Nullius In Verba

China isn’t buying it. Russia isn’t buying it. The citizens of the United States of America aren’t buying it and are making this fact painfully clear to their legislators; my own countrymen, with their well-attuned B.S. radar, aren’t buying it. And now, the oldest scientific body in the Western world has announced that… not quite that they aren’t buying it any more, but henceforth they will be buying competing products as well.

I’ve just finished reading Climate change: a summary of the science, the Royal Society’s latest word on the subject. Before James Delingpole and others get everyone altogether too excited about it, I thought I would share what it basically says.

That we, the undersigned, being the current living Fellows of the Royal Society, do formally abjure, reject and eschew the erroneous and pernicious postulate that the earth’s climate is being altered in any statistically significant measure by the activities of mankind;

Further, that before the Society venture any future opinion on the matter, all Fellows will divest themselves of any pecuniary interests in the fields of alternative energy generation and carbon trading, and relinquish any paid position or sinecure in Her Majesty’s Government or the United Nations related to the advocacy of same;

Further, should any Fellow offer publicly an opinion bearing on a desirable level of the world’s population (being less than that at present), that Fellow will reduce this opinion to a precise figure, together with an articulation of how many are to die in each nation, over what time scale this should occur, the means by which they are to be put to death, and the identities of the appointed executioners, together also with a moral justification for such an enterprise, co-signed by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Queen as titular head of the Church of England.

Given at Carlton House Terrace, London, England, on the thirtieth day of September in the year of Our Lord, 2010.

Just kidding.

Founded in 1660, the Royal Society is the oldest scientific body in the world. Past presidents include Sir Christopher Wren, Sir Isaac Newton, Sir Humphrey Davy, Lord Kelvin and Lord Florey. When it was adopted in 1663, its motto, nullius in verba, (on the word of no-one), was intended as an expression of intellectual independence from any authority (primarily church and state: the condemnation of Galileo by the Vatican had occurred only forty-seven years earlier).

For the Latin scholars among you, the motto actually comes from a line of Epistula I in Horace’s EpistlesNullius addictus iurare in verba magistri (not bound to swear allegiance to the word of any master). Though recently, it has seemed to me they could have added praeter nos (except us).

Actually, on the face of it, the 59 articles making up the document seem a rather dry, sober and somewhat unremarkable recitation of the basic tenets of climate science. Taken together though, it is a clear retreat from the erstwhile position of inflexible advocacy adopted by the Society. I encourage all of you to follow this link and read it for yourselves.

The devil’s in the detail: the careful (and at some points, carefully vague) partitioning of what is well-understood, on what there is broad consensus (a word repeated far too often in a publication of a scientific society, in my opinion), and what is less understood, is the crux of the political (and primary) message of the document.

The final paragraph, Article 59, is worth quoting in full as it summarizes the essential message of the Society neatly:

Like many important decisions, policy choices about climate change have to be made in the absence of perfect knowledge. Even if the remaining uncertainties were substantially resolved, the wide variety of interests, cultures and beliefs in society would make consensus about such choices difficult to achieve. However, the potential impacts of climate change are sufficiently serious that important decisions will need to be made. Climate science – including the substantial body of knowledge that is already well established, and the results of future research – is the essential basis for future climate projections and planning, and must be a vital component of public reasoning in this complex and challenging area.

This sounds to me like a bit of bet-hedging. No government or scientific society will ever come right out and say oops, we were wrong all along, but hey, we’re sure you’ll all let bygones be bygones, won’t you? Instead, there will be an ever-so-gradual retreat; so gradual, in fact, that they’re hoping we won’t notice. It’s not in and of itself an earth-shattering revelation.

But at least it’s a step in the right direction.

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336 Responses to Nullius In Verba

  1. Amerloque says:

    AGW, aka “manmade global warming”, is a scientific, intellectual, political, financial and moral scam. The climate has been changing for millions upon millions of years.

    The IPCC is the biggest perpetrator of scientific fraud that the world has ever seen.

    Individuals and organizations involved in this fraud should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    Civil suits should be filed to recover grant money and subsidies given to individuals and organizations participating in the fraud.

    Now is not the time to let up !

  2. Pointman says:

    A good piece as usual Ozboy, going straight to the heart of the matter. It’s about politics not science. This is a scientific body who were being dragged around by the nose by advocacy groups. The membership has finally put a stop to it and we can expect more ‘repositioning’ in the future.

    The leadership of the RS has for the last decade lent the imprimatur of the society to increasingly alarmist junk science and though there may be some big names in the group forcing this turn around, it mustn’t be forgot that the majority were the rank and file of its membership.


  3. Pointman says:

    It’s end of quarter, so financial chores time. Cashed the BP shares I bought in June and money safe again. Come home to Daddy, my beauties. We’ll wait together for the next scary story …

    Speaking of scary stories, carbon is still trading at 10c per tonne. Poor old BBC pension fund. Ah, the heady days when it was ‘worth’ $7.00 per tonne are long gone now. As my dear departed Granny used to say, “A fool and their money are soon parted”.

    You can get the price here
    but I don’t think the site, like the exchange (which is being downsized), will be around for too long.

    Oz! A round of drinks for the regulars, courtesy of Pointman.


    Pointy’s shout, everyone: charge your glasses! – Oz

  4. memory vault says:

    Before you all get too excited, check out this video:

    If you think it’s an over-the-top chuck-off at the greentards (like I did) check out the the website advertised at the end. Then check out their “partner organisations” (link in first sentence on “The Team” page – be sure to check out GeenMyParents). This is for real.

    These crazies are well-organised and heavily-financed, and I don’t think they give a hoot what the Royal Society now says.

    Izen must be proud of his fellow-traveler’s efforts.

  5. Pointman says:

    memory vault says:
    October 1, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Hi MV, good to see you in the B&G again and hope you’re okay. I’ve seen the video and it’s of course horrific. I think we’ll see a lot more extreme propaganda like it in the run up to Cancun.


    ps. That bloody EcoAnnie has been enthusiastically posting the vile thing all around the place in America and causing great public outrage. Let’s hope nobody follows her example.

  6. NoIdea says:


    My contention is not that one piece of evidence is enough to refute the conclusions of all the data, that would be silly.

    I have read some information on Targ and puthoff, and yes, it does seem as though they cherry picked results, to fit strange theories for which they required further funding.

    Looking at the totality of the evidence, I find continual examples of cherry picking, faulty methodologies, fudged or lost data, illogical leaps of faith and blatant manipulation.
    Not all fake, but all have been skewed in the name of global warming.

    The whole point of me explaining to you, that we had the last frost day in mid may and the first frost day at the end of September, was to expose you to the cold reality of the climate.

    As we agree that nature has the final say, when I find unequivocal evidence that the global warming scare predictions are massively incorrect, I will of course, point to nature and let it tell us what is actually happening.

    The only reason you “know” it is the warmest it has ever been, is because you choose to listen and believe the “overwhelming” hype and propaganda that tells you it is so.

    I will come back to you with some thoughts on road safety. As a rail user, perhaps you should talk about trains.

    The 60s was the decade that saw the highest sea levels in Liverpool, and the extra savage winter of 63. If you discount all the hype and ever upwards adjustments and listen to nature perhaps you will find that we are not that far from being at the same temperature as we had then.

    The only evidence I require that it is warming is that it IS getting warmer, just because I am told that it is warmer does not mean that it is warmer. It was you who bought up first and last frost days as a natural indicator of what is actually happening with the climate, as you pointed out back then, and since, nature has the final say.

    As MV re-iterated, there is early cold in the northern hemisphere, late cold in the southern hemisphere and even India is getting snow a month early. It is that cold that penguins where freezing to death in Argentina.

    If we accept the fact that it cannot be getting both warmer and colder (globally) at the same time, but there is evidence for both, what does this tell us?


  7. memory vault says:


    Hi Pointy – I’ve been reading the posts for two weeks now but only just getting the right hand to the point of being able to type at anything other than a snail’s pace. But everything’s slowly on the mend, thankyou.

    I believe the eco-fascists could be on the verge of self-destructing if they go on producing material like the video I posted. The comments on You Tube were telling – even erstwhile supporters found it disgusting. It’s good to hear their little Hitlerites are posting it everywhere. It’s probably the most damaging thing they’ve done to date. But I agree with you about the lead-up to Cancun.

    No Idea

    Izen and his ilk have no trouble with it getting colder in the northern and southern hemispheres at the same time. That’s obviously when the heat goes into the ground (facilitated by carbonate radiative forcing – peer-reviewed, published paper to follow) to raise the subterranean temperatures to “millions of degrees” as per the preachings of the Goracle, who, as izen will assure you, is infallible.

  8. Walt O'Bruin says:

    It ought to be borne in mind that just as our social systems and support safety net have morphed into penal colonies run by the inmates, and that people guilty of another and more damaging crime, pretending to have academic degrees worth the weight of their credentials, so our intellectual establishments truly are no longer freethinking by definition. The overriding irony of all crime since its having become an industry is that, not being capable of abiding by just laws, criminals devise their own system of Bizarro World law enforcement and punishment ten times more cruel and arbitrary than the system they hated and despised which originally meted out to the greater kindness and mercy.

    The inability to expunge the lying farce of prevaricating fornicators in the genuine sense of the word fornication (the word has nothing to do with sex, it has to do with trading ethical moral purpose for filthy lucre after the manner in which religious institutions offer sex–and employment, and social approval, and social esteem–under the arched portal of entry to the place of worship if only one embraces their creed) attempting to rule our world by coercion and force imposed through fear of ghosts not there rather than by the vote, the legislature and the rule of Right Reason through debate is a product of crime now being virtue, and virtue crime.

    This can not be made more plain than by the example shown me by a worker for the social services here in Binghamton, N.Y. This year is very special in that the number of ex-offenders on social benefit now outnumbers the law-abiding. Should that system therefore now not go broke and fall? Would that not therefore be just?

    EcoAnnie. Is that anything like Typhoid Mary? The difference between the two is that the latter was a crude and farcical expression of unsuppressed ethnic prejudice attempting to put public health issues onto one minority, while the former is yet another dole-scrounging criminal yet unconvicted attempting to raise yet more public funds through fear to support the most risibly transparent of shell games and Ponzi schemes.

    As an example of just how far up the greentards’ arses the engineering community is bent on achieving, I have been spending a bit of time analysing my website stats to determine why my steel-related carbon sequestration-into-industrial-feedstock data is most in demand, along with the steam reforming/ammonia data. This is a bit of a tie-loosener, so bear with me: where else is there 2,400 deg C 24/7 in our industrial quarter, CO2 or no CO2? Steel mills. As all emissions trading is voluntary and also a massive waste of industrial time for the industries themselves, the respective steel mills are not going to bother with trading at all, but rather are to commit themselves to onsite chemical byproduct manufacture. steelprocessesvol1 and Argonnelabscommonsense (the latter being how ammonia in conjunction with steam reformers reduces carbon capture costs to 7% down from 30-40% of energy balance costs–and this in a 2004 document!) are my two biggest downloads, and the IP addresses associated with these downloads are all either steel mills, steel recycling mills, chem firms, pertinent government agencies not at war with industry as the greentards are, or marketing/economic analysis free-market consultancies.

    This is on no one’s MSM radar screen, as usual, but usefully also not on the greentards’ radar screen.

    I have been wondering for three years where the industrial community has been hiding when they need to defend themselves. They are getting the job done. The Carnegie/ Krupp model is very pertinent here, and the solution will not include not for profits, Hosannah-screaming world-is-ending walking pigturds, nor pink-with-silver starred militant leftists riding their unicorns roughshod over genuine and imminent human needs being addressed first and foremost. This steel-driven industrial revolution will not include emissions trading and Communist Ponzi (sounds like a board game, doesn’t it?) at all, either.

  9. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Smooth move on the BP stock there, Pointman. Hitting the golf course today? LOL If God hadn’t meant for people to play golf, He wouldn’t have invented Friday.

  10. Pointman says:

    Walt O’Bruin says:
    October 1, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    “This is a bit of a tie-loosener, so bear with me …” – Jeez, you’ve got some brilliant phrases, Kiddo. I’m gonna steal them all!


  11. Pointman says:

    Golf? Not me. The only time I’ve used a club was as a handy Mole termination device.


  12. Locusts says:

    Wishing you all the best MV

  13. Pointman says:

    Well, they’ve pulled the video from YouTube. Has any of our contributors or readers got a copy? We’ve had an offer of a place to host it.


  14. Locusts says:

    That no pressure video, on a Chinese server:

  15. meltemian says:

    Thanks Locusts – I was just about to say the video has been removed as “private”
    whatever that means. Perhaps “someone” doesn’t want it to be seen.

  16. meltemian says:

    Sorry – meant to say welcome back MV. We’ve all missed you. Hope you’ll soon be completely OK.

  17. meltemian says:

    Should have read JD earlier shouldn’t I – apparently the video is being removed by the campaigners themselves. It keeps being re-posted and they remove it again. Guess it’s an own goal!

  18. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Memory Vault! Where you been hiding? Good to have you back.

  19. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Too many movies, Pointman. Most of the cleverer phrases, though, are lifted from project managers and work-cursed aristos trying to hold onto what their birth saddled them with with whom I’ve worked.

  20. Walt O'Bruin says:

    meltemian says:
    October 2, 2010 at 1:55 am

    It’s fun watching adversaries shoot themselves in the tush, innit? LOL

  21. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Fenbeagle could design a wonderful board game called Communist Greentard Ponzi, I’ll wager. Why wasn’t I saddled with an annoying inheritance LOL? Sigh.

  22. Walt O'Bruin says:

    The first instance of CO2 + steam being directed at an open hearth airtight molten steel crucible to make CO + H2 as fuel took place at the site of the world’s first Bessemer converter…in Wyandotte, Michigan, in 1854, where the Bishop Park landing for the Bob-Lo boat used to take on passengers. It was a floating wedding cake excursion vessel with a dance floor and band the first of which was built in 1910 and ran continuously until at least 1980; don’t know if it still does. Bob-Lo was (is?) an amusement park Downriver straight out of “Quadrophenia.” Its roller coasters and other rides routinely slaughtered the locals, and maybe that was the idea LOL. I remember now the bronze plaque for the site of the first Bessemer converter from 40 years ago.

  23. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Here EcoAnnie is, the sultry bitch LOL!

  24. Walt O'Bruin says:

    And I thought my exploding head from “Scanners” was gross. If you don’t like watching children exploding and their guts sprayed onto other children, don’t watch this video.

    Please. No joke.

  25. Walt O'Bruin says:

    “Der Sturmer” never ran ads or copy this savage.

  26. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Game over, as far as I am concerned. The kid gloves are off.

  27. Walt O'Bruin says:

    At least they are upfront about where they as greentards are coming from. They did us a favour.

  28. Walt O'Bruin says:

    If you’ll excuse me, I have my own distribution list to attend to.

  29. Pointman says:

    Walt O’Bruin says:
    October 2, 2010 at 2:27 am

    I thought they would hype the alarmism before Cancun but this is another level. I suggest everyone posts links to it wherever you post. Their own petard, methinks.

    As a follow on thought, real ecoterrorism my occur sooner than I imagined …


  30. Pointman says:

    And they say we’re irrelevant in the blogosphere. An apology for the video – sorta. Personally, I’ll keep posting links to it. I like to help out with PR disasters, after all, I deny there’s no such thing as bad publicity …


  31. Pointman says:

    An extract from a Mr. phil_mcg at the DT. Says it all really.

    “Ha ha ha! FAIL. They put a lot of time and effort into a nasty little propaganda flick that blew up in their faces. Then they tried to hide it, but got bitchslapped by the internet.”


  32. Walt O'Brien says:

    Well, I got with Jason Hayes at the American Coal Council and with Dr. Robert Peltier, P.E. at power magazine, the Institute for Energy Research’s Tom Pyle, and with my little friends at the Institute for Terrorism Research and Response to volunteer signing charges for a terrorist act against 10:10. I don’t know about you, but if this video doesn’t terrify you concerning what greentards are capable of, there really is something wrong with you.

