, it has also infected most of the globe despite the best efforts of the entrenched social worldviews to resist it.

  251. Pointman says:

    izen July 18, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “… David Brin suggested …” – Yes but never mind Mr. Brin, whoever the Hell he is, what do you yourself think Izen?

    Pointman

  252. Pointman says:

    The problem with really studying the natives is that a some juncture you begin to realise, they’ve got a point. That’s called going native.

    Pointman

  253. izen says:

    @ Pointman says:
    July 18, 2010 at 9:32 am
    ” – Yes but never mind Mr. Brin, whoever the Hell he is, what do you yourself think Izen?”

    I agree with his analysis which is expressed rather more eloquently than I could manage.
    The ‘classic’ political labels -left/right, liberal/authoritarian are insufficient and misleading, they omit or obscure deeper structures of social organisation.
    Common traits of what is valued or discouraged in historical societies emerge, independent of the claimed or ascribed political/religious nomenclature.

    The modern (at least since the industrial revolution) appetite for novelty and change is untried over the sort of millenial timescales that other stable societies have shown they can operate, but it is that very tolerance of diversity and rejection of tradition that have enabled western culture to expand and dominate the globe, something not achieved by any other form of stable social order.

    The Roman empire would perhaps be the closest parallel, but there I would argue that it had elements of tolerance and an appetite for diversity that made it a modified traditionalism at least, if not a fully-fledged addict of otherness.

  254. Pointman says:

    I asked you what you thought and you come back with –

    “The ‘classic’ political labels -left/right, liberal/authoritarian are insufficient and misleading, they omit or obscure deeper structures of social organisation.” -Ohhh dose deeper structures …

    “Common traits of what is valued or discouraged in historical societies emerge, independent of the claimed or ascribed political/religious nomenclature.” – I’m being Christian here and I’m sure there is an intended content but after due dilligence, it’s eluded me.

    “The Roman empire would perhaps be the closest parallel, but there I would argue that it had elements of tolerance and an appetite for diversity that made it a modified traditionalism at least, if not a fully-fledged addict of otherness.” – as a conisseur of flannel bollocks, I have to congratulate you on this paragraph. It’s extremely impressive bollocks especially the “fully-fledged addict of otherness” bit. That’s classy bollocks. Can I borrow it?

    Listen up all you lurkers out there and especially you final year bonzos who’re really starting to sweat. This is the perfect example of how to write an impressive missive which is:-

    a) Fact free.
    b) Content free.
    c) Semantically neutered.
    d) Irrefutable.
    e) Going to be a 2-3 at best …

    It is the model of the 21st century thesis that will get you your degree in England in these sad and degenerate days. The shape of things to come or the sad appurtenance of worth. The victory of eloquent shadow over substance. I will slouch my own way to Armegeddon.

    Pointman

  255. Froggy the Ex-Tex says:

    G’day Y’all.

    Gosh, you guys do get busy when I turn my back for five minutes.

    Pointman, thanks for your response about Dietrich and I shall re-visit it when I am more intelligent. As for what you say about her choice of material/singing: I suspected as much. But hey, we all work with what we have. I would love a greater range than I have, especially low, since I think I sound better near the bottom of my range: something to work on.

    Just goofing off in the hotel — tomorrow we arrive in Florida! Yay! Not that Texas is terrible. But that chapter is over. And Florida feels like home in a way that Texas never can.

    Do any of you know that Georgie Fame hit (did he really have any others?), ‘Yeh Yeh’?
    My mum had it on a 45 r.p.m. — she bought it as a sweet young thing when it came out. I never thought of it as past-it pop: it has a sparkle and punch, and it’s a hell of a long way from ‘Hot Diggity Dog Diggity’ and that sort of crap.

  256. Froggy the Ex-Tex says:

    Where’s me avatar? This should fix it.

  257. Amanda says:

    How about now?

  258. Amanda says:

    I’ve lost me frog. Never mind.

  259. Locusts says:

    As I read this I thought:
    David Brin suggested there are four basic social systems that shape the social order:
    1.)Paranoia, wierdos
    2) Machismo, wierdos with black eyes and green willies
    3) Eastern, boring farts
    4) the Dogma of Otherness… Unlike the other worldviews it values novelty and difference has a hunger for diversity. An eagerness for change. It regards tolerance as a virtue and encourages suspicion of authority….yeah, yeah, this is me, and my friends, my god, I’m so glad I come from England, we guys know the score!

    The problem with our culture having been at the fore front of world history for the past 2-300 years is that it is easy to forget that once, and for a very long time, we were a dusty little back water.

    Here is a quote from my philosopher of the day, Sickboy:
    Sick Boy: It’s certainly a phenomenon in all walks of life.
    Renton: What do you mean?
    Sick Boy: Well, at one time, you’ve got it… and then you lose it… and it’s gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Lou Reed…
    Renton: Some of his solo stuff’s not bad.
    Sick Boy: No, it’s not bad, but it’s not great either. And in your heart you kind of know that although it sounds all right, it’s actually just… shite.
    Renton: So who else?
    Sick Boy: Charlie Nicholas, David Niven, Malcolm McLaren, Elvis Presley…
    Renton: OK, OK, so what’s the point you’re trying to make?
    Sick Boy: All I’m trying to do is help you understand that The Name of The Rose is merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.
    Renton: What about The Untouchables?
    Sick Boy: I don’t rate that at all.
    Renton: Despite the Academy Award?
    Sick Boy: That means fuck all. It’s a sympathy vote.
    Renton: Right. So we all get old and then we can’t hack it anymore. Is that it?
    Sick Boy: Yeah.
    Renton: That’s your theory?
    Sick Boy: Yeah. Beautifully fucking illustrated.