    Not that none of us ever thought it would not come to this.

  33. Walt O'Brien says:

    Do I have all my negatives scrambled LOL? I’m really upset.

  34. Walt O'Brien says:

    Ah, Pointy. The miracle of digital technology LOL! Gotta love it.

  35. Pointman says:

    Walt, it is a nasty video, especially them stooping so low as to use kids. On the plus side, Eco Annie’s post have all been taken down and she’s lost all posting rights. Serves the cow right.


  36. Pointman says:

    You’re behind the curve, Icarus.


  37. Pointman says:

    BTW Walt, Annie was posting to US sites and every one was taken down.

    I’m not sure that would have happened in Europe, I’m ashamed to say. You guys may think it’s going to Hell in a handcart over there but I say God bless America.


  38. Walt O'Brien says:

    F**k it, that video is an act of terrorism. I am going to e-mail a link to DHS and request they press charges. May as well be hung for a sh**p as well as a l*mb.

  39. manonthemoor says:

    Hi Walt

    Agree entirely, an act of terrorism, which should be exposed and the perps held to account. Hope they press charges.

    Plenty of names her if you want a petition



  40. manonthemoor says:

    By the way welcome back MV when you wake, your contributions have been missed.

    Sounds as though you are on the mend now and look forward to you firing on all cylinders.



  41. Antek Bear says:

    Greetings, MOTM. Long time no see.

    The petitioners ought better to sign a complaint against an international act of manufacturing and perpetrating the dissemination of terrorist propaganda at this site< the FBI's Counterterrorism Tip Reporting site as I just did. The more the merrier. If you are in the UK and can testify to having seen it all the better:

  42. Pointman says:

    MOTM, really good to see you here again. You okay?


  43. manonthemoor says:

    Hi pointman

    Been away for a few days visiting York with the family. Spent 4 hours at the Railway Museum with the big boys toys.

    Taken time to catch up and watch the own goal video exploding.

    What silly,stupid, desperate people they are to even consider producing such a video.

    The internet and our communication has once again triumphed and turned it against them and I for one hope some form of prosecution will be set in motion.


  44. Pointman says:

    Antek Bear says:
    October 2, 2010 at 4:21 am

    Done it Mr.Bruin and thank you for the link.


  45. manonthemoor says:

    Walt and pointman

    Sent my complaint as well, citing the reposting as well as unacceptable



  46. Pointman says:

    We’ve seen an abuse of children today and more importantly our protective instincts towards them and it leaves a nasty taste. Let’s go for something cleaner. I love the language in this clip and above all the pauses and the emphasis. “Shocking” acquires a whole new meaning, as do some other words. Sharpen your ears and enjoy …


  47. Amanda says:

    Antek Bear at 4:21: Did you, indeed? Excellent.

  48. Amanda says:

    P. at 3:24: Hear, hear. Quite right, too.

  49. Pointman says:

    Screwed up a bit. I should have intro’ed it by saying that someone found recordings of kids telling biblical stories and decided to add animations. There is no script. Enjoy.


  50. izen says:

    Your being played.

    Given the background in media of the writer and the high production values it is clear the aim was to get this to ‘go viral’ by the content.

    Look how the links to this are proliferating.

  51. Amanda says:

    I did not need to take Walt’s kind advice about avoiding the video — some things one needs to see for oneself, in this case not, I can trust my friends and the still I’ve seen is more than sufficient.

    There’s no point in even stating my opinion. You can guess what it is.

    Reminds me (though this is far, far less defensible, and if anything is ‘hate speech’, this surely qualifies) of films they show at Mr A’s new private school. The head of school and the teachers often say things like ‘we don’t want to tell you how to think’, but their actions belie that. So this week it was a film for the full assembly of how animals are slaughtered — and very graphic and unsparing it was, too. Mr A, who is tender-hearted and has enough stress already without watching animals being chopped about, left the auditorium. The children, of course, were forced to sit through it. But of course they would never show a hunting film to show how to bring down animals safely (and, one hopes, humanely). The film they showed is one liberals approve of because it says that meat-eating is bad since it means the death of animals; at the very least, we are wicked to kill them in the way we do. And so that the kids don’t miss the message, they make sure the film is sufficiently shocking and gory.

    So according to the liberal outlook, if a child skins his knee then someone could be sued, but at the same time it’s perfectly all right to distress an impressionable young mind with violent images. This is a different kind of hypocrisy from saying that extramaritals are wrong and then engaging in them yourself; this is a plain double standard and it’s dangerous.

    Do we want a society that does not necessarily make realists of young people but does harden them against scenes of violence, that makes them callous in the face of suffering, that removes all gentleness? Well, it’s one way to create fanatics, isn’t it? People without tender mercies, people who find almost nothing appalling except being contradicted. That is not a good omen for freedom and a decent, moderate democracy.

  52. Antek Bear says:

    Good shootin’, guys and gals.

  53. Pointman says:

    izen says:
    October 2, 2010 at 5:34 am

    “Your being played.” – On how many levels is this wrong?


  54. Amerloque says:

    “Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”

    — Joseph Stalin

  55. Pointman says:

    By the walls of Babylon, I knelt and wept.


  56. Locusts says:

    Someone just made me laugh when talking to one of the trolls:

    38 minutes ago
    Hey I thought you were a troll but you are a real nut job.

  57. Dancing Bear says:

    Amerloque says:
    October 2, 2010 at 6:07 am

    Greetinks, Komrade. for sharing that quotation with us, I am plissed to refer you to the Universe’s universally acknowledged worst computer game, “Stalin Versus Martians.” Their Mod II has not been released yet, but we can dance while we wait: Um, it gets worse…

    And just for Izn’t, here is even a ship simulator game now released as of the 21st of September 2010 in which you can captain the Greenturd whaler intercepting vessel and release you inflatable crew to stop the evil ships from doing in that whale that did for Pinocchio, almost.

  58. Dancing Bear says:

    Hi, Amerloque. Here’s kind of an interesting game trailer, probably closer to how things will play out than is comfortable, but I like the idea of armoured bears LOL Zombie Stalins anyone?

  59. Dancing Bear says:

    izen says:
    October 2, 2010 at 5:34 am

    Granted this is a superb way to round up the IP addresses and e-mail addresses of the opposition and then jam them systematically.

    Then the I.C.E.’s division can nail their arse for racketeering.

    Your move.

  60. izen says:

    @-Pointman says: October 2, 2010 at 6:06 am
    “Your being played.” – On how many levels is this wrong?”

    On at least one.
    It should be ”You are being played”

    She also has links to Ed Milliband.
    Not a solo maverick.
    There is also a link to journeyman

    Watch out for the concern trolls.
    Interesting times…

  61. rastech says:

    izen says:
    October 2, 2010 at 5:34 am
    “Your being played.”

    Sorry Izen, but with all the recent ‘human cull’ talk, even you must be able to see how badly they are playing themselves.

    This is a graphic depiction of th elanguage that has been used, language far too many people have seen with their own eyes.

    The ‘eco-fascist greenshirt’ label, has been resoundingly confirmed.

    By themselves.

  62. suffolkboy says:

    Well, Al Gore didn’t get a completely smooth ride in Tampa[1]. He says it was all-time record 129 in Pakistan and 102 in Moss-Cow.
    I didn’t quite catch what they did to the “Global Warming is a Hoax” heckler though. In Blackpool he’d have been re-educated by a security guard[2].

  63. orkneylad says:

    Can’t believe izen is trying to twist this one……..the pole is so low you’d need to be bacteria to squeeze under it.

  64. Pointman says:

    izen says:
    October 2, 2010 at 8:09 am

    I’m looking at your non-reply. You wretches have the impertinence to call us deniers …


  65. Pointman says:

    Mathematically, I’m persuaded that there may exist the possibility of a reality where it’s okay to blow children up and spray their bits over other children to make a political point but not in my reality. Not this day, not tomorrow or any day. We’re better than that, a lot better than that or we’re doomed.


  66. Pointman… Robert Anson Heinlein made a few points about different reality’s in the Number of the Beast.
    Anyhow not that anybody really cares but finally got inspired to write a new blog.

    Bad English grammar and punctuation are still all free.

  67. Ozboy says:

    …and for those of you in the UK, rest assured your government is working tirelessly to make things soooooo much simpler for you and your employer…

    Centralized power: don’t you just love it? (Hat tip: Mrs Oz :-D)

  68. Ozboy says:

    …and I know this is pretty low, and plays the same guilt-by-association card the warmists are so fond of, but I can’t help myself…

    Meet the AGW movement’s latest signed-up member.

  69. Amerloque says:

    Good Morning, Everyone !

    USA Today is trotting out the quasi-immorality argument this morning …

    Oct 01, 2010

    We’re not worthy? Try “we’re not ready,” when it comes to climate change

    While Wayne and Garth may have howled “We’re not worthy” when meeting one of their rock idols, Americans should be saying “We’re not ready” when it comes to preparing for the effects of climate change.

    This is according to a new report presented this week to President Obama’s science advisor, John P. Holdren.

    “The real takeaway from this report is that our nation is at risk and we’re not ready,” said Sherwood Boehlert, Special Advisor to the Project on Climate Science. “Climate change is already occurring in the United States and around the world, but we are not responding quickly enough,” he says.

    The Project on Climate Science is supported by the Natural Resources Defense Council, the World Wildlife Fund and the United Nations Foundations.

    The report was based on the National Climate Adaptation Summit held in May 2010, and emphasizes the need for a national effort to address the effects of global warming, expected to include extreme heat waves, droughts, floods, hurricanes and rising sea levels. …/… ///

  70. Ozboy… Osama went green 6 months ago this is a rehash, although why the left wants a mass murderer endorsing them heaven only knows.

  71. Amerloque says:

    Hi !

    Ed Driscoll over at is well worth a read, IMHO

    “‘No Pressure’: Fascistic New Video Red-Lines the Eco-Insanity Meter”

  72. Amerloque says:

    Hi MV !

    Good to see you back.

    Day by Day !


  73. Locusts says:

    Guardian commenter:

    30 September 2010 10:55PM

    It’s no good, I’ve been thinking about this for half an hour and I’m still not quite able to believe that video ever got the go-ahead.

    Last year I moved to be close to where I work, so almost eliminating my transport carbon emissions. I have never owned a car. My computer has an LED backlight, I’m using about 4 watts to light my kitchen with LED bulbs. I deliberately live in a smaller house than I can afford, to avoid wasting fuel on heating. I’ve flown about five times in the last decade.

    In summary, my carbon footprint was already freakishly low, before I’d ever heard about this campaign.

    And yet if I now fail to sign up to another 10% cut, apparently I deserve to die (albiet in a really clever satirical way written by comedy genius Richard Curtis)?

    This video may just have convinced me to finally buy a car. Maybe a massive one.

  74. manonthemoor says:

    I take the liberty of repeating this post from the current JD blog before it gets lost

    //Piers Corbyn
    2 hours ago
    Recommended by
    24 people
    I attempted to comment on the Guardian’s thread on this matter but as as been mentioned before the Guardian of free expression subjects my posts to automatic censorship. My pass rate is 1/3 so as a precaution here is my posting on the Guardian:-
    ( – )

    Yes it’s a sick film but ironically the CO2 – climate change lobby and climate fraudsters are already causing deaths.

    For example a number of people were killed on UK and European icy roads last winter (and Spring) due to the fact that the UK and Europe ran out of road salt. This running out of road salt was because Councils and Government heeded the Met Office advice that there would be a mild winter and ignored our WeatherAction warnings that the UK would run out of road salt.

    As I explained to Hilary Benn on Sept 29th at the Labour conference in Manchester the reason why the Met Office long range forecasts were so deadly wrong last winter (and the one before etc etc) was because they back-tested them using (as well as failed assumptions ) CRU data which was fraudulently made warmer than reality so forecasts based on that are bound to come out too warm and cause deaths which could otherwise have been avoided.
    I made the point specific in a recent video giving the tragic example of the child killed on 31st March in a school bus which crashed on snow covered black ice in Lanarkshire. See VIDEO via
    and pdf –

    Click to access WANews10No15.pdf

    Around the world thousands die from extreme weather events the solar-based forecasts of which are ignored by governments because they do not want to upset the CO2-Climate Change ideology on which they rely to control energy, resources, the public and to raise carbon taxes and boost the carbon trading bubble of false value.

    Thank you//

    Such comments are worthwhile and recognise the frustration of wise people trying to be heard and the power of the internet blogs to give them a voice.


  75. Blackswan says:

    Good evening Everyone at Oz’s Bar & Grill……….

    After 5 weeks on the North Island, the Swan is back at its nesting site on the banks of the River Derwent. I’m a happy swan.

    I’ve spent the last few days on a marathon catch-up with your endeavours over these past weeks and a brilliant read it’s been. You’ve all accomplished some great insights from varying perspectives, thoroughly demolishing any credibility the Hucksters, Fraudsters and Banksters are deluded enough to think they still retain.

    The bleatings of the Warmist apologists are even more pathetic than ever.

    I often wondered how any rational adult with two functioning brain cells could still give any credence to the AGW Myth, but having spent these past weeks with no computer, no Internet and no newspapers except the local rag (that publisher of Media Releases), and local TV News, I realise how thoroughly bombarded with AGW Propaganda the Average Joe truly is.

    It’s incessant and unrelenting, in almost every TV commercial, every political statement. According to Jooolya Gizzard, Australians are clamouring for a Carbon Tax.
    Yeah right.

    Great to see Memoryvault back in-stride – best wishes to you and Thumper MV, you make a great team.

    So if you folks don’t mind, I’ll pull my chair up a little closer to that cosy log fire Oz has been stoking and warm my feathers up a little. Gee, for all that AGW Izen’tit has been prattling on about, it sure is chilly around here.

    Coming back from the city today we passed a ute (that’s a pick-up truck for you American friends) with the back piled high with snow. They’d been to the top of nearby Mount Wellington – there’s heaps of the stuff up there. As it was the Aussie Rules Football Grand Final today it looked like the Boyz had loaded the ute to keep the grog cold (and for pelting fistfuls of it at the opposition no doubt).

    If this is Catastrophic AGW we’re in big trouble. Quick, where’s my blankie and my Ugg boots?

  76. Amerloque says:

    Hello Blackswan !
    on October 2, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Good to see you back ! (grin)

    ///It’s incessant and unrelenting, in almost every TV commercial, every political statement. According to Jooolya Gizzard, Australians are clamouring for a Carbon Tax.///

    Come to France. It’s essentially the same, except it’s the entire country. (sigh)

    BTW, the word here for us rejectionists is ” climato-sceptiques”. A good blog (calm; with few hysterical trolls) if one reads French is at:


    /// Pour ceux qui restent lucides et en tiennent à une analyse rationnelle de nos connaissances, nous en sommes toujours au même point :

    le réchauffement global observé depuis plus d’un siècle est modéré, il montre une sensibilité climatique au CO2 relativement faible, sans doute dans les fourchettes basses de celles proposées par le GIEC ;

    les incertitudes fondamentales, notamment sur le rôle du soleil, le comportement des océans, sur les aérosols, sur la vapeur d’eau et sur la nébulosité ne seront levées que très lentement par la recherche et la modélisation ;

    il y a fort à parier que la simple observation du climat d’ici 2020 contraindra de manière importante les réponses que nous attendons, puisque l’hypothèse d’une forte sensibilité climatique au CO2 devra se traduire par une hausse soutenue des températures. Et inversement, bien sûr.

    Au grand dam des catastrophistes, ces dernières années (depuis 2000) ont vu un réchauffement faible ou nul, malgré l’augmentation des émissions de CO2 et la baisse des émissions d’aérosols, deux facteurs conjugués qui auraient dû provoquer au contraire une hausse continue des températures globales. La réalité est décidément plus sceptique que certains de ses observateurs… …/… ///

    The site is at:

    The MSM is now giving far more voice to anti-windpower protesters and organizations. Best site is still sems to be:

    “Vent de Colere (i.e., “Angry Wind”) is a French non-profit association founded to fight “industrial windmills”. “Industrial windmills” are defined as those large ones which a) are being connected to the grid and b) are disfiguring the countryside.