  260. Ozboy says:

    There seems to be a lot of interest in frogs in the sceptic world!

    For those who haven’t seen it, can I recommend what is without doubt the funniest nature documentary ever made…

  261. Amanda says:

    Hi again…

    Then years later she bought Elton John’s best work ever, his masterpiece: Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy. I love every song on that album, an evergreen if ever there was one.

    e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kan_6pjynaU&feature=related
    x

  262. crownarmourer says:

    Amanda the old ones are the best.

  263. crownarmourer says:

    Or this one.

  264. Amanda says:

    Crown, is that the one where he sings about an eskimo? I never understood that. Do you need to do drugs first?

  265. crownarmourer says:

    amanda unfortunately the title of his album has a different meaning these days….Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy
    Was he trying to tell us something.

  266. Amanda says:

    Ozboy, thanks for the cane toads education and also, I enjoyed the entries on the Writing Competition page.

  267. crownarmourer says:

    Amanda yes you would need drugs to listen to anything from 1967 to 1976, I strongly recommend against using drugs while listening to Santana apparently what should be a 20 minute Album side can last about 10 hours, or so I have been told.

    Santana at the Sydney Entertainment Centre in ’83 was the best live gig I ever saw. 10 hours if it was a minute – Oz

  268. Amanda says:

    By the way, the kudzu vine was planted all over the southeastern USA, at least by the 1950s and possibly earlier, to control erosion on hillsides near highways etc., despite the occasional expert warning that kudzu was wildly invasive, smothered every tree and plant in its wake, and would prove to be a major, expensive headache. Well, guess what? It has changed the look of, e.g. the Great Smoky Mountains, is wildly invasive (leave your house alone long enough and you won’t be able to see it any more), is extremely difficult to remove or destroy, and is a major, nearly insoluble problem. Apparently you can cook it and eat it, though. If we could get enough Americans to eat their kudzu, maybe we would have a solution….

  269. Amanda says:

    Crown, Santana — thank you — I was looking for something else to listen to. Black Magic Woman: I do like the original Peter Green/Fleetwood Mac version, though of course it’s not nearly so exotic and layered. Also, Peter Green was a fruitcake. But we won’t hold that against the song.

  270. Amanda says:

    Hey, good for you, Oz!

  271. Amanda says:

    By the way, is it just me, or is the latest JD blog and comments section (I looked an hour or so ago) a total snooze cruise this time?

    Before Disqus, it was just us anyway; maybe half a dozen folks, including 3 Aussies (middle of the day here). they’ve either found there way over here, or given up in disqust – Oz

  272. crownarmourer says:

    Because I like over the top stuff.

  273. Amanda says:

    Crown,
    Well, he was Captain Fantastic; Bernie Taupin was the Brown Dirt Cowboy. Are you suggesting that he was really Captive Fanspastic and Taupin was the Town Flirt Wowtoy?

  274. Amanda says:

    Crown: I agree, for OTT your selection is hard to beat.

    Here’s one of my nominations for OTT:

  275. crownarmourer says:

    Ozboy so a friend told you as well.
    Amanda I hate kudzu, I once rented a room from a friend when I was separated from my first wife and part of the rent was mowing about an acre and a half yard complete with hidden obstacles and copper head snakes. I also had the task of clearing out about 5 years of neglect in which time kudzu was everywhere cutting it down from trees and pulling down the vines took me two years to control it and many cuts and scars, even burning does not work as it’s roots go way deep and it can grow real fast and nothing eats it.

  276. Amanda says:

    But for Deep South OTTness, this is tops:

  277. Amanda says:

    Crown: Golly. Scarred by kudzu! You poor man. Sounds like the rent was way too high.

  278. Amanda says:

    Oz, don’t quite understand your comment; am I misunderstanding? Your blog is great fun; Delingpole’s DT thread this time is boring. Are we ‘on the same page’ about that?

    It’s the people on a blog (plus the format to enable it to happen) who make it what it is, wherever they be. The DT blog was great during (my) daytime pre-disqus; now it’s a vacant block.

    I wish the DT blog would go back to a linear, one-page, un-moderated format, as I’ve said several times here. But that’s unlikely to occur, so here we all are! – Oz

  279. crownarmourer says:

    Another southern classic….

  280. Amanda says:

    Crown: Love the thing with the yellow hair.

  281. crownarmourer says:

    In honour of my other avatar…

  282. Amanda says:

    Crown: I could do the video for ‘French fries taste so good’. But they’d have to be proper ones: twice-fried (unlike ‘shoestrings’) and with the skin on. Driving to Florida tomorrow. Goodnight!

  283. crownarmourer says:

    Amanda goodnight.

  284. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Good afternoon all,

    Sorry to interrupt your happy musical party, but if I don’t answer this it’ll cruel the rest of my day…………………

    Izen,

    When Pointman put it to you “Mr. Brin, whoever the Hell he is, what do you yourself think Izen?”, your response was…..

    “I agree with his analysis which is expressed rather more eloquently than I could manage”.

    Brin says “I am doing the memic equivalent of coughing on you. Infecting you with the infectious, self-replicating organism of an idea… the very notion of these infectious ideas.”

    Can I suggest Izen that it is only polite to start using a handkerchief.

    You go on to say “it is that very tolerance of diversity and rejection of tradition that have enabled western culture to expand and dominate the globe”. What the….?

    I live in a country “dominated” by military might 222 years ago, against the planet’s last truly stone-age nomadic tribes. I live in an island state wherein the native inhabitants were eliminated within 80 years of the arrival of the Empire.

    There was ZERO “tolerance of diversity and rejection of tradition” that enabled the Empire “to expand and dominate the globe”.

    You go on to say “The Roman empire would perhaps be the closest parallel, but there I would argue that it had elements of tolerance and an appetite for diversity”.
    Codswallop!! The Romans bludgeoned their way from one end of the Mediterranean to the other and beyond, their conquered lands and enslaved peoples were used to increase the wealth of Rome, feed Rome and fill the Roman war chest in order to maintain control and further their conquests of unknown territories. THAT’s the parallel with the British Empire, or the French, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish or any other Empire that sought to subjugate and stealth another nation’s wealth.

    As for the rest of it of your nonsense, learn to use a hankie – don’t sneeze and cough your bloody Left/Socialist viruses all over us.

  285. Locusts says:

    Blackswan
    I’m always interested in other cultures and perspectives, but I remain eternally curious as to why we white Anglos are the only species of humanity who are expected to renounce our history, psychologically abandon our “tribe” and always acquiesce to others. For other cultures, to befriend one’s forefathers’ enemies is to disrespect and disgrace the ancestors’ spirits and their sacrifices.

    I’ve been thinking about this a little recently myself. I’ll list them, it’s too early in the morning for more thoughtful posts, as my recent post to Izen demonstrates.

    1.America’s 1940’s anti British Empire drive, incl. Winston Churchill’s speech about the free world.
    -Churchill told the world there were places that were still free that were worth being free and people should fight to the death for them.
    -America pointed out, that everyone had a right to their own rerun of 1776, as long as the resulting gov. was an agreeable one.
    -Raised focus on the white man lording it over the savages, what right hath he, these savages, with a smattering of Middle English quothed.
    -I think this point may be critical, how does one justify to oneself the collapse of the greatest Empire in your countries history, literally in the space of 20 years? My guess is that it can only be done by believing that the entire project, 300 years of work, was fundamentally flawed from beginning to end. The arrival of guilt and self doubt, maybe?

    There is another point that just came in to my head, there is something very strange about the English, in good times it is unique, in bad times it is just strange, and that is although we inherently believe we are the best, we are no were near as willing as other cultures to stamp our identity on to people’s pysches.

    I think it is very strange that to have been the dominant culture on a small island for well over a thousand years, that the Scottish, the Welsh, and also actually the Irish still have a very clear sense of their own identity. A cursory glance at other countries’ histories tends to show a rather different story. Why is this? If we are incapable of stamping one identity over a small group of islands how did we get such a large Empire? I’m tempted to say that the roots of this may be in the nature of the heptarchy, where ownership of England went to whichever Anglo-Saxon kingdom happened to be doing fairly well that year, but i’m not an expert in the slightest in this area of history. But I think that this points to a fundamental respect for other peoples and other cultures that other peoples and other cultures may lack. At this point, someone will instinctively think of the aborginies, the native Indians and slavery. And of course, being English and apologetic of my nations history, I’ll tip my hat to them. But the fact remains that not only did the British Empire rule over vast swathes of the world, but did so for extended periods of time, in some cases much more successfully than some places did following independence. Did we on the whole, rule with respect and fair play? I suppose we must have done.

    Now, we have this guilt about the white man’s sins coming from the time of the white man’s burden; the respect that allowed Scotland to keep its identity, that resulted in a rather half hearted war againts George Washinton as well as many other examples, has come back to bite us on the bum. We have the respect, but the guilt poisons it, and now it threatens the very survival of the English, as we allow foreign cultures to move in enmasse to our isles and bully us with our guilt, respect and sense of fair play.

  286. Locusts says:

    Blackswan,
    Just read your post as I was pressing submit. There really is something other than military might, the Romans might have bludgeoned their way from one end of the known world to the other, but then again so did the Mongols. The Roman civilization lasted a lot longer, but critically fell more because of societal implosions that invasions.

  287. crownarmourer says:

    Blackswan and Rome started to fall when they stopped expanding the last conquest of consequence was Trajans conquest of gold rich Dacia. After that is was a slow downhill as gold and silver left to pay for expensive luxuries from the East such as spices and silks.
    Eventually even the gold and silver mines in the empire dried up and the coinage was debased and inflation set in complete with endemic corruption. That and a worsening climate. Followed by barbarians extorting the empire for money to stop bothering them.

  288. Locusts says:

    Ed, enjoyed your analysis, and completely agree, I’ll give you a fuller answer maybe a bit later in the day. On a quick note, in order to nudge China in the right direction, it is useful to have a mixture of moral right, economic might, and well just normal military might, so we might have to start nudging quickly, or we might run out of time.

  289. Locusts says:

    crownarmourer’s point about the economics is right as well.