    The site is at:

    The site is excellent, with information on all issues: deign, installation, maintenance, as well as the economics of windmills and legal issues. One particularly useful series of files are the “how to” files, e.g. one fine day the mayor and or town council decides to put in windmills … and here are the arguments to make them think twice (or thrice) and back down.

    Something like 400 (!) French anti-windmill non-profits associations from all ’round the country are members of Vent de Colere.

    Now is not the time to let up ! (grin)


  77. Blackswan says:

    G’day Amerloque

    Unfortunately for me, I don’t read or speak French (those schooldays were too long ago and I just didn’t geddit – how does one know when to use le or la – how can I know when a table or a crayon is male or female?, but I can order from the menu in a French restaurant.

    That isn’t going to help me read your links however. I was just catching up over at JD’s DT blog and RR’s details re UK wind turbine performance are revealing as usual.
    That sort of information is simply not available in this country. No-one in the industry is telling and, more importantly, no-one else is asking let alone demanding that such performance (or lack of) statistics be made available.

    We are simply told that wind/solar energy is the ONLY option for the future. The newly-empowered Green Party is hell-bent on closing down our coal industry, not only our coal-fired power plants but our mega-billion dollar exports as well as it’s “morally wrong” to export such “pollution” elsewhere, to China in particular.

    After they’ve dealt with “evil” coal the next on their To-Do Shutdown List is Uranium exports.

    The coming weeks of our new Parliament promises to be most interesting. Exactly how much power have the minority Greens captured for themselves and to what extent will Jooolya concede the economic viability of our Nation’s future.

    Interesting times indeed Amerloque.

  78. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Welcome back, Blackswan! To celebrate, I thought we should include the theme song for the anti-AGW movement, which is a clever ditty by Michel Legrand from a film called “The Thomas Crown Affair,” a truly ugly and brutal film about a bespoke and well-educated self-appointed Ubermensch plotting to and successfully robbing a bank after screwing the policewoman sent to apprehend and capture him, which is, basically, what AGW also is all about: f**king people then taking all their money LOL! Excellent song, nevertheless.

  79. Walt O'Bruin says:


    If that formerly low-carbon-footprint commentator at the Guardian gets a big car as penance for the folly of his former ways, let’s hope he gets one of these little beauties, a Ford Shelby Mustang: The Sixties. Wen will they end, I wonder?

  80. Walt O'Bruin says:

    All the Sixties accomplished was to seek to validate the perfidy of the amoral.

  81. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Wonder why it didn’t work on us.

  82. Pointman says:

    Hi Walt,

    Since we appear to share a taste in a good car chase and there are so few good ones around, have my favourite. Driving on these roads is dangerous at the best of times, doing a car chase on them is insano …


  83. Amerloque says:

    Hi Polar-bear-soon-to-become-grizzly-or-vice-versa Bear !

    On October 2, 2010 at 11:30 pm
    /// Wonder why it didn’t work on us.///

    Well … perhaps it did.
    Then we grew older and met reality.
    People change.


  84. Amerloque says:

    Hi Hibernating-in-New-York Bear !

    on October 2, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    /// screwing the policewoman ///

    In the original, Faye Dunaway was an insurance bounty hunter. (grin)

    Word back then was FD was a real quantity-over-quality lady.


  85. Ironic Bear says:

    Amerloque says:
    October 3, 2010 at 12:15 am

    I am wondering if this falling apart of the greentard agenda will not unleash a corps of insurance investigators to recoup the money their investment folks had erroneously placed with greentard faux projects Potemkin Village-style on behalf of the churches, schools, government agencies, and unions which have so foolishly squandered their members’ pension funds. One can only hope. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose.

    From what I understand, FD had a pretty rough go of it in Tinseltown. Her performance in “Chinatown” cancels out all her sins in this life and the next, IMHO. Hadn’t seen her in a bit working, but she appeared at a screening of a new film last year. Still drop-dead gorgeous. It used to be called star quality. Apparently, now star quality is a liability when working along the Boulevard of Broken Dreams.


    All I can say is…zoom! That’s what commuting on a Michigan superhighway was like daily during the winter LOL! Dr. Dave can verify this contention.

  86. Ironic Bear says:

    FD is the one who should have played Baroness Thatcher, or Queen Elizabeth I, or even better, Catherine the Great. Madame Curie as well, but who remembers her, or (another role) Frances Perkins?

  87. Network was good too, but beneath her, I thought.

  88. Amerloque says:

    Hello Ironic Bear !

    Read all about it !

    /// October 02, 2010
    Obama in The 99th Percentile Of Islamophilia
    By Carol A. Taber

    President Barack Hussein Obama has finally found a book whose ideas he’s willing to espouse other than Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. It’s The 99, and it’s a comic book designed to spread tolerance for Islam. “I have to say perhaps the most innovative response [to my outreach policy] was from Dr. Naif Al-Mutawa,” Obama told a recent Presidential Summit on Entrepreneurship. “His comic books have captured the imagination of so many young people, they’re superheroes who embody the teachings and tolerance of Islam. …”

    Let me say it is precisely because they have “captured” the imagination of so many young people that we have a problem, Houston.

    The 99 is produced in Kuwait and is now scheduled to premiere on The Hub (an American television network that is a co-venture between Hasbro, the toy company, and Discovery Communications) as an animated series produced by Endemol. While Obama promotes the comic series as an honest attempt at bridging gaps, the series preview, viewable here, is anything but. Frankly, it’s chilling — in fact, breathtaking — in its obvious intent to brainwash American children.

    The video preview begins by telling the children that a group of 99 young superheroes “hold the future in their hands” but that their “struggle against evil goes back through the ages.” The video then tells five-year-olds that the story begins in 13th-century Baghdad, where the “Library of Wisdom” contains a “collection of knowledge second to none” but that it isn’t to last because “Mongol hordes” swept in to “destroy the empire.” The invaders threw the books in the Tigris River, but Muslim scholars, who had 99 special gemstones, infused the stones with the wisdom and power of the books. Today, 99 youngsters find these stones that were scattered around the world, giving them superpowers, but the question is…who will guide these 99 heroes — “the forces of light or the forces of darkness?”

    The video tells a fictionalized historic tale of Islam, in which tolerant and open Muslim empires stretching as far as Spain were attacked by barbaric hordes ranging from the Mongols to King Ferdinand of Spain (of course, nowhere is there an honest accounting of Islam’s warrior quest to invade and then dominate non-Muslim lands — invasions that invited responses). In the video, we are treated to animated scenes of Islamic buildings and mosques on fire, but nary a mention of beheading non-Muslims for not converting to Islam once their lands were conquered or destroying churches and synagogues or converting them into victory mosques. (Picky,
    picky, I know, but a few facts wouldn’t have hurt this venture.) …/…

    Our kids and grandkids are at the head of the line for brainwashuing.


  89. Too bad about the pet civet being run over, Pointman.


    No hard felines, I’m sure.

  90. OzBoy and MOTM, I am torn about running the reply by a certain person of influence who surprisingly responded to my e-mail of the video. I don’t want to violate their privacy.

    Suffice it to say, we are not alone. Let those of power pounce at the moment they so choose.

    Protect their privacy, Walt. Learning their identity might be entertaining, but outcomes are what matter.

    FYI (but not wishing to be deliberately mysterious), I’m doing a certain amount of this already here at LibertyGibbert. You’re right: we certainly are not alone – Oz

  91. Pointman says:

    Walt, not many people notice that bit …


  92. Amerloque says:
    October 3, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Not enough attention has been given to the links between radical Islam and the green movement financially. Every Mohammedan state is heavily invested in the greentard movement…and with oil earnings, no less, hypocrisy being seen as the better part of discretion, apparently.

  93. For Islam to invest in greentardism is one way to ensure their shared radicalism is at the helm of our energy resource galleon. Whether we become energy independent or not, the present level of Arab state investment in greentardism rivals the West’s.

  94. I still don’t know how any film producer, director or scriptwriter can get away with portraying the murder of minors in a positive context without going to jail anywhere in the civilized world. My scripts may not be up for being awarded a Little Gold Guy, but I know my movie content law.

  95. My senses are still attuned, Pointman. I don’t know if it’s always an asset.

  96. Most of the time, it pays best to not know what’s going on LOL

  97. Shouldn’t Harriet Harman be informed of this gross violation of the civil rights of children, do you think, he said with his best David Niven smile.

  98. Maybe after a nice walk to enjoy the changing foliage along the riverfront. Pix, anyone? Time to try out the photo option on ye olde HTC Evo 4G, a product of the real, FREE China as its product quality clearly shows, made by people who like to come to work rather than be chained to the floor, available only from Sprint/Nextel.

  99. manonthemoor says:

    Hi Walt this vid thing still has a way to go and the AGW idiots will rue the day that they ever thought this bad idea up.

    Another gem from the latest JD blog here:-

    50 minutes ago
    Recommended by
    11 people
    There never was any science in AGW, what is worrying is that so many people were duped.

    What is infinitely more worrying, is the manipulation, duplicity and chicanery involved in this undoubtedly evil deception, which at it’s most base level is outright blackmail, there is no other word for it.

    All of the politicians in the ‘bubble’ have bought into this AGW fraud, it is said, that there are many Tory MPs who do not ‘sign up’ to this AGW fraud but silence is tantamount to acquiescence, is it not?

    Jedward’s (Milipeed) climate bill passed virtually unopposed through Parliament, this was gross negligence, on our behalf by our so called ‘representatives’ – if they truly had our interests and had the best of intentions, why didn’t someone, anyone challenged this appalling bill?

    I have said so before, I will now say so again, the palliative measures which the Act enforces, are outright lunacy, they will cost billions of pounds, of your and my money and produce no benefits whatsoever, yes NOTHING of worth.
    See here:

    So why did our ‘representatives’ sign up to this madness?

    Well there are many reasons and none are valid ones, firstly there is no threat from MM CO2 e causing global warming but the induction of the idea of threat, pestilence and famine, play right into the ‘elites’ hands.

    The wall came down in 89, a new threat was needed, AGW filled the gap nicely.

    There are many vested interests who need you and me on board (the AGW scam) whether you are a volunteer or as more likely a ‘pressed man’ ie shanghaied into this vast fraud, via your taxes.

    We have to pay taxes, the covenant between the people and government is that: these monies will be used properly, sparingly and wisely, this covenant is broken and a carriage and horses run through it with the climate Act.

    This is coercion, this is blackmail and this is plain wrong, who is standing up for the rights of the people?
    No one, in America there is a grassroots movement called the Tea Party, we need such a movement, our MPs are part of the problem, not the solution.

    Not our MPs, they hold the EU line, that AGW is real and we need to cut CO2 emissions.

    No we do not!

    This is a lie and they are trying (and succeeding) to bind us – Britain, into a non-democratic tyranny, where our views, opinions and lives are totally controlled.

    To make this ‘dream’ happen all sorts of dark arts are being used.
    Frightening people with threats of Armageddon and increased incidence of weather extremes and sea level rise are some of their ruses, there are many more.

    The elites of the EU – the politburo or Commission and in Britain the Socialist cognoscenti, Big business, collaborating Vichy Tories, have collectively, one fundamental and abiding principle (and a basic premise of the ‘club of Rome’): that, the people, are unable and unwilling to govern themselves without the greater wisdom of the ‘elites’ who, always have and always will know better and that, the ‘elite’ will maintain their hegemony through the joint tyrannies of, fear, force and propaganda, (the 10:10 film no doubt the first of many such gems).

    When will we stand up and say enough to this blackmail//

    This film may have opened peoples eyes and just in time for the ‘UK Spending Review’ will there now be a popular revolt (bloodless via the internet of course) against the Climate Change Bill and its totally false premise.

    Has JACK finally been let out of the box
    A week is a short time in politics
    Time enough to rescind the Climate Change Bill

  100. manonthemoor says:


    Welcome back Swan to our mad world, lots of things have happened over the last five weeks, and it seems there is much more to come.

  101. 1940 Bear says:

    MOTM, the best I can recommend isn’t intuitive by any means. Were I a UK citizen, I would be calling for Lord Soames to be appointed Energy Minister with the added portfolio of Industry and Commerce Minister, just as the people called for Winnie when the earlier Oswald Moseleys were upon you.

    MOTM, you are very properly positioned to put forth the video to the Human Rights Commission in the manner and pretext indicated above. It properly IS a violation of the rights of children to portray them being murdered in this fashion, i.e., a positive light. This is just not done in Tinseltown anywhere on the planet. It is a scriptwriter’s nightmare that they should ever be called upon to include such notions in their scripts. It’s not even done in the horror flicks. There were several films in the 1980’s which took a poke at it, but circumvented this barbarity by having the child killed in a sleeping bag hopping away from the monster (please note this involved a monster and an evil one killing the child, not a schoolteacher in a classroom).

    I would hazard a guess a loyal writers’ guild brother or sister to take Mr. Curtis’ union card away on the weight of this infraction…after he gets out of jail.

    No ideology justifies such barbarity. It is against the law.

  102. Edward. says:

    G’day Oz,

    On that clip.

    The coercive blagging shit bags who are responsible for this appalling piece of shit, soorrryyyyyyy filem, are filth.

    The major problem and the big scandal is that, the British government is behind this and so are many ‘respectable’ big companies.

    I have written to my MP, MEP and shall be emailing and writing to various other conspirators responsible for funding/backing this execrable and disgusting shitfest.

    @On the RS, a very whispered, maybe but………..not good enough at all.

    They (some of them anyway) are shit-kickers themselves, cabalists in the massive AGW scam, if they were true scientists and most of them are (now) not, then they would have spoken out about this dishonesty long ago.

    Spineless amoebas, lackeys and curs, brawling, begging and mewling for scraps from their political master’s tables.

    A curse on their house.

    I see the RS as I have done for years, a debating society and a bunch of kids entertainers at Christmas on the Beeb – xmas lectures.
    Nobody really takes them seriously anymore.

    Let them rot.

    @MV, sorry to hear about the hand, especially serious if it’s your ‘cranking’ hand:>)

    Seriously though, good to hear from you mate.

    @And so too, Swanny!

    G’day! to the both of yer! (and the rest of the lads ‘n’ lasses!).
    (And hello pointy!)


  103. Pointman says:

    What I find truly offensive is that the film was aimed at the young. I can only hope that enough children in the USA were exposed to it for a few covered warrants to be drawn up.


    BTW. Welcome back Swan. Good to see you in the B&G again.

  104. 1940 Bear says:

    I personally tend to agree with this fellow posting at Jo Nova:
    Peter Wilson:
    October 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    This is clearly a major stuff up by the warmists, but I’m beginning to wonder about Richard Curtis. Is it not conceivable than he is actually on our side, and has produced this vile piece of trash to illustrate just what obscene lengths the eco-totalitarians will tolerate.

    Surely he was wanting to see how far he could go for just one person to say “hey, you can’t do this, this makes us look like the Khmer Rouge”. But no, these eco-warriors sat through the pitch, the mock ups, the rushes and the previews, and they all thought it was a great idea.

    Very revealing as to the mindset involved, I suggest. Thanks Richard, you really showed them up!

    There are at least 3,000 to 5,000 workhours all told involved in this production, surely enough time for all concerned to spot the illegalities and brutality of the production, especially on the part of the UK government which financed this wretched masterpiece’s creation and distribution.

    A writer’s first duty is to the truth, regardless of the cost to one’s person, prospects and reputation. Intentional or not, Mr. Curtis has certainly triumphed in the revealing of truth here. Had someone did the same for the Third Reich as Mr. Curtis has done for the greentards with this video, the Gestapo would have paid the producer/scriptwriter with a Luger’s bullet.

    By the by, I wonder what Mr. Curtis’ personal security arrangements are. Just out of professional curiosity, you understand. Down the road, HMG shall have to answer for this travesty. I am wondering if the Met can be trusted with Mr. Curtis’ security.

  105. 1940 Bear says:

    Con Coughlin’s RUSIDS-affiliated security consultancy would be the best go-to people on a weekend for Mr. Curtis, I would think. Time for a Maltese writers’ sabbatical.