  290. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts there were two reasons why we abandoned the empire after WW2 the first was purely financial we could no longer afford it we were broke and it took until quite recently to pay off all our war debts, the Napoleonic war was finally paid off in the 80’s, WW1 in the 90’s and WW2 in the 00’s.
    Another was soviet infiltration of the Labour party and standing orders were to disband the empire.
    Another issue was India without which we were no longer a great power as it provided man power in times of war, people forget we used Indian troops in all our major campaigns and wars to make up for the fact in reality the UK never could muster the man power it needed to fight Germany or France in the last two centuries.
    so once the Indians realized that they could use our own laws against us and that in reality a small White Raj in reality could never realistically surpress 400 million Indians without consent. It really is easy to turn around and say well you have democracy why can’t we to which we had no answer than to say shit they rumbled us.

  291. Locusts says:

    Crownarmourer,
    Sure, you are completely right about the finances and the contribution of the old Jewel in the Crown, I was trying my best to think of an answer to blackswan’s “why do we have to renounce our own history” thought, so forgot about money.

  292. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts we shouldn’t renounce our history it is socialist liberal feminist rewriting in the teachers unions that have undermined us. I’m proud of what we have achieved the greatest empire ever and the industrial revolution. A lot of rot also comes from our so called public schools and Oxford and Cambridge people who do not understand industry just the arts but they have too much of a stranglehold on public life they are the problem.
    These people have taken great pains to ensure that the common people have little chance to a decent education thanks to getting rid of the grammar schools and raising themselves from humble backgrounds.

  293. crownarmourer says:

    I had no such chance but had to do a hell of a lot of reading about history and science to get to where I am today. We have a similar rot in the USA where the leaders of industry are selected from the Ivy league schools these are usually worse than useless and sell out this country every time.

  294. Locusts says:

    Sure, I was lucky enough to live somewhere that still (has?) grammar schools, sometimes when I talk to some of my younger cousins, who don’t go to the best school in the area, I wonder if they go at all…

  295. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts I was lucky to go to state schools that still streamed on ability and teachers who cared and discipline was enforced but still a rough place so we got our education. What disgusted me was the fact I learned overhearing our teachers talking they had learned that our grades for our O levels were being assessed by teachers in the South who were marking us down because we came from the North no other reason, I have never forgotten that. What was funny the southern teachers pupils were going to marked by our teachers that year.

  296. Locusts says:

    The Romans did this, also after it was too late:

    British taxpayers have paid out more than £1 million to persuade hundreds of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants to return home – before they even enter the UK.
    Foreigners attempting to cross the English Channel at the French port of Calais are offered free flights and awarded up to £3,500 to help start businesses back home.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295629/Britain-pays-Calais-migrants-3-500-home–here.html

    Gives me an idea about how to get an all expenses paid trip back home….anyone got a spare teatowel?

  297. Locusts says:

    That’s really quite unfair. In China it is slightly different, they are just open about it, if you want to go to a decent uni, and you come from somewhere them up top don’t like, they state that you have to get higher marks than local applicants.

  298. Blackswan Tasmania says:

    Locusts

    “If we are incapable of stamping one identity over a small group of islands how did we get such a large Empire?”
    I’ve known a few Poms in my time and often been brought up short by them when I mistook one accent for another and thought a bloke from Manchester came from Liverpool etc. I can only surmise that this ongoing and deep-rooted sense of origin and forefathers is entirely tribal. Whether it was the Romans or the Saxons or the Danes or the Normans who variously conquered, settled, intermarried and subsequently shed some local influence in their wake, inhabitants of the British Isles seem to have always known where they and their fathers “belonged”. The unique “class system” seemed to have kept it so. I always thought of the UK as being like a family of separate individuals who, when their household is threatened, unite to defend the whole.

    On reflection, it all seems just like your average household insurance policy. You can insure against burglary but if an invited guest or adopted family member does a moonlight flit with the family silver, your burglary policy won’t cover the loss.

    “critically fell more because of societal implosions that invasions”.
    Isn’t that what we are currently experiencing in the West?
    Crown is right. With Socialist/Marxist policies infiltrating our legislation since WW2, along with the greatest tsunami of various populations washing up on foreign shores in the planet’s history, what Socialists like to describe as a “melting pot” has turned into a seething cauldron in many “hot spots” around the West.

    What we regard as our birthright, to be free, to be educated, have a home, earn a living, conduct a business, has been usurped by “invited guests” who are now dictating what we may or may not have, what we may or may not say, who we may or may not employ, how we will or will not be educated.

    As I have said before and can only repeat, the horse has bolted over the horizon and the stable doors are banging in the wind.

  299. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts try having an accent the south reguards as thick and we are the ones that invented the railways etc it gets under your skin after a while, opportunities are closed to you. My father had to put on a posh accent to do business with the South and my own village accent isn’t overly Northern. I heard about a company founded by an engineer from the North worked his arse off to make it successful he kept a low profile and nobody saw him much, well on a tour of the offices he heard a Southern employee slagging off Northerners as being useless and good for nothing he let the young man continue enough to tell him to pack his bags in his strong Northern accent. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
    My father never had any problems doing business in Ireland or Scotland,Wales or the West country they like plain spoken people and no funny handshakes either. Which my father knew and mimicked to his advantage.
    I don’t have a problem with people from the south most are ok but you get sick of the snobby buggers in charge.
    Well I’m here in the USA were they love my accent and my plain speaking they hate a snobby southern English accent.

  300. crownarmourer says:

    Blackswan you nailed it better than I could. I have noticed Oz humour is the same as the North of England nobody is spared mocking, although I’m sure things are changing these days with PC loonies and socialist idiots. I hope you guys fix that soon got relatives down under.

  301. Locusts says:

    Accents do tend to mark one out rather, don’t they! (what, what.)

    I used to have a local accent, had to drop it after I came abroad, it was just too boring repeating everything I said. Now I could probably have tea with the Queen!

    My accent has been ridiculed for being, too common, too posh, too west country, too southern, then after living up north for a few years, too northern, and now in China, just too English. (As they all prefer the American accent!)

    Blackswan’s probably right about the tribal thing. Snobbiness and double standards are not a good thing at all.

    There is an advantage about RP, at least compared to the wurzel back home, I find the grammar lets me express fairly complicated idea in fewer breaths.

  302. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts well it’s lucky I’m in the southern USA they are mainly descended from the Ulster Irish and Scots so my accent meshes real well. Even here there is a north south bias going on my ex wife encountered this.

  303. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts I like the wurzel accent spent time in Somerset when I was a kid great place nice people.

  304. Locusts says:

    Environmental toff being interviewed:

  305. Locusts says:

    Crown,
    I loves the wurzel accent too!

  306. India and Africa and the rest of the Empire were also the biggest markets for British textiles, which the history books overlook entirely. That’s what Empire Preference was about. The Empire got a special break, too, which is why they continued buying until the first plunge into globalization took place and the Crown moved factories and industrial training into the Colonies.

    All those bizarre yet still esthetically pleasing “traditional native loomed” colours and patterns were dreamed up by the RSA and the Slade and the RA in the 1800’s over tea by imaginative British artists, and those “traditional” patterns are used today still, except lots of the African patterns are pushed as having dated back hundreds of years which is baloney. Try 1850 or so LOL!

    The Empire was today’s Communist China, except no one is going to adopt Chinese culture and law anywhere in the world except Mousey Dung’s nearly-unliveable but rapidly improving mousehole.

    BTW any ex-pats who want a truly decent job in the States, to work around the mafia of labour contractors and pimps, there is a special government trade association direct-hire only Website which does not work with placement agencies at all that lists 5-star quality job openings.

    That Website is http://www.jobcentral.com Welcome to America. Send ALL your best grads here, we need help. If you see the openings, you will understand why. At the same time the economy is bellying up, I think 30% of the reason is we can’t get the people. Our own schools cannot turn out the people for the work we have to do. THESE ARE DIRECT HIRES ONLY.

    Also, that duplicate file gizmo which is freeware worked like a charm last night. I cleaned out 110 gig’s of dupes from records covering 1994-2010 in only 18 hours of unattended bloops and beeps. (make sure you set up your dupe exclusion files right though LOL! Go by name AND file size both at once, and yer home free). The software is HCC 1.06 Lite at http://www.heatsoft.com They also have cool file synchronization programmes for free as well as file manipulation tools for online group projects.

    @Crownarmourer:

    About British accents and British style, Most Brits don’t geddit. Sir Michael Caine’s bolshie cockney style was so big in the 1960’s I hope he invested in an eyeglass frame concern making his trademark spec’s. Everyone wore those damned things, including me (I still have an updated set which I got from our military NHS, the VA. The optician there said they were the hottest thing in their inventory of choice items with the Boomer clientele).

    As far as the applied metaphysics and spooky scarey stuff goes, there is a Yiddish term which means “seeing from afar” which is a trademark of someone who has Torah pin-knowledge and has been for eons, especially amongst the readers/students of the Tanya. It is a “normal” component of most religious denominations to the extent I feel it is just another tool passed on like how to steal bananas is passed on amongst chimps. I’ve seen it enough between husbands and wives, and between mothers and kids, to know it ain’t a joke. None of it is telepathy, it is usually an integral part of a moral/ethical problem-solving and real plot line sort of scenario.

    What any of that has to do with making us better persons is the question to be asked. I am also sure I will be reincarnated as a plumbers’ friend on the weight of the questions I am sure to ask the Big Guy when I cash my chips at the window of Life.

    Strong and/or habitual usage and emotions on the part of the occupants also seem to mark environments irrevocably. Some houses really do ned to be burned to the ground regardless of their physical condition. I’ve seen those type places, too.

    Walt, you’re stealing my thunder. New post out in a few hours – Oz

  307. Locusts says:

    Northerner, affecting a southern accent and trying to read an autocue at the same time.

  308. I know from having lived and worked in Hagerstown, Maryland, that you are not visiting the true Antietam battle field when you go to visit it. You have to go to the YMCA and ask for a black guy named John Brown or one of his relatives, and he will take you to a barbed wired fenced off area a few miles off to the west of the National Park Service site. There are holes in the fence you can get through to the real site. Dogs won’t go with you. JB told me that several of his classmates in high school took a dare and tried to camp out there overnight. He sez they are still in the nuthouse.

  309. Locusts says:

    Walt, am I missing something, they saw an opengraveyard over 100 years old, and they went crazy…?

  310. crownarmourer says:

    Walt you obviously are unaware of ghostly etiquette, they will not bother you if you greet them with a welcome, my family has Celtic heritage and have customs for such things. One of those customs is don’t spend time sleeping in a graveyard or battlefield.
    Reality is not what people think it is and there things out there would scare the crud of you if you encountered them and this without mental illness or drugs.
    I personally have encountered things that are not fun but pure evil and impossible to describe but they exist outside of time.
    However label me as a nutter if you wish but I have no rational explanation for them.
    I have talked to a lot of other people with different stories and it makes you go hmm.
    You have to be sensitive to such things usually I’m not.