  106. 1940 Bear says:

    Better yet, Palermo or Ajaccio. No friends of the greentards in either place LOL!

  107. manonthemoor says:

    1940 Bear says:
    October 3, 2010 at 3:59 am

    Hi Walt — Please can I have your permission to post this piece including your comments (unassigned) on the current JD blog



  108. CriticalThinker says:

    Re 10:10 clip – Gosselin now gets it…
    It was done by ARROGANCE. It was done by DOGMA. It was done by ignorance. When people believe they have ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE, with no test in reality, this is how they behave.

  109. manonthemoor says:

    Is this a taster for when the lights go out — YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

    No responsible government in their right mind can allow our electricity supply to compromised, but clearly there is no accounting for biased AGW idiots who support the Climate Change Bill


  110. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    War Bear,

    That’s an interesting comment. It would be nice if it were true.

  111. Locusts & Wild Honey says:


    Electricity compromised? I hope not. Broadband is more important than beer.

  112. 1940 Bear says:

    manonthemoor says:
    October 3, 2010 at 4:20 am

    Avec plaisir, monsieur. Allons a les barricades!

    Or as they say in Queens: Soitainly! The entire lot as a single document, if desired.

  113. 1940 Bear says:

    Actually, it would be a nice contract for Con’s company. We could put in for a percentage of the fee, wot? LOL

  114. 1940 Bear says:

    CriticalThinker says:
    October 3, 2010 at 4:25 am

    I’m a little hesitant to post the video to Orthodox Jewish friends not in security and therefore lacking in restraint. They are not shy about responding to a perceived threat anymore.

    Oh, what the hell….

    Why not? Catch you all in a bit LOL!

  115. manonthemoor says:

    1940 Bear
    October 3, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Done sir !

  116. 1940 Bear says:

    Some river pix. We are going to get washed out Cumbria-style next week, methinks. The greentards won’t let the Corps of Engineers dredge here for fear of loosening up old industrial waste in the Binghamton, NY, riverbed mud, so lots of nice people are going to lose their houses and their lives if it rains more heavily next week than is forecast as they did in 2006 owing to theoretical concerns.

  117. 1940 Bear says:

    Once more, with feeling:

  118. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    I’ve just posted this:

    I can’t remember the name of that guy who went in to the Discovery Channel building and caused a right fuss until I think he was shot.

    Everyone denounced him as being crazy. I don’t think he was. Just very simple. If global warming etc. is all real, then everybody should be doing exactly what he did.

    There is a very clear link between the psychology of that guy and the rational of this video. Either they are right, or everybody else is wrong. Which is it to be?

    At what price the Earth?

    If however they are wrong, then the slowly slowly approach may be best. If they are completely wrong, then, the slower the better!


  119. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    Oh, it’s already been deleted.

  120. Locusts & Wild Honey says:


  121. Hi, Locusts and Wild Honey:

    No problem.

    Here are the demands of James Lee, former environmental activist presently engaged in doing his comic impression of a rotting worm-filled corpse with an excellently placed police marksman’s bullet rattling about in his brainbox:

    The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
    1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other’s inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

    2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

    3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

    4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn’t, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

    5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

    6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

    7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!

    8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You’re the media, you can reach enough people. It’s your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

    9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

    10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

    11. You’re also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

    Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

    For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

    It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

    Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

    The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

    Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

    The humans? The planet does not need humans.

    You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

    I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

    These are the demands and sayings of Lee.


  122. I especially relish the irony of an immigrant or descendant of same being opposed to immigration as James Lee was. James, if you can hear me, your wish is granted! You have now been sent back where you came from!

  123. I have to wait until sundown to send off the video to my Orthodox friends.

  124. Locusts says:

    Parody of the video, I can’t see it at the mo, so you’ll have to tell me if it was funny or not.

  125. suffolkboy says:

    I didn’t really like the video. If they were going to do a simple sub-title-over, like the endless Hitler-in-a-bunker clips, they could have kept the subject matter confined to warmist-coolist religious wars. This version is likely to attract all sorts of highly emotionally-charged comments irrelevant to the AGW issues.

    Doubtless there will be many more parodies by tomorrow!

  126. Locusts says:

    Discovery Channel Bear,

    All of those conditions… that’s roughly how I felt until I stopped reading the Guardian and the Independent.

    Logical progression from provided news stories, with the guts to act on it. He probably would have been a good soldier. Or at the least a very enthusiastic one.

  127. Locusts says:


    Cool. I’ll be in Hong Kong again soon, so will be able to youtube to my heart’s content! Hope enough parodies come out by then to make it worth while!

  128. I agree, suffolkboy. They should have stuck to the green stuff with the parody issue. While there is substantial Arab investment in green projects in the West, at home the idea of an environmental movement is a bit of a joke to them.

  129. manonthemoor says:


    Just read through the Daily Mail comments and 26 out of 30 are stridently against the film. If one considers this reaction together with the JD blog plus Jo Nova and the Guardian comments, then they have truly unleashed a hornet nest of public opinion against both the film and the AGW scam.

    This is the first time to my knowledge that the AGW credo has been linked to violence or racial hate in this way by the public. Eyes have been opened and the green revolution in the form of AGW propaganda is exposed for all to see. The use of children in this way reflects the depths to which our education system has stooped to brainwash the most vulnerable in society.

    The makers of this film, their sponsors and the government finance should be caused to answer for this travesty in the courts.

    Perhaps — Just Perhaps this represents a tipping point, not the AGW version but he realisation by Joe Public that they have had enough of the brain washing and now wish the dirty washing to be exposed not just the science but the politicians and in particular the power greedy financial suits behind them.


  130. Locusts says:
    October 3, 2010 at 6:48 am

    I disagree about Lee ever being a good soldier or any other form of public servant. Military survival is about adaptation and about being integrated into the society you serve. The psychological screeners weed out thousands of these types at military induction centres.

  131. The oath you take when you enlist is to uphold and defend the Constitution and to defend the USA against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Fail for Lee on both counts. Fail for the environmental movement on both counts, IMHO.

  132. James Lee needed to get laid, is what he needed LOL

  133. MOTM,

    I caught your re-posting of my stuff here on the DT. It is already on page 2, gone forever, owing mostly to ignoramus’ rant respecting US exploitation of the Indians….

  134. Locusts says:

    James Lee needed to get laid

    Where’s bje when you need him?

  135. I think it has to do with ad-clicks, Dickless does. You go to another page to find a post, and 50 ads get another click.

  136. It’s really a very dishonest way to fraudulently generate ad revenue LOL No one sees the ads if they are posting. In seven years of blogging at the DT, I didn’t click on an ad once.

  137. Locusts says:
    October 3, 2010 at 7:16 am


  138. I think it stands for B. Job-Elephant.

  139. manonthemoor says:

    Discovery Channel Bear
    October 3, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Hi Walt, it is a great shame that DISQUS is so unfriendly and good posts are so easily lost, for that reason I try to ensure some at least are retained here courtesy of the great Oz.

    Unfortunately the DT has a wide following and may still choose to persevere with the format to make their points. Some seem to relish the challenge of arguing with trolls, but after a time this gets boring and I have yet to see any changing of sides either way so what is the point of it all.

    Regardless of my concerns new posters still arrive at JD blogs whereas they are becoming rare here, but without doubt many still visit here for the more stable view and of course the excellent extras on the ‘top shelf’.

    We all have preferences, but without doubt we are united in the common cause of smashing the AGW bandwaggon, long may we all continue.

  140. MOTM yes disqus sucks and I hate the watermelon pro Islam pro gay mods over at the DT. My impression is that one them is gay bearded muslim wearing a burkha so your average labour party supporter.

  141. manonthemoor says:

    Latest Chris Booker piece here :-

    Gunning for Pachauri and the Nu Lab charities commission.

    At present the loss of credibility of Pachauri calls the whole position of IPCC5 in question and does nothing for the Cancun meeting, so whilst he clings on to his job the science is suspect and the politics tainted. If however he is forced out there is a chance that the whole pack of cards will be even more exposed leading to a worse results.

    Thus either way heads or tails AGW loses and we will gain more ground.

  142. fenbeagle says:

    My bet is, he will go….. Which is a terrible shame.

    For a cartoonist – Oz

  143. Blackswan says:

    Good morning all,

    Some interesting posts last night, thanks MOTM for Booker’s piece on Pachauri. Charity? How many of these “entities” are festering away below the radar? Money laundering and tax evasion by any other name still smells as putrid.

    The focus on the 10:10 video has been on the children involved, but what about the sporting heroes being eliminated, or the workers (maybe the kids’ Mums & Dads) being targeted and destroyed by their bosses for failing to comply. It is ALL odious in the extreme.

    Will prosecutions follow? The System won’t allow it. Can’t allow it. To find one smart-arse propaganda producer guilty of a criminal act renders them ALL culpable, and the System protects its own.

  144. suffolkboy says:

    @Discovery Channel Bear said October 3, 2010 at 6:50 am remarked on the parody clip.

    The Muslim parody video has now been “removed by the author”.

  145. Blackswan says:

    How’s this for reasons why taxpayer wind/solar subsidies are kept under wraps in this country? For reasons wind performance data is secret?

    Under the guise of “infrastructure upgrades and maintenance” these horrendous energy price-hikes are putting Cash into the pockets of the Perpetrators with nary a mention of the Costs and Subsidies involved in skewering our countryside with forests of useless wind turbines.

    A pox on the lot of ’em.

  146. manonthemoor says:

    October 3, 2010 at 8:18 am

    A further thought the Indian gov have taken a lot of stick over the Commonwealth Games and so will support Pachauri, also if he leaves will this expose bad practice by TERI, but finally if he leaves will this cause a panic in the carbon trading scam in which his active support may be a keystone

    Interesting times


  147. manonthemoor says:
    October 3, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Again, I think the DT’s Disqus usage is entirely an economically motivated thing, although as “challenged” as the moderators seem to be, odds are this is how the Alex and Clive HR types at the DT met their compulsory hiring requirements of ex-felons or whomever to keep them out of the mainstream of normal operations. Maybe a bit of both. As Damien is in charge of blogs, may they are using ex-felon priests LOL

    Oddly, that does sort of suit the pattern of the moderators’ activities, doesn’t it?.

    I am also sure we shall prevail. It is just Day 683 or whatever of the daily artillery attacks of the Huns, to my mind, and it does become wearsome. Our grandparents stomached 1563 days of WW I, and not from the comfort of their home or InterNet cafe computer stations, either.

  148. Even if the Delirium Tremens extended the number of posts shown to 200 at a time it would be usable.

  149. With 200 posts per page, then it is 5 pages to click through rather than 40 to view all of a typical JD blog of 1,000 posts. Dickless would then be almost functional.

  150. crownarmourer says:
    October 3, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Good ‘un.

  151. Pointman says:

    They’ve finally settled on a uniform. Not black with white piping, something altogether more green.


  152. Maybe if the DT found advertisers which manufactured spaghetti, or ribbon, or rope or garden hose. Then the ad would stretch the length of the 200-post page.

  153. Makes for an easier target to acquire, certainly. I would have thought that instead of the human figure shown it would simply be the Mr. Moneybags guy with the monocle and top hat from Monopoly running away with his bags of the ready.

    BS-seeking missiles would work best, but then there would be no more politicians or advertising agencies.

  154. Pointman says:

    I do think the armband is appropriate. Death to that carbon-based lifeform. They’ve got a new motto as well. “Mit uns oder gegen uns”, usually translated as you’re either with us or against us.


  155. Amanda says:

    Hello All, and Blackswan (I was just wondering about you).

    Crown: My impression is that one them is gay bearded muslim wearing a burkha so your average labour party supporter.

    heh heh

  156. Blackswan says:

    Western Front Bear – G’day……..

    Coincidentally, I’m currently reading an account of Australia’s first Victoria Cross winner on the Western Front and Gallipoli in the Great War, Albert Jacka VC, and his return to civilian life in the ’20s and 30’s through the Depression years.

    Curiously, this……….

    “The mood of pessimism that permeated the world during these times was reflected in the contemporary sci-fi novel, ‘Last and First Men’ by University of Liverpool philosopher, Dr Olaf Stapledon.

    It foreshadowed hundreds of years of wars to follow the Great War beginning with France defeating Fascist Italy over lands in North Africa. The infuriated Roman mob puts its leader to death. Then France and Britain go to war in the air, with death rays destroying both London and Paris.

    In the east, Germany and the Soviet Union go to war destroying Berlin, Leningrad and Moscow in the process. Weakened Europe cannot resist the onslaught of the United States, which has become 100 per cent American (by losing its British roots), and while Australians remain neutral (not through cowardice, but a “conflict of loyalties”), the New Zealanders hold out against the Americans in their mountainous regions.

    Then, the Chinese are “awakened from their long indifference” and go to war with the United States over the oil-fuel question, ending up dividing the world between them – and that was just the beginning of the story.”

    The author, Michael Lawriwsky, has done a masterful job of research into the life and times of Jacka, and I felt this excerpt was “spooky” in its relevance to subsequent events, and those yet to come to pass.

    As Locusts revealed in his translations, now we have “smokeless war”on economies, but lethal nonetheless.

  157. Pointman says:

    Eco-Fundamentalists? Hate, Actually.

    10:10 founder Franny Armstrong: “Doing nothing about climate change is still a fairly common affliction, even in this day and age. What to do with those people, who are together threatening everybody’s existence on this planet? Clearly we don’t really think they should be blown up, that’s just a joke for the mini-movie, but maybe a little amputating would be a good place to start?”

    I’m glad Franny’s on their side. She’s a real asset. Let’s hope she, like Pachauri, keeps her present job.


  158. Pointman says:

    Some things are just too good to be kept to yourself. More help but this time from “Siel Ju – Hollywood socialite with a Ph. D blogs about health, beauty and life”.

    The comments to her blog say it all …


  159. Blackswan says:

    G’day Amanda,

    I’ve been in “exile” on the mainland, sans internet for 5 weeks. Yikes! Catching up has been a great read.

    Your idea of Oz’s “prize” for the 10,000th as something from Tasmania presents a bit of a pickle. Our best “stuff” is gourmet fooood, very yummy but hard to mail around the world.

    Dr Dave’s suggestion of Vegemite is a goody as it comes in lightweight tubes now, but he doesn’t want to win!! Gee Dave, you know it’s good for you, Vitamin B and all that…lol.

    I trust you’ve settled into your new Florida environs by now.
    Cheers to you and Mr A, not forgetting Chummy of course.

  160. msher says:


    Hello. How are your cygnets?

  161. Blackswan says:

    Hi Pointman,

    Thanks for your recent chapters on “Line of Descent” – you’re a master of the cliff-hanger – great stuff.

    And then there’s your artwork – creative people just have-it-all I guess. Thanks for sharing it at the B&G, you know it’s much appreciated – and valued.

    As for your 10:10 links today…….
    “maybe a little amputating would be a good place to start?”

    These comments from women no less, stereo-typed to be the nurturing all-seeing bundles of sensitivity who will save the world. Yeah.

  162. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 3, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Thanks Swan, very generous of you. I hope you’ve enjoyed.


  163. Blackswan says:

    Hi msher – long time no hear.

    Cygnets are fine – thanks for asking.

    Some months ago you asked about smart-metres, of which I knew nothing at the time, but have made it my business to enlighten myself. I actually found a document entitled “Energy Agreement – Customer Charter” wherein we find gems such as …………

    ” We do not control the delivery, quality or reliability of energy supply to the premises.”
    “…..the energy delivered to the premises may be subject to: fluctuations in voltage, wave or frequency of electricity.”
    The Supplier is not responsible if: “the distributor or the market and system operator interrupts supply to the premises”
    “there are insufficient quantities of energy to meet demands of all users.”

    This crap goes on for 71 pages, msher – great isn’t it?

    Hiding the Decline on Energy in Plain Sight.

    I’m wondering if ANY of the consumers who have signed to this Agreement have actually read the thing.

    I always thought the word ‘agreement’ meant “mutual understanding, contract or promise” – in this case it means concede to our dictates or go light some candles.