  311. crownarmourer says:

    Locusts go spend the night camping out on a battlefield and let us know how that worked out. If you are sensitive to such things you will soon find out.

  312. crownarmourer says:

    Of course I’m a rational person and don’t believe a word of it but feel free to test it if you dare. That’s why on Halloween we light the moggies to scare away the spirits. a moggie is the original Holloween lantern except it’s a turnip with a candle inside with a scary face carved on it. The old customs die hard around my way. Gladly though we have no Morris dancers.

  313. Edward. says:

    Crown at 3:16 pm,

    Good morning Crown,

    That was good comment sir!
    I am a northerner and extremely proud of it, I went to Uni in the south of England and resolved to keep my accent, a school pal of mine spent 3years at Guildford (or somewhere) and when he came home, had a real phoney Berkshire/home counties/London estuarine twang, what a prat.
    On the obverse, when in company of friends at Uni, I reckoned my accent was fairly benign/poshish even, all of ’em used to howl at that one, I had friends from Swansea/all over the vallies, Scouseland/Manx/Midlands/Geordies/Mackams I thought it was they who had the funny accents!

    @Blackswan,

    Wotcha Swany!
    I agree about the Romans, they were still a great trading nation, it wasn’t all about bishbashbosh.
    Our Latin masters (I hated ’em when I was a kid, now I have nothing but admiration for them!) opened trading links with the Chinese and Eastern Lands, crown makes a very valid point about inflation, in order to finance their expensive tastes they needed dosh, so the Empire needed expanding, this stopped.
    Malaria probably finally did for them, plus absolute corruption, it should be remembered that the Eastern Empire survived in some form until it’s sacking by the Ottomans in 1204 (helped by pillaging of crusading armies of the West!).

    Crown is right. With Socialist/Marxist policies infiltrating our legislation since WW2, along with the greatest tsunami of various populations washing up on foreign shores in the planet’s history, what Socialists like to describe as a “melting pot” has turned into a seething cauldron in many “hot spots” around the West.

    Couldn’t agree more with that, I believe we will see civil war in England again, and in the next twenty years, we have Somalis/Pakis/Banglas/Algerians/Sudanis going off and ‘training’ with their AL qaeda chums and probably fighting British/Nato troops and then they just come back to Britain to continue robbing the Exchequer blind, it is a piece of piss and that’s what they are doing – taking the piss (like Izal is).
    The politicians of the West bend over and take it up the arse from the fundamentalist imams and teachers, when will they learn that Islam is a religion of Conquest!
    This is the greatest irony, HRH Charlie loves his mates, the tent dweller Princes in the Saudi peninsula, in order to keep their nutter ultra Islamist Wahhabiist imams quiescent, they have to appease them by allowing them free reign at the Muslim Universities and their terrorists instead of bombing the Saudi louches in their tents but to export terror to the west and to the world.
    Lets not forget that Bin Laden was a playboy millionaire Saudi louche. So western oil money pays for international terrorism and mosque building and trouble fermentation in Britain (plus special away days to bomb and attack Nato forces). If one digs a little bit into the main mosques preaching terror in Britain, there is a direct Saudi link.
    I’ll tell you how daft things have become in GB, a couple of years ago a Channel 4 investigation into a Birmingham mosque which WAS peddling terror, this programme was investigated by the West Midlands police for racial slur and incitement!! How arse about face is that????
    This why muslims flock to Britain, the EU encourages with their socialist cohorts and allies in the Labour party, PC brigade and the multiculturalists.
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2223340.ece

    Where will it end? I hope not but believe that British troops will be peacekeeping on the streets of Britain soon.

  314. Walt O'Brien says:

    Best barracks gag ever (one of thousands): several of us going to an old free-on-the-lawn film showing on base when the summer was too hot (Iwakuni, Japan, one of several duty stations I saw where we stayed in Quonset huts, you named them Nissen huts, methinks) at night of “Psycho,” then off to the club for gluggos, then plotting out evil deeds to play on an Hispanic troopie who came to us to the film, and was obviously negatively impressed. We nicknamed him Sooey as his first name was Josue, a huge scary guy with a high-pitched voice which didn’t match him at all and who was skittish on the brightest of days. When he went to take his shower before calling it a night, we sorta of looked at each other and smiled then got a rolled up newspaper apiece and did for him through the curtain after he was in for a couple of minutes making “ee-ee” sounds like the movie soundtrack. The OOD showed up to ask what the screaming was about.

  315. Walt O'Brien says:

    I really think, Edward old son, that we should be getting the troops back from overseas right about on time. Don’t think for a moment that HSD and the UK equivalent are not preparing for fun and festivities for the benefit of the home crowd. In so many ways, both the States and the UK are in worse shape than Sarajevo was prior to the collapse of the B-H economy and the subsequent First Annual Bosnian Berserkof**k Festival in 1992.

    All this could have been dodged but for E-Z Kredit, credit cards, elimination of National Service and the draft here in the States, and elimination of self-defensive tariffs.

  316. Walt O'Brien says:

    who came to us should be who came with us Digitarditis attack again :>p

  317. crownarmourer says:

    Walt and Edward we are over on the chat at Rastechs join in… http://www.founding-sons.co.uk/SMF/index.php

  318. Walt O'Brien says:

    “Walt, you’re stealing my thunder. New post out in a few hours – Oz”

    My evil telepathic powers strike again bwahahahahaha!