    Swanny, the thing that really burns me about Aurora (everyone else – they’re Tasmania’s power company) is that even though our power is produced through falling water and doesn’t emit greenhouse gases, they’re still jacking up their prices to keep us in line with the coal-fired mainland. Heaven forbid people got the idea that hydro-electricity was cleaner and greener – we’d have to build more dams then. F&#$%@ Bob Brown – Oz

  164. msher says:

    Hi Blackswan

    What is clear is that whoever is providing electricity to your house doesn’t not actually operate the grid that electricity flows through or from, and doesn’t actually own any power. So I don’t know who that party would be. What that language doesn’t tell you is what, if anything, you still have to pay if there are “fluctations”or “disruptions.” For all you know, more.

    In law, that kind of contract is called an “adhesion contract,” meaning the consumer has to take or leave it and has no bargaining power.

    I don’t know if you have to resort to candles. Couldn’t you hook up a bicycle to a generator fueled with biofuels and just pedal real hard to keep the generator going?

    I have an important question: Do tasmanian devils try to eat cygnets?

    Devils will eat anything, so long as it’s deceased. They’re carrion mammals, not predators – Oz

  165. Amanda says:

    Blackswan the Bird-Charmer: How darling of you to remember my husband well and especially, my dog. You should be Principal of the Blackswan School of Knowledge and Enchantment. Sounds like the new Harry Potter story! Someone should make a mint!

    I was very glad Pointman decided to share his painting. He must have more about somewhere….

    As for Vegemite, it’s just Aussie Marmite. I’d be much more interested in that drink or that honey….

  166. Amanda says:

    ‘remember well’ = wish well entangled with remember. That was my thought.

  167. Blackswan says:

    msher says:
    October 3, 2010 at 11:23 am

    You’re right. That “agreement” is with a retailer (a la Enron) that generates nothing. It applies in the National Capital where the roll-out of smart metres is due to happen apace.

    Consumers remain clueless as to the implications but it sure lets all the “players” off the hook with zero liability all-round, leaving the user paying escalating bills and still in-the-dark (pun intended).

    As for “Do tasmanian devils try to eat cygnets?” – I guess they do, if their raids on hen-houses is an indicator. Basically, they aren’t exactly predators – more like hyenas cleaning up carrion in the forests – you know, big powerful bone-crunching jaws and all that.

    Sometimes cygnets ARE Tassie devils, especially the recalcitrant ones who pay no heed to their parent swans.

  168. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: Re being settled: Hubby hates the job and there’s not a single fruit tree on the whole property, but other than that — yes, it’s great to be back in Florida, my favourite state in the union (California and New York are both wonderful of course, but full of Democrats and their failed policies, and generally too expensive for us!). I spent five years in Texas. I like their feisty independence and their chirping frogs, but it was past time to move on.

  169. Amanda says:

    Nice to see Msher paying a visit. She’s been great on James’s blog. The arms of ten men in one….

  170. Amanda says:

    Walt the Big Toothy Bear Who Waits In Dark Alleys For Women In Suits : I have just now seen your answer to my question on another thread about where you born, with sundry interesting sidelights: thanks for answering. As my friend Coltek says to me on James’s blog: ‘it’s all good’. Translation: You’re so interesting. But, as regards macrame: can that *really* be anyone’s abiding interest? I did something in macrame once. It was a hanging plant holder. (No kidding!) I was extremely young and didn’t know any better.

  171. msher says:


    It’s possible that the smart meter company is just that – a software company that runs the software in the meter and reads consumption and charges you, or when ordered to, turns off/down the flow of electricity into your house via the meter – and has no other connection to the electricity grid. If this is true, I don’t know who owns and maintains the wires to the grid or who directs the company as to programming as to how much electricity your house gets. I also wouldn’t know who you call about problems.

  172. Amanda says:

    By the way, I mean ‘friend’ in the philosophic sense of like-minded, sympathetic, etc. I’ve never met anyone on the DT blogs in person. I’ve chatted to Crownarmourer more than anyone over the past year, and I live nearest to him, too (as far as I know); and I still have no idea what he looks like.

  173. Blackswan says:

    Hi Ozboy,

    That “Agreement” was from Energy Australia and applies to NSW and the ACT.

    As for Hydro Power, wasn’t it David Bellamy who paraded himself before the cameras for the protests at building the dams in the ’80s? – that Green stalwart who gave Brown a leg-up in building his rep as defender of all things green and beautiful?

    Now Bellamy has backed-off his AGW rants, but not Brown. I remember some years ago a photo-shoot of Brown outside his historic rural cottage and wait for it…….there was woodsmoke curling out the top of his chimney. All that carbon release and particulate pollution – shock, horror. He recently said he was “in the process” of having PV panels installed on his roof – so much for the heritage value of his house. Prat!!!!

    Hey Oz (& MV – How are you mate?) I just found out the wind-toy forests have sprung up all around Lake George, dozens of ’em.

    Still can’t find out exactly how many of the things have been built around the country – now that Labor is finally settling in (like cuckoos in the nest) I’ll have another go at asking the new Energy Minister.

    Interesting times indeed.

  174. Blackswan says:


    You and your honey, honey. Have you tried mead? Now that’s a brew that will mess with your equilibrium.

  175. msher says:


    ” The arms of ten men in one????”

    We now speak of the claws of ten kitties in one!

    I hope the trolls don’t tire Richard Courtney away. He may not care to engage in the game with them.

    Dyke in pink boot is a send-up, I think. Not for real a lesbian female, or if so, camping it up on purpose.

  176. Amanda says:

    Msher: Love kitties: that works as well.

    As for pink booties: I found it so tedious that I decided to shut up for once. Unusual, you’ll agree!

  177. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: I’d love to have my equilibrium messed with. As long as I don’t regret it in the morning!

  178. Amanda says:

    Honey Bear: I left a response for you on Crown’s blog.

  179. Dr. Dave says:


    Wonderful to have you back, Sir!

    Five weeks in exile without internet access? Was this a felony punishment in Australia? I think the Obama administration has decreed that even the detainees at Gitmo must be given unfettered access to wireless broadband. We have, however, cut them back to only one scoop of ice cream per day (we Yanks can be unspeakably cruel to our Muslim terrorists).

    I’m surprised you didn’t suffer IWS (Internet Withdrawal Syndrome). I hear heroin withdrawal is not even as bad as IWS.


  180. Blackswan they make mead on Lindisfarne although never tried to quaff it.

  181. msher says:


    My “Kitty” can’t be approached without at least 50 lbs of fresh kill. His name, until I decide on a final name, is “Kitty.” I’m thinking of making the final name “Fluffy,” but I’m not sure. It may just stay “Kitty.” I think he eats little birdies pretty easily – but the damn little birdie keeps popping up again.

    I’ve noticed you’ve been pretty absent from James’ blog. If they could just get rid of the damn pages and make it one page that can be scrolled, I think it would be workable. James is getting huge dissemination now. (He’s getting very good about figuring out subjects and titles.) I’m writing there because I think it still important to do so.

  182. Blackswan says:


    Gee, Hank’s back. To be taken in small doses with a measure of cerptitude.
    Thanks NI.

  183. Amanda heres a pic of someone who looks like me…


  184. msher says:

    How do I load my avatar – Kitty – on here?

  185. msher get a wordpress acount I think will work.

  186. msher says:


    I have no idea how to do that. I’ll live without a picture of Kitty.

  187. msher says:


    I should just point out that Kitty is a VERY mean, hungary leopard.

  188. msher go to sign up for an account then you can add a picture via gravatar.

    The more the merrier – Oz

  189. Blackswan says:

    Hi Dr Dave.

    IWS is not as bad as NDS (Nicotine Deprivation Syndrome) – both harrowing “black-holes” in one’s enjoyment of life.

    You’re right about Gitmo – here the taxpayer fully funds complete Internet access for illegal boat-people invading our shores from foreign climes. “Human rights” I think it’s called – but not for locals I’m afraid.

    An extended stay in a household free from the blight of computers was a timely reminder of how the world used to be and how Govts and the MSM can so adeptly manipulate the mindset of any population. Mind you, there are many who have all the cyber bells and whistles money can buy but who lack the intellectual curiosity to utilise those resources to really see the world around them. If ignorance is indeed bliss, some live in a state of euphoria, blithely unaware of impending perils.

    Hey Dave, how come you don’t want to win Oz’s Vegemite prize? Big sook. Ya gotta be tuff to chow down on Aussie tucker…lol.

    It’s good to chat with y’all again.

    Maybe I should disqualify Aussies from the 10K Vegemite; we’re only about 200 off – Oz

  190. Amanda says:

    Msher: ‘Fluffy’ is perfect! But I like ‘Kitty’, too.

    As for poster interest/comments, James is racking up the most amazing numbers, isn’t he? Compare with last year… it’s incredible.

    I’m only away a moment or two… as a blog addict, it’s never very long, whatever else I really need to do. It’s like gossip you can’t stand to miss out on!

  191. Amanda says:

    P. S. Msher: The click-for-more-comments feature (as opposed to one scrollable page) drives me mad (you have to keep going page by page — it doesn’t even let you specify so you can leap to number 5 or whatever). Another defect of a non-scrolling page is that you can’t use the ‘Find’ feature from the browser toolbar to look for people or specific posts. The only thing I like is the edit feature. That’s it.

  192. Amanda says:

    Crown: re the rolly polly with the sweet face: that’s why your grandbabby loves you!

  193. Dr. Dave says:


    I’m still on the prowl to locate a small jar of Vegemite because, true to my word, I won’t disparage it until I’ve tried it. I suspect what Ozboy communicated to me is probably correct, that unless you’ve been raised on the stuff you’ll probably not find it palatable.

    I’ve been trying to think of some common American foodstuff you might not have in Oz. There are exotic (and disgusting) regional favorites but none of these have the universal nature that Vegemite enjoys in Oz. Is Mexican cuisine popular in Oz?

    I admire your stamina to eschew internet access for so long a period. It would be tough for me. I canceled my local newspaper and don’t watch that much TV. The internet has become my window on the world. It allows me to get a lot of news in a very concentrated form in a short period of time. It is nice to take a break from email every now and then, though.

    Perhaps one does need to be tuff for Aussie tucker. The American palate is not accustomed to such delights as mutton (but we do eat lamb). So how do you like your ‘roo…rare or well done?

    You work on your ya’ll and work on my g’day.


  194. Amanda if you must know I had brown hair with some ginger mixed in, I have an Orish tan ie my natural complexion verges on pink/white I have deep set hazel eyes which depending on my mood can change to blue or so the missus tells me but being colour blind I can’t tell. My nose is Scandinavian I am broadly built and just a smidgen shy of 6ft. So I look like a lot of people in the north of England I have been told I am handsome but that may just be the voices in my head.
    So just imagine every good looking Hollywood actor, now that you have that visual, I’m nothing like them.

  195. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Pointman says:
    October 3, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Love the Jesus vs. Hitler wrestling match. I have an Indian friend who runs a party store who will drop over dead laughing at the Ghandi assist. The other links show promise, too, especially the Passion of Zombie Jesus.

    Amanda, I will be ducking over to view your comments after this post. Just wanted to let you know my Orthodox buddies are already onto the video item.

    Great to have you back, Blackswan. Hope the mainland was fun and refreshing for you. We are pretty much on top of things, as always.

    Re Jacka, it is interesting how writers through the centuries re-discover how working as a scribe invokes odd patterns and synchronicities along the lines of the I-Ching or the wicca-style poetic oracular epiphanies, but from having worked with large bodies of stats associated with the pre-1980’s world of data processing and having read too much Koestler, there should be no reason why externalities of swirling patterns of meaning and semantics should not generate their own form of order much as do fractal phenomena in physics. It isn’t magic, it is a form of Brownian motion of patterns of meaning driven by unknown laws of the geometry of semantics and reason to conform to recurring constructs of human thought and action. There is no sharp line between language and math, as Whitehead and Russell proved, but are one face each of Janus.

    Or as my biz mentor would say, “Here’s some chalk, there’s the blackboard, prove it or shut up.” I can’t. No one can. Yet people can and do see these patterns on a recurring basis. Why?

    No idea. Where is he, BTW?

  196. Amanda says:

    Walt, that’s great. I tried the I-Ching but now I do I-Bling, which you do when you’re a bellyrina.

  197. Amanda says:

    Oh, for Christ sake, Crown, why can’t you just paint your own picture like Pointman did? It would be so much simpler. You do sound rather hunky but don’t tell Mr A OR Mrs C that I said so. I’ve got enough trouble as it is!

  198. Amanda says:

    Mind you, in reality you’re probably blond and 5 foot 2 with Ronnie Corbett’s nose and Elton John’s completely pointless toupee. But if you are, never mind, I still think you’re great :^).

    P. S. Nah, I believe you.

  199. Dr. Dave says:


    I thought the I-Ching was that Apple product developed specifically for the Asian market. I’m so confused…

  200. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Hello, Msher! Long time no see. How is the campaign going in California? There are so many energy initiatives.

  201. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Hi, Dr. Dave. No, that’s the ka-ching. Vegemite’s not bad, either, if you can handle escargot or deep-fried huntsman spiders.

    How about that Michigan standby, beets? Or rootabagas? Or kohlrabi?

  202. Walt O'Bruin says:

    I actually tried on the I-ching with the three coins and everything for about a month in 1971. Proverbs like “You will live until you die” come to mind, as I recall.

  203. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Bellyrinas are more gooder, too.

  204. Amanda there is a reason the missus keeps me well fed, after the romance dies down you can’t beat a gourmet meal every night, tonight she came up with cajun spiced pan fried cod, which is a worlds first.
    I lack pointmans skills with painting so I could not paint you a picture but my hair is fairly intact but again have the high Orish hair line, trouble is I inherited the going gray from 16 gene if I’m lucky I shall go completely white haired like my granny so playing Santa is a possibility I won’t even need a pillow. However I don’t do jolly and the only Ho Ho’s I have even heard about ply there trade on Summer Avenue with the choice of interesting disease for those inclined to find out and I’m not one of them.
    The good thing about genetics is I will always appear 10 to 15 years younger than my calendar age.

  205. Walt found the perfect bellyrina I hope this not what you had in mind…


  206. Dr. Dave says:


    Doesn’t just about everybody eat beets? I love ’em. One of my favorite veggies. Kohlrabi might be slightly more exotic. Perhaps Jicama?


  207. Blackswan says:

    G’day Crown

    That green likeness of you isn’t right at all – you’d never shave that bristling moustache.

    Mead at Lindisfarne eh? We have a Hobart suburb called Lindisfarne but I don’t think we have any monks brewing epic alcoholic beverages there. Plenty of drinkers, just short of monks these days, but then isn’t everybody?

  208. Blackswan says:

    msher says:
    October 3, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “Kitty is a VERY mean, hungary leopard.”

    Gee msher, big spotty felines in Budapest. Who’d have thought that?

  209. Blackswan glad you are back, yes they do brew mead on Holy Island although not by monks they all moved down to Durham for safety in the 9th century. I must try it one day so how many pints should I consume at a sitting before going Beserker and running off into battle naked, it’s the Viking in me and you have to honour the old traditions.

  210. Blackswan says:


    You have had a serious encounter with a huntsman spider haven’t you? I can tell. It’s a recurring nightmare for you. Deep frying them seems like a just retribution, but the hairy leggy bits get caught in your teeth. Otherwise, yumm.

    Don’t come woodcutting with me then Walt. The ones down here are up to five inches across and inhabit checks (splits) in fallen logs; when I open them up with the ‘splitter they come running out looking for someone to attack.

    Someone like you, Walt…

    Pleasant dreams – Oz

  211. Blackswan says:

    Dr Dave & Walt

    When an American talks about “beets”, what is that?

    We have beetroot, a round deep ruby-coloured root vegetable served hot or cold.
    We have turnips and swedes, also round but white and served hot or in soups.

    What do you call a beet? Mind you, this is an earth-shatteringly vital topic of contention. The future of the free world may hinge on future harvests of beets.

    One of Australia’s greatest culinary contributions is the addition of beetroot to the traditional American hamburger – Oz

  212. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    The newly monocultural areas of some cities in Britain are becoming more and more confident:

    No pressure then? – Oz 😉

  213. Dr. Dave says:


    Right up there with leopards and spiders, I suppose. What I call beets are, in fact, beetroot. A yummy, dirt-flavored vegetable. Good question, though, because the Beet family also consists of spinach and chard. Turnips in all their forms are ubiquitous worldwide. It’s entirely possible you don’t encounter Jicama in your grocery stores, but offhand I can’t imagine anything widely available and commonly consumed in the USA not being just as commonly available in Oz. The converse, however, is not true.

    The near universal love of Vegemite in Australia fascinates me. Hell, even peanut butter is not as widely regarded here in the States. Just like distinct regional dialects, we have certain foods that are regional favorites but I can’t think of a single common foodstuff that nearly everyone eats that hasn’t either been imported from elsewhere or exported to everywhere. Americanized Mexican cuisine might be one such example, but I have no way of knowing. Do you currently keep a jar of Picante in your refrigerator? It’s as common as Ketchup in the USA these days, yet I would venture a guess that it may not be a regular item on most British or Australian shopping lists.

    I’m casting about trying to think of something nearly as common in the US as Vegemite is in Oz that has not already been incorporated into your cuisine. Although you have the climate to grow it, perhaps Okra is not too popular in Oz. Bad example because it’s not too popular in most of the US.

    Sorry, man. This is just my little O/T foray into pondering cultural and societal differences between two countries with a (nearly) common language but located on opposite ends of the planet.

    Back to our regular programming…

  214. Blackswan beets are beetroots and are best served pickled in vinegar. As should onions.

  215. Vegetables served here in the south are collard greens which come from the banana plant I think and okra as eaten by people who think adding slimy vegetables to food is a good idea.

  216. Blackswan says:

    Dr Dave & Crown

    Thanks fellas – never heard of “Picante”, but I do have a bottle of Tabasco – does that count? Enough of this madness. Nearly as puerile as squirrel pie. Sheesh, don’t get Pointy started again.

  217. Blackswan… Picante is for wusses, the missus makes a Chipotle Salsa with ring of fire inducing Thai peppers. You need to try some Tex Mex food sometime a smothered burrito with green chili goes down a treat.
    However in the interests of Western civilization she can now cook Yorkshire puddings and Cornish Pasty’s. At some point I will persuade her to cook the vegetables to remove all vitamin content.

  218. Dr. Dave says:


    We have a locally produced salsa (i.e. Picante) that can make fire shoot out of your ears (ears…if you’re lucky!). Tex-Mex is wonderful cuisine. I would think it would have caught on in Oz by now. Perhaps not in the UK because it actually has flavor.

    It occurred to me that perhaps asparagus is not common in Oz. It grows in the ditches in Michigan and is, in my opinion, the finest of vegetables. But it’s extremely seasonal and doesn’t grow well in hot, dry climates. I hated it when I was a kid and it was cheap and common. Now it’s $4/lb (in season) at the grocery store.

    True Mexican food is not all that good or interesting. Once it became hybridized with Texas and California cuisine it became quite exciting and took over the country (along with the Mexicans). Maybe we should open up a taco, burrito, quesadilla and fajita shop in Adelaide and retire wealthy.


  219. Ozboy says:

    For those interested, I’ve been punching out that little twerp “aphillips” on JD’s blog. I’m off for the evening, cooking dinner. Perhaps some of you would care to take over for me.



  220. Blackswan says:

    Just watching an ABC TV news grab of Jooolya Gizzard meeting our troops in Afghanistan. One soldier asked what was her Govt’s position on providing further resources to our oh-so-thinly equipped troops.

    Her response? “We take advice on these things – if they say you need more ‘stuff’ we’ll consider it.”

    Gee fellas, I bet that makes you all feel sooooo much better.

    What a witless cow! Our military personnel will sleep more soundly in their bunks now (guess we don’t do trenches any more). We have two soldiers currently under court martial for returning fire to a Taliban firing on them from a room full of women and children. Five of the dead in the resulting firefight included children.

    What support and equipment did these men have?

    And this stooopid PM says “If you need more stuff we’ll consider it”. Spare our soldiers from the idiocy of these fools and charlatans.

    As the angry Bruin says, all this to preserve the poppy fields and war lords.

  221. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    Aphid is a fucking idiot.

  222. Pointman says:

    Squirrels? Squirrels? Did somebody mention squirrels?


  223. Blackswan says:

    You’re incorrigible.

  224. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    Perhaps some of you would care to take over for me.

    Did you mean, on cooking dinner for, and eating it with your wife? Or managing the blog? 😉

  225. Blackswan says:

    I went over to the DT for a look-see, but it’s so long since I logged-in there I have No Idea of my details. Better have another go.

  226. Pointman says:


    interesting to see you back here but tone down the GE adulation bit. While we see his utility and indeed, appear to feed him every second blog topic, there’s not that much enthusiasm in the Bar & Grill for the Führerprinzip.


  227. Amerloque says:

    Hello Aftersabbath Bear !
    On October 3, 2010 at 1:05 am

    ///OzBoy and MOTM, I am torn about running the reply by a certain person of influence who surprisingly responded to my e-mail of the video. I don’t want to violate their privacy.///

    Fully agree with Ozboy on this one, in spades, doubled and redoubled, if for no other reason than the certain people might take umbrage and clam up when the next time rolls around. Results are what matter.

    We’re all using out network (web ?) of contacts in politics and in the business world on this.

    Mme Amerloque is tired of inviting people to dinner simply to pass the message. Some of the younger political hacks (“chefs de cabinet”, i.e., chiefs of staff and “assistants parlémentaires”) that the offspring sometime bring home defy belief. They are immoral and irrational.

    We’re running up quite a list of “din-din IOUs”, though. Hope we’re still around to cash in on them when the hacks’ careers take off ! (smile)

    Now is not the time to let up !

  228. Amerloque says:

    Hi Pointman !
    on October 3, 2010 at 10:15 am

    /// “Siel Ju – Hollywood socialite with a Ph. D blogs about health, beauty and life”.///

    A true whacko. Mme Amerloque thinks we ran into this individual at a cocktail party some years ago. I disagree with her, since last time we were in Hollywood was before 9/11 …

    Amerloque could resist posting a couple of comments. (sigh)

    /// “Replace the detonated schoolkids with homosexuals.

    How “funny” is that ?

    Replace the detonated schoolkids with blacks.

    How “funny” is that ?

    Replace the detonated schoolkids with Jews.

    How “funny” is that ?

    You are encouraging terrorism.///

    And in response to her lukewarm ‘mea culpa’ …

    /// So you would have no problem showing this “satiric” film to:
    – schoolchildren in a private school ?
    – schoolchildren in a public school ?
    – schoolchildren at a faith-based private school ?
    – children in a “Sunday school” or equivalent ?
    – survivors of the WWII extermination camps ?
    – victims of terrorist bombings on public transport and in restaurants ?
    – families of 9/11 victims ? ///

    Now is not the time to let up !

  229. Amerloque says:

    Hello not-extinct-Pyrenées Bear !
    on October 3, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    /// the I-ching with the three coins and everything for about a month in 1971. Proverbs like “You will live until you die” come to mind, as I recall.///

    (wide grin)

    Yes, the Richard Wilhelm translation was all the rage.

    Not able to read or write Chinese, Amerloque sometimes felt that his (originally Germanic ?) platitudes were a bit much.

    (wider grin)

    Perhaps Locusts (Hi Locusts !) might be kind enough to help Amerloque out on this ? What do authentic Chinese do with the I-Ching ? Do they really cast the three “lowest coins of the realm” ?

    Now is not the time to let up !

  230. Blackswan says:

    I did register on DT, had my say to aphilips, went back 10 mins later and I’m on page 2 already. Kept reading and encountered this pink-foot creature.

    What the hell is THAT all about?

    Crude, lewd, grotesque – in the extreme. If that’s the best JD’s “light on moderation” policy can do, he should give it away altogether and go contemplate his navel some more.

    What a bloody waste of time.

  231. Amerloque says:

    Hi Blackswan !
    on October 3, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    /// huntsman spider///

    /// up to five inches across///

    To this day, Amerloque, after more than four decades here in France, is unable to stick his hand on the shelf under the kitchen sick on the farm, or grab stuff blindly in dark garages, or move stuff around shadowy cellars and basements. He requires a flashlight (torch). A very bright one. (grin)

    When growing up in very, very unsuburbanized SoCal in the 1950s, Amerloque was trained that way so as not to be bitten by a “black widow spider”. That’s a little SoCal spider about an inch long, with two red spots on its “belly”. A bite is fatal within two minutes. They like shadowy places.

    We also received heavy programming about:

    Poison oak/poison ivy (don’t touch it)

    Scorpions (always shake boots before donning them after waking up when camping)

    Rattleskakes (forked stick, knife to cut across fang marks, suck)

    Coyotes (make a very loud noise and keep moving)

    California puma/mountain lion) (become invisible quickly and never, ever climb a tree)

    Oleander bush /Nerium oleander (never, ever touch one or play with one. It’s one of the most toxic plants in the world. This was brought home in dramatic manner when in the mid 50s a troop of Boy Scouts from the East Coast and their Scoutmaster were hiking and decided to cut oleander bushes to cook their hotdogs on the straight branches. They did, and they all died.)

    Word has it that there are now far more bears coming down from the droughtridden mountains to scavenge in suburban trashcans.

    Wonder what they’re telling the kids to do !

    To this day, Amerloque carries three days of food in his car and two burlap water bags, cooking stuff … plus a serious firstaid kit, oxygen, flares, matches, the whole enchilada.

    In France. (sigh)

    Mme Amerloque thinks her hubby is slightly paranoid on this. Don’t even ask his in-laws. (wide grin)

    Now is not the time to let up !

  232. Dr Dave the missus is a chef and she knows all sorts of cooking from all over the world ran the country club kitchen on Guam for the military ran a profit and had lines waiting to be served. Was the base commanders personal chef for a while. She can cook learned native American cooking with influences from Denver down to the border we would knock em dead, no squirrel though.

  233. Pointman says:

    Amerlogue, palpable hits mon ami.


  234. Blackswan says:


    We also have a small lethal black spider with a red spot on its back, surprisingly called a red-back. We too have been schooled in self-preservation in the face of nasty little creepy critters.

    About oleanders…….a few years ago when I lived in Canberra, a woman was charged with the attempted murder of her husband. Over an extended period of time, she stirred the sugar into his tea or coffee with………an oleander twig. He experienced many inexplicable symptoms of poisoning but they couldn’t pinpoint the cause. Can’t remember the details now but she ended up in prison.

    A cautionary tale for chauvinist husbands – happy wife, happy life – and make your own coffee…lol.

  235. Dr. Dave says:


    Good on ya. My girlfriend is also quite an accomplished cook. Other than her distaste of garlic and hot stuff we get along quite famously. Sadly, she has developed a burning urge to kill vermin. For all she cares I could starve as long as there is a squirrel out there she hasn’t already killed. She’s a beautiful woman but the vermin crossed the line with her. One year we had a bunny infestation that wiped out her lilies. Next thing I know I’m buying a high powered, scoped pellet rifle. Fortunately the rabbit slaughter only lasted a year before the great horned owls moved in. No more bunny problem. So far this year she has killed 27 gophers, one wood rat, 1 prairie dog and 2 ground squirrels. For the gophers it’s only a matter of time…she WILL trap them and kill them. The squirrels are a different matter. They’re much more clever a bugger and slippery, too. The woman is possessed. It’s now “personal” with her. Woe unto to the wee beasties for their story shall end badly.

  236. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    October 3, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    “For all she cares I could starve as long as there is a squirrel out there she hasn’t already killed. ”

    Ah, what a catch she must be. A woman after my own heart. Make sure she’s got lots of firepower in case the little vermin try to mob her.


  237. Blackswan says:

    PS Amerloque

    Best revise your snake-bite strategy.

    Our latest advice on remedial action is a pressure bandage. Immobilise the limb and bind entirely and firmly with an elasticised bandage to restrict blood-flow to the heart.

    Many foreign tourists here think we too are paranoid when we warn of inherent dangers in our landscape, from critters to our surf beaches to our river systems. Many have drowned or been stung by lethal marine creatures.

    As MV so picturesquely described, in our northern wilds tourists on bicycles are seen by crocodiles (and bemused locals) as “meals on wheels”. I’d rather be considered paranoid than end up as somebody’s Lunch…LOL

  238. Pointman says:

    Of course, if she finds herself in a CIWS situation, it’s best to turn to something that doesn’t run out of ammunition …


  239. Pointman says:

    For the enquiry [“no pressure” curtis] google news gives 33 hits. Google web search gives 42,000 hits. The MSM are soo far behind the curve. Didn’t work for their patron saint, won’t work for them either …


  240. msher says:


    Yes, that was Fluffy going after the annoying, squeaky parrot troll. That parrot refuses to die so matter how much of a fool it makes of itself.


    You can see all of any one person’s comments by clicking on their avatar. That sort of works – but you can’t see the replies or what they are commenting to. I wonder if disqus can be done without the pages. We could all ask Thompson to try to make that change. (On the other hand, there are only a few blogs where it might matter, so the DT might not care about our inconvenience.)

  241. Pointman says:

    Forgot to add, just substitute ‘Skeptic’ for ‘Jew’ in the speech then you’ll recognize the tune …


  242. fenbeagle says:

    I had a cat called fluffy once (black and white, with what looked like an eye patch. Longish hair spiked out and scruffy). There wasn’t a cat in the neighbourhood that could take it on.

  243. Blackswan says:
    October 3, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    I suggested to OzBoy he find an online newspaper oriented along our collective lines and approach them to build a newspaper around this blogspace. Surely there is one out there of a libertarian bent with an eye toward increased revenue. Blogs do attract traffic, if only to generate ad-clicks, but those can be ten pence a click. Times 1,000 times 5-20 pages times 52 times 10 pence is how much?

    Amerloque and DR.. Dave, in the South and East there is a spider called the brown recluse spider which critters’ bites cause arms and legs on people to rot away and fall off. Nasty piece of work. Don’t ever get take a terrace apartment when visiting the US South. Spaniels and Scottish terriers are handy with squirrels and rodents; that is why they were bred. The King Charles Spaniel was bred as a ratter back in the days of King Charles II, when the plague was sorted out to be rat-borne.

    Alternatively, it is not hard, but only time-consuming, to organize news one’s self. TransActions Magazine started out as a newspaper covering industrial news, and was updated biweekly. It generated 20 times the traffic I have now. I ought tohave set up a blogspace there.

  244. Pointman says:

    If you really want to see something truly awfully cringeworthy, read the piece below by Fred Pearce. He was the typical ‘modern’ journalist happily regurgitating alarmist crap prior to Climategate but now he’s doing a bit of repositioning and claiming a lot of credit for things for which I can only recall a deafening silence from his direction …


  245. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    I Ching?

    I don’t really know anything about it. Sorry!

  246. “As the angry Bruin says, all this to preserve the poppy fields and war lords.”

    It’s lawyers and politicians who are the heroin freaks now. Only the best for our “leaders.” Neither are routinely drug-tested as are their peons and serfs, neither in Europe nor the USA. Half the British Parliament and of the US Congress would be behind bars if they were subject to the same drug-testing employment rules as the peasantry.

    Also as over 40,000 tonnes of coke, crack and heroin come into the USA annually by estimates, there is no way that can be done logistically without government assistance. I am sure the Feds get a cut of that, and have since the CIA and US Army intel started traded intelligence for access to our drug market back in the 1960’s.

  247. Blackswan says:
    October 3, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Thanks! At least the Oz ones are not as large as the Laotian hunstman spider, which is around 16 inches across. Fortunately they prefer caves. Too much spider for me.

  248. msher says:


    So you approve of “Fluffy” as his name?