  319. crownarmourer says:

    Edward sign up for the chat on Rastechs and join in it’s not a competing blog but allows us to talk real time, ozboy himself wanders over from time to time.

  320. Pointman says:

    “The so-called “Climategate” was not so much about academics cooking the books to satisfy the prejudices and bias of their government funding sources as a recognition of the fact that a certain finding — that everything is just fine and there is no need to send us more money to research this potent problem — would have cut off the money spigot.”

    “As for Bollinger’s citing of BBC and NPR and PBS as glowing examples of journalistic pulchritude, one cannot find three more staunch bastions of liberalism. Could any of them survive in a competitive marketplace without subsidies and charity?”

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/this-particular-press-cure-would-kill-the-patient-98696069.html

    An interesting article on the notion of state funded journalism. Yes that’s been proposed, I kid you not.

    Pointman

  321. scud1 says:

    * 542 million years ago
    Proterozoic era ends, Paleozoic era begins
    * The Cambrian: 4500 ppm, 21 °C
    expansion of life, trilobites (anthropods)
    * 488 million years ago
    * The Ordovician: 4200 ppm, 16 °C
    marine animals, mollusca
    * 444 million years ago
    * The Silurian: 4500 ppm, 17 °C
    corals, mosses
    * 416 million years ago
    * The Devonian: 2200 ppm, 20 °C
    seeds, forests, many sharks, fish
    * 359 million years ago
    * The Carboniferous: 800 ppm, 14 °C
    sea stars, sponges, corals, fish, equisetales, insect, tetrapods, fungi
    * 299 million years ago
    * The Permian: 900 ppm, 16 °C
    invertebrates, reptiles, cockroaches, cynodonts
    Coal in Siberia, East Asia, Australia; Oil in the U.S.
    * 251 million years ago (extinction event)
    Paleozoic era ends, Mezozoic era begins
    * The Triassic: 1750 ppm, 17 °C
    no coal, new corals, ammonites, turtles
    * 199 million years ago
    * The Jurassic: 1950 ppm, 16.5 °C
    dinosaurs, crocodiles, conifers, coralline algae
    Oil in Middle East, North Sea, Siberia (part)
    * 145 million years ago
    * The Cretaceous: 1700 ppm, 18 °C
    figs, magnolias, some mammals, birds, modern sharks
    Oil around Venezuela; Earth by 4 °C warmer than today;
    * 65 million years ago (extinction event)
    Mesozoic era ends, Cenozoic era begins
    * The Paleogene: 500 ppm, 18 °C
    birds and mammals explode
    * 23 million years ago
    * The Neogene and The Quaternary Period (last 2 megayears): 280 ppm, 14 °C
    mammals include early humans
    * Today
    * Our world in 2009: 385 ppm, 14 °C

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/04/birth-of-oil-geology-temperature-co2.html

    From the excelent Luboš Motls’ site – notice the CO2 concentrations and the temperatures – Can you see any link? No, neither can I.

    (All lifted from Biased BBC blogspot…)

    http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/07/dead-sea-scare.html

  322. Pointman says:

    @Scud

    I always like the way Geologists talk about ‘deep’ time. It’s no wonder they think AGW is bollocks..

    Pointman

  323. Old Toad says:

    Ozboy. Thanks for the excerpt from our family’s home movies. You may mock, but aren’t we the most successful Australian immigrants ever ?
    Locusts. So Zac Goldsmith doesn’t care about ‘carbon’ ! (Subtext ‘CRU are an embarrassment but I’m still a ‘greenie’ like my fwend Dave’).
    Re Climategate. To-day’s Sunday Times (Jonathan Leake) reveals that the US Gov’t has suspended funding for the University of East Anglia’s CRU, ‘citing scientific doubts raised by last November’s leak of hundreds of stolen emails’. ‘The DofE peer review panel will now sift through the report and decide if US taxpayers should continue to fund the unit’.
    Exciting Times ! Does this herald a 4th ‘whitewash’, or will somebody actually take the trouble to look at the evidence and ask for a few opinions other than from those onside or inhouse ?

  324. Amerloque says:

    Hi locusts,

    Amerloque would like to join the other users here and thank locusts warmly for his dedication to translating and posting the preface of the book ‘Carbon Plot’. Through the text(s), Westerners can easily see similarities to and differences from their own countries, judge for themselves and extrapolate conclusions, not all of which are optimistic !

    Amerloque, though very interested in China, has alas only visited once: Hong Kong – back when “Tai-Pan” was only a gleam in James Clavell’s eye. (grin) Nevertheless, at different times in his life, he was on board with Robert Van Gulik’s ‘Judge Dee’, the ‘I Ching’ (trad Richard Wilhem, naturally (grin)) and A. Zee’s ‘Swallowing Clouds: A Playful Journey Through Chinese Culture, Language, and Cuisine’ – not to mention Alain Peyrefitte’s Quand la Chine s’éveillera (nary a mention of the LaoGai, by the way !). A lifelong interests has been Yaqub Beg, who in the 1870s, founded the Kingdom of Kashgaria in the far west of China. One of Amerloque’s offspring (a geographer) was gallivanting out in those parts a few years ago and was shocked by the wholesale destruction of the old town of Kashgar. He brought back quite a few pictures – and events subsequent to his visit demonstrated that the region is indeed a hotbed of dissent.