    Is there any chance that you will be illustrating any part of JAmes’ book? I think your drawings are brilliant. If this is a question that is prying and you don’t want to reveal anything, feel free to just ignore it. If it is a possibility, but neither of you want to pay lawyers, I can give some advice about terms and what the contract would look like, but not definitive advice, as it would be a British contract and I am not a British lawyer.

    Are your drawings copyrighted anywhere? (There is a common law copyright, but I mean registered with a copyright office.) Again, feel free to ignore the questions.

  249. crownarmourer says:
    October 3, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Eeeewwwwww. Yet one more reason why the Ottoman Empire fell: Turkish troops fighting over where to put the candelabra, the colour scheme and the interior decorating details of their bivouac while the Allies were at the gates.

    No culture is more gay than Islam. That is what is entirely behind their mistreatment and subjugation of women.

  250. What do authentic Chinese do with the I-Ching ?

    Probably use it as an alternate to the Sears catalogue in their outhouses.

  251. Actually, Blackswan, my out-of-body experience was with a golden orb weaver in Panama. I had point on maneuvers and walked face first into one hanging in the middle of its web which crossed the trail. I turned around to face the other guys in my squad and had a foot of spider point to point on my face, and it didn’t want to move. Turner, the black guy behind me, turned white, I swear. Then everyone kept coming up with lines to get me to laugh, in full knowledge it would chomp the sh*t out of me if I did.

    It eventually crawled up onto my helmet, which I knocked off, and it scarpered away. I never heard the last of that one the whole time I was down there.

    They aren’t venomous to humans especially, but they don’t brush their mandibles, so you can get blood poisoning and gangrene and/or tetanus. The crosshairs in telescopic and bomb sights used to use their web strands until laser etching and plastic microfilaments became available.

  252. fenbeagle says:

    I didn’t approve of fluffy as his name. But I was outvoted by my wife.
    I think it left him with an ‘Attitude problem’ but it did toughen him up.

    My understanding of copyright in Britain. Is that Artists always retain full copyright on their work in law, as an automatic right. Unless they sign it away. Which is why Educational book publishers always insist you sign a contract signing away the copyright, before you start a commission. Or you don’t get the job. (American publishers do so as well.)

    It also means that anyone using someone else’s artwork without permission, is in breach of copyright and could be sued.
    (But, of course, nobody ever does that on the internet.)

    I have sent James a sketch of the ‘God king Emperor’….and Albatross, (for his amusement.)

  253. Amerloque says:

    Hi Blackswan !
    on October 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    /// PS Amerloque

    Best revise your snake-bite strategy.
    Our latest advice on remedial action is a pressure bandage. Immobilise the limb and bind entirely and firmly with an elasticised bandage to restrict blood-flow to the heart. ///

    Thanks for the tip !

    What hap
    pens if the bite is not on a limb ? Sh1t happens. (grin)

    Now I have to carry another bandage in addition to my “Swiss Army” pocketknife ? (wider grin)

    Now is not the time to let up !

  254. If we were really serious about controlling drug traffic while eliminating a major unnecessary expense, the civilian intel agencies should be disbanded completely and the entire responsibility handed back to the military as business was done up until the OSS was disbanded. You truly cannot order anyone to do anything unless they are either military or a police agency, which de facto are paramilitaries and/or veterans of military service themselves.

    It is so bad the military themselves acknowledge they are now a culture entirely apart from the general populace in values and creed.

  255. Amerloque says:

    Hello arachnaphobe Bear !
    On October 3, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    /// What do authentic Chinese do with the I-Ching ?
    Probably use it as an alternate to the Sears catalogue in their outhouses.///

    Yeah, it’s probably heavily discouraged by the powers-that-be.

    Now is not the time to let up !

  256. fenbeagle says:
    October 3, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    That’s why schoolbooks are so bad. If you work for hire with no take on the royalties, would you care about what you wrote? Educational texts cost 3 times what trade fiction costs, too. I was offered 1500 bucks to do a welding textbook back in the 1980’s for a welding equipment manufacturer on a for-hire basis. No, I didn’t do it.

  257. Wonder what the politicians are going to say about the video on Monday, guys. They lucked out that the story broke on a Friday.

  258. Blackswan says:

    Newshound Bear

    Govt complicity in this trade surely begs the question “Why?”

    A pharmacologically suppressed (both legal & illegal) population is surely not sharp enough to challenge the puppet-masters. Focus tends to narrow to the imperative of daily needs and the “big picture” is lost.

    To put our “best of the best” in harm’s way to perpetuate such criminal fraud is unconscionable. I despise the architects of this charade.

  259. Amerloque says:

    Here in France, gendarmes are military, not civilian (think ‘Guardia Civil’ and ‘Carabinieri’). Until recently they were under the command of the Ministre des Armées / Ministre de la Défense (the name changes when the gov’t does) … . One of Sarkozy’s ‘reforms’, however, has been to place them under the command of the Minister of the Interior. They’re being transformed over time into glorified cops.

    Many here believe that this was done to prevent a possible ‘coup d’etat’, which has been a great fear of the Powers-That-Be since the (relatively large) street demonstrations by the (supposedly apolitical) ‘gendarmes’ several years ago. The gov’t shuddered when it saw that.

    Now is not the time to let up !

  260. msher says:


    Well, the name could be worse: “Buttercup.” But, I’m not completely decided. It might still “Kitty.”

    In the U.S., there is the ‘work for hire” doctrine – if you were employed to do a work (drawing, design or invention), either as a full time employee or as an independent contractor. the work probably belongs to the employer.

    “(b) Works Made for Hire. — In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright.”
    (917 U.S.C. § 201.)

    I didn’t notice if you put the copyright symbol on your drawings. In the U.S., it would look like this: © 2010 by “fenbeagle.”

    To make sure they own the drawing (or patent), employers usually reiterate and put assignments in their employment contracts. Lots of litigation over this, especially as employees who get a good idea, claim they worked on it on their own time, not the employer’s. Even worse when it’s an independent contractor and the independent contractor makes a variation of something he created elsewhere for a particular client and that client tries to claim the whole thing as his “work for hire.” Needless to say, the big guys – Disney, Microsoft, DuPont, etc. know enough to work it all out in their favor ahead of time. Small guys – employers, employees and independent contractors, end up in litigation all the time.

  261. Blackswan says:

    Arachnophobic Bear

    Sorry for my smart-a**se remarks about spider hang ups. There just had to be a story there somewhere, you mention them more often than you realise perhaps.

    Ironic isn’t it how our respective Military blokes are the only ones “permitted” to be Nationalistic anymore. The rest of us who argue for our countries’ freedoms and sovereignty, border security and who fly our National Flags are not Patriots but are dismissed and derided as rednecks, Fascists, conspiracy theorists and ignorant parochial impediments to free trade, foreign aid, tolerance and brotherly lurve.

    This brave new world is the stuff of our forefathers’ nightmares.

  262. fenbeagle says:

    hi msher
    Yes I know about Americas ‘work for hire’ I do a lot of work for American publishers (I’m working on something at the moment)……’Me’ of course, not my dog. I just come on here sometimes to see what my dogs been up to he has a ‘user name and everything’.

    ………He is a very naughty dog.

  263. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    smart mutt – smurtt.

  264. msher says:


    As someone who works with IP -what do you think about earlier drafts of the Framework Convention (Convention Framework?) for Copenhagen that had language about “removing the barriers” to “transfers of technology.” They removed the “removing barriers” language for Copenhagen. But that language set off loud sirens in my head. To me it only means one thing: abrogating patents and copyrights.

    There was an associated investment fund fund proposal, supposedly to allow poor countries to license/purchase technology. I didn’t do the math to see how far that would go. But in my view, if the intent were to have poor countries pay for the IP, the language would have read something to the effect: “Set up funding to permit legal acquisition of technology.”

    Both the “removing barriers” language – which again, they apparently also thought wouldn’t fly, and the “transfer of technology” language screams ATTENTION to me. It might not to a lay person – but the people who drafted/approved the document(s) were mostly lawyers. So what it means to me, it means to them.

    I have been writing about this for a year, trying to get James to focus on it. Now perhaps I am wrong – but hell, no I am not. That language is poison to the West. Do you have any thoughts? Do you want the “barriers removed” to the “transfer” of your drawings?

    I think this is such an important issue, and I am seeing no discussion of it. Maybe everyone is lulled by that original discussion of an investment fund for technology.

    Wind turbines are clearly horrible for your dog’s sensitive ears. I’m surprised he hasn’t emphasized that in condemnations of the things.

  265. Pointman says:

    Interesting and ingenius. At the 10:10 website they’ve found a way of letting people comment on the video by DOSSing it themselves. You have to page past the same message to get to the real comments, which run to about 591 at this moment. They’ll use it as an excuse to close down comments now though.


  266. fenbeagle says:

    I didn’t realise that back swans had to migrate? Welcome back

  267. Blackswan says:

    Newshound Bear @ 10.01pm

    Can’t seem to help myself Bear. I go to the DT from time to time on someone’s advice, maybe Oz or Toad or RR or Amanda or MOTM, have a look around and invariably wonder why I bothered.

    But as you say, to expand LG beyond its current format would take the sort of time, money and oversight that Oz simply doesn’t have time or resources for. As he reminded us a while ago, he and Mrs Oz will review their continuation of the blog at the end of the year.

    I hope folks haven’t forgotten the Donate facility on the Header – anything worthwhile has to be supported to make it viable.

    It will be interesting to see how this evolves.

  268. Pointman says:

    Feel free to leave your comment there though.


  269. Blackswan says:

    fenbeagle says:
    October 3, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    G’day Fen

    Thanks. We Black Swans of the Antipodes don’t fly north to escape the winter – we’re a hardy lot who brave the cold Antarctic blasts.

    However, sometimes circumstances take us far from our nests for a while. Interestingly, I noticed on the mainland that the swallows had already returned from the northern hemisphere and on my return last week I noted that they hadn’t arrived in Tasmania yet.

    Well today I saw the first pair of the little buggers swooping about the riverbank. A great sight to herald Spring regardless of the snow on the mountains.

    I caught up with the great work you did in recent blogs – terrific stuff.

  270. rastech says:

    Interesting comment on 10:10’s Facebook page (which I think has now slammed the door on comments):

    April Smith: ” Interesting background as to who wrote the video in question, Richard Curtis, the writer and director of Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hills, and Brigitte Jones. His partner, get this, is Emma Freud, greatgranddaughter of Sigmund Freud, sister of Matthew Freud, whos wife is Elizabeth Murdoch, daughter of Rupert …Murdoch… See how they are all tied in giving you your reality, and hear they are brainwashing the schools for the children to be little fanatics… Matthew Freud is head of Freud Communications, an international PR firm, just like Edward Bernaise, who was a nephew of S Freud. It’s all in the family isn’t it? These guys are brainwashing your children and most of you don’t even know it.

    All the bull is from the establishment; the very people who have been screwing the planet and its people for generations… “

  271. Blackswan says:

    Ooops, look at the time. Past midnight, I might turn into a pumpkin. Night all.

  272. Pointman says:

    Happy dreams, Swan.


  273. fenbeagle says:

    Sound is a big issue. (Although not very visual). My dog has been concerned about the plight of the local Davies family. There was to be a high court action this year, It has been put back for another year, more tests are being carried out……. They do not deserve their situation. Sound concerns about Wind Turbines are dependant on conditions. Wind Sheer, Amplitude modulation, turbulence built up, from one turbine to another. The layout of the turbines, number of turbines involved etc.
    It is difficult to make claims, without further study.
    I listened to a lecture recently by Dr Chris Hanning BSc MRCS LRCP MB BS FRCA MD Emeritus Consultant in sleep medicine at University Hospitals of Leicester.
    He was very concerned about wind turbine noise, sleep and health. In his view they can be worse than traffic, aircraft, other industrial sounds, and only beaten by a railway shunting yard.

    Copenhagen was alarming, in many ways. Perhaps it was the low point?

  274. msher says:


    As someone who owns, IP, I’m interested in your particular reaction to the language about removing barriers to transfers of technology. It’s OK if you disagree with me that it sounds alarming

  275. Locusts & Wild Honey says:

    Haven’t refreshed in a while, will I win the wooden vegemite spoon?

  276. msher says:


    P.S. In terms of the sound not being visual, Guglielmo Marconi might have disagreed. I always think of him as one of the most amazing of the Nobel laureates = that he envisioned these invisible things called sound waves, and then made a radio. (Personally, I think it is all magic, as is the telephone and the computer, brought to us by magic spirits. ) How many other things are out there that no one has simply envisioned yet and one day will be matter of fact?

  277. Locusts & Wild Honey says:


  278. fenbeagle says:

    By IP I assume you mean intellectual property.
    I agree with you, it is alarming, although I’m not fully aware of what was propossed. I’m not in agreement, anyway, with the existing situation with artists, whereby the artist signs away the copyright on their work. It is common practise. All the illustrators that I am in contact with, go along with it, just to get work (myself included), as they really have no choice. And they all think its wrong.
    Having said that, it has never been easier to use an artists work without permission, or their knowledge. It has never been easier to commission work from artists working in other countries with lower costs of living. To use free, or very cheap clip art. Or of course photography or photoshop adjusted photography.
    I know many very good illustrators that have given up, and now work at something else.
    When all else fails, there’s always the renewable energy business.

  279. Locusts & Wild Honey says:


    So, if anything, the internet has killed creativity, or at least pushed it in to the hands of the priviliged few?

  280. fenbeagle says:

    I don’t think you can kill creativity. And, in many ways, the Internet has increased creativity, and every persons ability to be creative.
    ….It’s made it harder though, to make money from creativity. Although money itself, seems to me to be going through a bit of a crises, in itself.

  281. Locusts says:

    How befuddling.

  282. fenbeagle says:
    October 4, 2010 at 1:46 am

    I read what you and msher have written about rights to your own work. That is one thing that has put me so far behind in my writing and even my project development work for power plants (there is an entire industry for technical writers working for trade journals, and most articles pay nothing if you freelance; you have to take a staff job to get paid, and lose all rights to your work, too).

    All I can say is you have the National Writers Union in the States, and the Graphics Artists Union, both under the wing of the United Auto Workers. For film scripts and compboards or storyboards there is the Writers Guild of America. They do get you paid, flat fee or royalties, they do help you with contracts, and the bite for both NWU and GAG are around 200-300 bucks a year. It is 1100 a year or so for the WGA. They don’t take a percentage off the top for dues, it is just a flat fee.

    Fenbeagle, story boarding for the studios in the UK really pays well and you would be a leading master of it if you just shouldered your way into the fray there.

    The downside is they really push on deadlines, and you really, really have to be good all the time. Standards are terrifically high. They don’t tolerate leakers or drips. They ARE nationalistic, too, and defensive of keeping things American or UK in origin. Even the animated stuff subbed out to S. Korea has all its core animation and story boards done in the West. Offshore productivity is just too low, regardless of what you pay them. Ask any producer. The West has what it has because we are the best workers on the planet.

    Let me repeat that: the West has what it has because it has the best workers in the world. This applies to both productivity per unit work-hour and quality. The business graveyard is filled with US firms stupid enough to move their enterprises entirely to Asia or India or Latin America. You will not find one which is a major presence as once they were. All they have left if they still exist is their tradename or brand.

    Blackswan, it is not out of the question altogether that there might be a military coup one day, but to preserve not overthrow democracy, both in the USA and the UK, as well as France. I never thought of myself as nationalistic, just respectful of the arena of democracy in which various interests contend. I would fight to the death to stop what is now going on: the pulling down of the arena. Rightists in some quarters are as wackily destructive of the citadel of democracy as the Commie greentards are: the militia movement comes to mind. As if all I want to do to destroy my life is to take orders from a misanthropic drunken alcoholic divorced wife beater with a criminal record running a militia, right?

  283. There is also the Freelancers Union, which is sort of NYC-centric, but you can telecommute:

    All three listed have cattle call style gig boards, too. These are the organizations with which the big firms contract.

  284. It’s called the Graphics Artists Guild. Excuse me, please.

  285. Amanda says:

    Hi gang,

    I think Fenbeagle is correct in what he says about the Internet and artistry (of any kind) as profitable enterprise. It was hard enough to make a living, anyway. The only thing it’s better for is publicity (which is not nothing), but not every worthwhile artistic endeavour can milk the Internet that way.

    Looking at Crown’s ‘bellyrina’ vid, I was struck by a few things. (None of which will do permanent brain damage.) First, it’s really odd to see a male body doing what the moves I know and have only ever seen women doing (though I knew that male belly dancers existed). Obviously, since he has better muscle control and more muscle to control than most women do, his moves seem exaggerated, particularly his belly rolls. What’s missing from his snakiness is a certain sensuality and smoothness of movement, which most women belly dancers have (though the so-called American Tribal or Tribal Fusion dancers go out of their way to move more on one axis, in small circles, with smaller, jerkier movements, and with high arms and bitty hand movements that I think are rather precious and lose some of the spirit of belly dance). Most of you probably have no idea what I’m talking about, but if you look at vids of ‘Egyptian cabaret’ type dancers and compare them with ‘Tribal’ dancers, you’ll see something of what I mean. (I think the Tribal types are ones that are too cool to be ‘regular’ dancers — they don’t want pastels and too much prettiness — and they like funkier, weirder music to go with it: basically they fancy themselves as sort of Goth punks that like to overdress while still baring flesh and show off. Most of them seem to have tattoos, as well.)

    Also, the guy in the vid (you didn’t know it would get this critique, did you Crown?) is highly choreographed. He knows every step he’s going to make, apparently — and if he doesn’t, and he’s improvising, he’s even better than he seems. But again, it comes across as highly practised (it’s not easy to keep that much choreography, that many isolations and layerings, perfectly memorized) rather than inspired. I like to have a lot of spontaneity when I dance — but then I never dance in public. I dance for expression and the music is therefore very important to me: whereas I would not call his performance expressive of anything. It’s more like gymnastic competence than real artistry. I can’t do what he does (at least not as well, in some things) but then on the other hand he can’t do what I do, either. Also I would have to add that not having boobs to push out, his chest slides etc. are a bit underwhelming!

    One thing that held me back (is anyone still reading or is this a total bore?) from being interested in this form of dance initially was that I didn’t really care for the music. If it’s more than drums, it can be cheesy and uninspiring to me as a Westerner. If it’s just drums, it lacks flavour and interest. So mostly I dance to highly atypical music, usually with Eastern instruments or rhythms but mainly not ‘authentic’. But again, I only dance in private so no one can complain!

  286. Here’s a spotlight article on a leading member of the GAG.

    I include myself in the following condemnation:

    Half your job is knowing how to do business as an independent worker according to the rules of the game. You owe it to any employer to pre-screen them for how they truly do business. 99 times out of 100 it is entirely one’s own fault if one gets ripped off, as most employers provide clear signals as to how they make their rent.

  287. Good grief, I have made some horrible mistakes, many for which I am still paying. It pays to shop your marketplace, people!

  288. Amanda says:

    P. S. I also get a whiff of feminism coming from the Tribal dancers: there’s a kind of stiff-necked ‘I’m here to please myself, not men with their tongues hanging out’. They don’t smile like classic belly dancers do, they don’t like to be seen enjoying themselves too much. Odd* because the center of this style is sunny and loose California.

    *Perhaps not so odd. They’re probably into the serious business of regarding their body as a temple, eating tofu, doing yoga etc. (not that there’s anything wrong with yoga); and to the extent that they are Lefties, we all know about the famous Lefty sense of humour….

  289. Amanda says:

    Graphics and Text Bear: Are you still quaffing whisky of a Sunday morning/noon, Bear?

  290. Amanda says:

    Ozboy: Do check your e-mail, won’t you? Or your Donate function. One or the other.

  291. Amanda says:

    Further P. S. It’s probably not the case that he has better muscle control — professional dancers all have it, vastly more than I do of course — but rather that he has much less fat, and thus it’s easier to see what his muscles are doing. Which is not necessarily a good thing.

  292. Pointman says:

    This one is for the Shed Man, may he survive his visitor from the aul sod …


  293. Pointman,

    The comments are the best part of that link to the Dubliners LOL! Good stuff aye.

    Hi, Amanda! Not on my budget. I can afford the booze, I kinna afford the medical help associated with it. Ergh.

  294. Fenbeagle,

    I might have a compboard / animatic job for you come March 2011. The film has grown legs. If the budget happens as planned and you want the work, this job will get you into the GAG and at the rates shown in their cost estimating handbook.

    My coordinates I believe OzBoy has or you can reach me via clicking on my site link next to the bear.

  295. fenbeagle says:

    Fen Bear
    I’ll contact you through Ozboy.
    Thank you

  296. Pointman says:

    The comments at the 10:10 site couldn’t be more scathing. They’ve managed to alienate the undecided and more than several of their corporate sponsors. Well done 10:10 …


  297. Amerloque says:

    Hi All !

    A poster named “scousebilly” over at the DT on JD’s latest thread has posted the messafe below in the event that the 10-10 eco-terrorists decide to pull the list of sponsors from their site.

    It’s probably a good idea to post it here, too. (grin)

    x x x x x x x x x x
    Just in case they are smart enough (unlikely) to pull the link, here are the details:

    Eaga is the UK’s largest supplier of heating and renewable energy and is at the forefront of the low-carbon economy

    O2 is the UK’s leading provider of mobile phones, broadband and SIMs. O2 is partnering with 10:10 as part of its Think Big initiative and will be selling 10:10 Tags in its shops across the UK

    Sony is one of the world’s leading digital entertainment brands, with household names such as VAIO™, Cyber-Shot™, BRAVIA™ and Walkman®. Sony is sponsoring 10:10 to support its staff’s efforts to go even further on carbon reduction

    The Ashden Trust

    Ashden Trust website: We have made impressive savings to the energy we use at our office already, but look forward to going further still to meet our 10:10 commitment. For us this will probably involve more cycling and walking, and more video conferencing. (they forgot to mention child murder).

    Esmée Fairbairn Foundation

    Wates Foundation

    The GD Charitable Trust

    Jam Today (…Blood Tomorrow?)

    The Funding NetworkThe Funding Network website


    (Blank – luckily for them)


    Media partners

    The Guardian

    National Magazine Company

    Delivery partners

    Leading over 1,000 schools on the way to 10%

    (Michael Gove – you better take a look at the above !!)

    Campaign for greener healthcare
    Indefatigable decarbonisers of care, and coordinators of the 10:10 Health programme (Bloody hell – it’s eugenics you wankers)

    Carbon Trust
    The last word in organisational carbon reduction
    (We noticed and called it the Final Solution)

    Degrees Cooler
    Supporting 10:10 universities and colleges

    Energy Saving Trust
    Purveyors of peerless carbon-cutting advice for individuals and families (Comply or Die?)

    The Great British Refurb
    Helping you live in a low-energy home that’s more comfortable, cheaper to run, and massively reduces your carbon emissions

    Green TV
    The broadband channel for environmental films

    Olswang LLP
    Keeping us out of jail, free
    (Captain Sherlock warned us about this bunch of cr**ks, er “lawyers”)

    People and Planet
    Keeping 10:10 students ticking over (tick tock tock tock BOOM)

    Public Interest Research Centre
    Climate policy superheroes whose work inspired our 10% target and the Lighter Later campaign (modest eh?)

    The email marketing geniuses powering our supporter mailouts
    (Yeah, that constitutes a genius – fuck science) ///
    x x x x x x x x x

    Amerloque 20101003 20h30 Paris time (CET)

  298. Amerloque says:


    Climate change promo bombs
    • From: The Australian
    • October 04, 2010 12:00AM
    • CAMPAIGNERS have denied staging a stunt after withdrawing a film depicting the bombing of people who show ambivalence towards climate change.
    • Filmmaker Richard Curtis, whose credits include Love Actually, Four Weddings and a Funeral and the Blackadder television series, wrote the script for No Pressure, a four-minute film that garnered little publicity when it first appeared on the internet last week as part of the 10:10 campaign that encourages people to cut their carbon footprint by 10 per cent.
    • But some expressed outrage to Britain’s Guardian newspaper, which backed 10:10, over scenes in which a teacher asks students to join the campaign.
    • The teacher assures two students who are reluctant to join the effort that they are under “no pressure” before hitting a button that detonates the pair, spraying blood and gore over classmates.
    • A similarly doubtful retired footballer, David Ginola, is blown up by a group including England players Peter Crouch and Ledley King. Hollywood actress Gillian Anderson is exterminated after saying her voiceover for the film would be her sole contribution to the campaign. With a Radiohead tune playing in the background, three office workers also join the casualty list.
    • One comment to the Guardian read: “To suggest that people who disagree with you deserve to die is incredibly stupid. Imagine if some Christian group in the US did that to gays, Muslims or anyone else they disagree with. The outrage would be palpable. And deserved.”
    • Publicity for the film — and the campaign — exploded when it was pulled following complaints from charity groups that had backed 10:10.
    • A 10:10 spokesman denied the film’s withdrawal was orchestrated as part of a publicity stunt, London’s Telegraph reported.
    • A statement from the organisation said: “With climate change becoming increasingly threatening, and decreasingly talked about in the media, we wanted to find a way to bring this critical issue back into the headlines whilst making people laugh.
    • “Many people found the resulting film extremely funny, but unfortunately some didn’t and we sincerely apologise to anybody we have offended.
    • “At 10:10 we’re all about trying new and creative ways of getting people to take action on climate change. Unfortunately, in this instance, we missed the mark. Oh, well, we live and learn.”
    • ///

  299. Fenbeagle:

    Don’t mention it, it’s my pleasure. Wish I had dug into the standard operating procedure for marketing my services and getting paid 40 years ago. Better late than never.

    7 October I am heading back to Charlottesville, VA, after 6 years to round up some qualified investors to cover costs for the teaser, animatic and compboard.


    Let’s see how damage control is conducted by the greentards. I think they are completely screwed now, this time for good. The BUF did the same thing to themselves back in the day. The truth always outs.

  300. Pointman says:

    The comments at 10:10 get better and better. From the MD of a business that unwisely made a financial contribution to the Luvvies. Let’s hope a lot more of the corporate donors hear about the video.

    “Our corporate accountants alerted me this evening to the existance of this video and to remind me that we had made a financial contribution to the 10:10 campaign. Having viewed it, I find it personally repulsive in the extreme. You have had the last donation you will ever get from our business or any business with which I have any influence. What could you have been thinking?”


  301. fenbeagle says:

    That comment is possibly a spoof. (But Its probably not off target.)

    …When you said to me a little while ago that ‘Greens don’t do humour’
    I wasn’t expecting you to be proved so spectacularly correct!!!

  302. orkneylad says:

    intellectual property:

    I work for -primarily- global corporates & design agencies.
    I retain artistic copyright on all created works, what clients actually buy is a ‘sole user commercial license’ for each said work….at that point [once they’ve paid] they are free to use in any commercial way they wish.
    If you’re posting works onto the internet, do make sure you have a copyright notice somewhere on the image….if not, you will have a very weak legal position if the said works get disseminated across the net….imagine it’s like leaving your car unlocked & trying to get insurance to pay out once it gets nicked.


  303. Pointman says:

    fenbeagle says:
    October 4, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Saving people from themselves because you know better is a grim business. If you really want to find out how ‘free’ the country you’re visiting is, don’t make a criticism of its government. Make a joke about it instead and and see how long the silence lasts. Extremists of either wing don’t do humour and that’s why they suppress it brutally. People who laugh aren’t afraid, therefore they’re potential enemies. Wer ist nicht mit uns… as the Nazis used to say. Whoever isn’t with us …


  304. Here’s a post by Rifleman from the DT if you would wish to write e-mails to sponsoring firms of this unspeakable travesty of the film-making arts:

    51 seconds ago
    Just to give them a bit of a shove ‘upwards and onwards’, this info might be useful. (I’ve also included the e-mail press office addresses of four commercial sponsors, as posted by Seph on one of JD’s earlier blogs on this topic, in case anybody missed Seph’s post)


    The 10:10 Campaign is sponsored by:

    O2 – E-mail:
    Kyocera – E-mail:
    EAGA – E-mail:
    Sony – E-mail:


    Chataway House, Leach Road, Chard, Somerset A20 1FR

    Tel: +44 (0)1460 238 000

    ask for Dawn Wyatt (complaints co-ordinator). Open from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday, and out of hours you can leave a message on our answerphone.


    The Carbon Trust

    Telephone: 0800 085 2005 Opening hours: 8.30am-5.30pm, Monday to Friday.

    Write to us at:
    The Carbon Trust, Customer Centre, PO Box 89, Witney OX29 4WB

    E-mail contact form at:

    The Energy Saving Trust.

    Haven’t found their postal address, but a general e-mail contact form is at this page:

    But you might find it more effective to go straight to their marketing division. This is the branch which deals direct with manufacturers, to get them to sign up to the Energy Saving Trust’s principles (there’s a sick joke!) and use the Energy Saving Trust’s logo on their products.

    A final thought; I’m going to make clear on each of the e-mails to all the organisations concerned that I have contacted all the others, too. Just to make the point that, even if I can’t stop the government funding this destructive propaganda with my taxes, I can certainly bring commercial pressure to bear on the commercial companies, by refusing to buy or use their products and services.

    Never mind their ‘principles’; hit them in the profits!


  305. Pointman says:

    Since I played some Irish music earlier, I might as well continue in the same vein. After what Freud said about the Irish, I suppose a corollary would be that only they had their reasons for coming up with an improbable contraption like the Eillean pipes.

    It’s probably a good time for its notes to drift across the valley, over the Lethe and into the trees. I hear a certain Judeo-Christian bear thrashing about in the treeline and he don’t sound best pleased. As if the Squirrels weren’t a trial enough. Why me Lord, why me …?


  306. Amanda I chose the bellyrina because it was the antithesis of what Walt had in mind and I never knew they existed. Also who thought male belly dancing was a good idea they clearly batted for the wrong team.

  307. When the greentards take their final fall into a well-deserved oblivion of their own making, we’ll be doin’ it lahk the REAL Les Grossman (Tom Cruise) and J-Lo Warrior Empress-God of the Universe at the MTV Awards: Pa-lay-ah!

  308. Shall I better say “Goddess?” You bet.

  309. She never uses auto-tuning vocoders either, anymore than does La Christina.

  310. Pointman says:

    Walt, that Grossman guy has got some moves. Oh yeah.


  311. Great comic idea, isn’t it? I don’t care if Tom Cruise believes in flying saucers. He works hard. I really think he missed his metier as a comedian from having seen “Tropic Thunder” and this routine.

    Hope he didn’t hurt himself doing the splits like that LOL! That move alone would have put me in the hospital.

  312. Amanda says:

    Crown: Yes, I know, we weren’t supposed to take it ‘seriously’. But I do have a somewhat open mind. The man was giving a performance, I watched some of it, and I couldn’t help evaluating it. I noticed that in the comments section there were several references to the sparkles all over his torso, which some people found distracting. (‘Why has he got tinsel in his underarm hair?’ etc.) But women dancers have all kinds of ornaments — fringed bustiers and swags, beaded belts, dangling ‘coins’, bells, bindis (fake jewels you can temporarily glue to your body); headdresses, chokers, slave bracelets, arm bands, belly button jewels, you get the picture. Some of them (especially the ‘Tribal’ dancers) are fairly dripping in jewellery. Well, as a chap he’d look pretty silly with all that. So he went for an oily sparkly look to compensate. I bet he has no trouble getting dates. Not my cup of tea, though.

  313. Ozboy says:

    G’day all,

    New post here


  314. Amanda says:

    P. S. before I drop the subject: No, I don’t dress in full bellyrina bling unless someone special is watching. Which, alas, is almost never. However, it *is* worth wearing a hip belt or combination of belts and the rest of the get-up for the simple reason that you dance differently with the extra weight, and you can feel the moves better when blinged up. All right, Crown? Just keep that in mind when you decide to give it a go! :^)

  315. This video is for Msher. The Terminator in the Greatest Action Story Ever Told: Arnie is handling the energy situation in California with same mindset, IMHO. What Party is he with now? I forget.

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