    Amerloque’s interest in China and things Chinese was kindled early during his childhood by his father’s interest in the design of Chinese junks. Apparently each city/province has/had a distinctive type of junk. A bit like different French towns and provinces are responsible for different cheeses. (grin) Amerloque particularly likes Foochow sea junks.

    What immediately stood out to Amerloque – and not just to Amerloque, one supposes (grin) – is the portion:

    /// Taking the long view, China positively must increase research in renewables, and to continuously be at the front of the wave of technological development, to strive to be at the head of the renewables technology research, so as to ensure that at the next technological revolution, China is the leader, and not just passively responding [to changes]. ///

    This brought a rueful smile to Amerloque’s face. In France, internal propaganda states basically the same thing: ‘leadership’. From what Amerloque has gathered in the UK and Germany, their internal propaganda is focused on the same issue of becoming the ‘leader’. Finally, in the USA, Obumbles says basically the same thing, even with all his bee ess about ‘green jobs’.

    By definition, not all can be ‘the leader’: only one, which entails a shakeout in the relatively near future.

    Do keep posting such wonderful messages, locusts: it make a refreshing change from the official propaganda translated into English. (grin)

    Best,
    L’Amerloque

    PS: Congratulations to NoIdea, by the way ! I have just noticed that I hadn’t posted any. A thousand pardons.

    Amerloque 2010718 16h10 Paris time (CET)

  325. Amerloque says:

    Hello Edward !
    July 18, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    /// it should be remembered that the Eastern Empire survived in some form until it’s sacking by the Ottomans in 1204 (helped by pillaging of crusading armies of the West!).///

    Hang on … point of order ! (grin)

    The Christians (“Crusaders”) occupied/sacked Constantinople (capital of the Byzantine Emprre) in 1204.

    The Ottomans sacked Constantinople in 1453, thus finishing off the Byzantine Empire.

    Note that the first event was in line with what was going on here in France: crusaders under Simon de Montfort were massacring and pillaging their way across southwest France to obliterate the Albigensian heresry. (Hi Walt !) (grin)

    Best,
    L’Amerloque

    Amerloque 2010718 1705 Paris time (CET)

  326. Locusts says:

    Amerloque

    Thanks for your feedback, it’s always good to know that one’s efforts aren’t in vain! I started training as a geographer, but there were so many people on my course, I felt that it might not be the best move, lots of competition these days!

    Regards

  327. Old Toad says:

    Ozboy. You may find the video mocking my relatives funny, but as you frequently visit some UK blogs I’m sure you will be more than a little tickled by the Guardian’s latest effort.
    A showman named Lewis Pugh writes ‘In the frozen waters of Everest,I learned the value of humility’. He goes on ‘I had to perform a u-turn to accomplish the hardest task I have ever faced. And a volte-face is our only hope of solving CLIMATE CHANGE’ (That’s his funding ensured then).
    However instead of a rush of ‘greenies’ expressing their delight, the first comment from ‘nottydave’ was as follows.
    PUGH “I’ll never forget looking down at my fingers. They had swollen to the size of sausages”
    NOTTYDAVE ” Unlike your knob, which surely must have shrunk beyond recognition”
    A further 20 comments follow in similar vein. I think CiF have given up on censorship.
    No-one is taking Pugh seriously however, as in 2008 he attempted to kayak to the N.Pole, accompanied by a large support ship & a video team, but failed to reach the latitude achieved by Nansen 100 years earlier, due to the ice !

  328. Edward. says:

    Amerloque says:
    July 19, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Thank you sir!
    Idiot that I am, getting dates wrong, the battle is still alive in the Balkans.

    Ed.

  329. Pointman says:

    Old Toad July 19, 2010 at 1:43 am

    “No-one is taking Pugh seriously however, as in 2008 he attempted to kayak to the N.Pole, accompanied by a large support ship & a video team, but failed to reach the latitude achieved by Nansen 100 years earlier, due to the ice !”

    I remember it well. It was heartbreaking, especially as he was only doing so to highlight the ice shrinkage at the pole. They just don’t write great comedy like that anymore …

    Pointman

  330. Edward. says:

    Oz,

    Could this be the beginning of the end of the CRU?
    US funding review.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/18/doe-funding-for-cru-placed-on-hold/#more-22167

    Lets hope so, perhaps the UEA can reform the CRU as a research facility into the paranormal and launch an investigation into, how computing models have taken the place of tea leaf divination at the Hadley centre (or is that the other way around?).

    Ed.

  331. manonthemoor says:

    Edward.
    July 19, 2010 at 2:53 am

    Hi Ed

    History continues to unfold around us, and clearly this is not good news for the AGW cause. Perhaps three white washes in a row has set off some alarm bells.

    How long before funding is restricted or conditional I wonder for IPCC5 or the mega jaunt to Mexico in November — Who knows — Who can tell — We have NoIdea

  332. Locusts says:

    Mexico in November, is that hot or cold? At least it’ll be hotter than Copenhagen, none of that snow swirling about mocking them.

  333. manonthemoor says:

    Locusts
    July 19, 2010 at 3:17 am

    Hi Locust

    Mother Earth may arrange a quick interrupt from Katla that will cool things down a bit.

    Perhaps the AGW devotees can hire a sailboat or a rowing boat to get to Mexico

    I believe Fenbeagle can provide some plans for ‘green’ sea travel. LOL

  334. Ozboy says:

    G’day folks,

    Sorry I’ve taken so long, but a new post here

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