How Can You Not Laugh?

Splattergate! I’ve seen the film once, and not really had the stomach for a second viewing. But the Richard Curtis-directed short promo on behalf of the 10:10 movement is turning out to be one of marketing’s all-time disaster stories.

On a more serious level, I think it exposes some of the darker side of the environmental activist movement. Not all its adherents, to be sure, but enough of those in power to make many members of the public, who as yet haven’t given the issue much thought, distinctly uneasy.

As a campaign to win hearts and minds, it could well have been written by our God-Emperor himself. Wouldn’t you say?

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345 Responses to How Can You Not Laugh?

  1. Amanda says:

    Well, I’m not laughing, Ozboy.

    If it nudges some fence-sitters into reality, I suppose that’s good. Shame it takes something as vile as this to do it, though.

    But then, tens of millions of people voted for Obama. Perspicacity is not always a notable feature of humankind, especially concerning the political. And as we all know, AGW is nothing if not political.

  2. Amanda per your last comment I have all the dancing ability of a brick it seems to be related to being British.

  3. I think the public eventually would have sorted out the greentards for what they are. Most of those I know who are greenies-by-association in renewable energy departments with the utilities and in contracting have private reservations about with whom they are affiliating.

    Methinks they will be revising their Rolodexes shortly.

  4. Yes, I know people who still have Rolodexes LOL!

  5. What Mr. Curtis presumed greentards would find funny exceeds in black carnality anything Brecht or Kokoschka dreamed up for the stage.

  6. The one good thing about all of the splattergate film is that it seems to have brought out lots of new people to the blogs whom would normally lurk. Nothing like a video created with extreme black humour to upset people and get the blood flowing. It achieved it’s goal of getting people talking about AGW and carbon footprints alright but not in the way the sponsors of the movie intended, quite the opposite.
    I am falling into the camp that feels Curtis did this intentionally, eventually the fuss will die down and if anything will work wonders for his career. Nothing like being controversial and edgy to get yourself adored by the luvvies.

  7. Jaded, I think is the term. Fall-of-Rome Caligula disorder syndrome is what they suffer from, The Empire of Greentardedness being the new Rome LOL.

  8. Nice job of doing in his clients, is what Mr. Curtis did.

  9. msher says:

    Somewhere there is a version of this changed to be a jihadist teacher blowing up students who don’t believe in Allah. It is really good. One of the posts on one of James’ threads had the link. Does anyone have the link? It is worth watching.

  10. Les Grossman Bear yes he did do his clients in but as for his career it’s on the up as he has worldwide recognition now.

  11. msher says:
    October 4, 2010 at 9:05 am

    It’s on the previous blog, msher.

  12. Agreed, Crownarmourer, if his clients don’t retaliate.

  13. Les Grossman Bear well they signed off on it so not a lot they can do if he pleads ignorance and the fact that most people can not see the emperors new clothes made of the finest of materials.

  14. I think they might take a poke at Mr. Curtis, but he appears to be a hard guy. He has lots of friends harder than the greentards or he wouldn’t have lasted a year in showbiz.

  15. That excellent and underappreciated film “The Hit” with John Hurt might be instructive in explaining to all how such tit for tat works. The film also boasted Jose Ferrer’s last role, as the pursuing detective: a great performance, too.

  16. I liked that film because it took the p**s out of all the glamour associated with James Bond types of killers without being a liberal wah-wah weeping bunny anti-epic.

  17. I think what Curtis has achieved is a work of inspired genius the ultimate parody of the Green movement and just how far some of them wish to go. It goes into a very dark world of warped and twisted humour not many people can pull that off and not be burned at the stake.

  18. I would have liked Bambi a lot more if he grew up to sprout a 24-point rack then gored the hunter that shot his mum. THAT would have been a real movie.

  19. it would be fun to open an Alternative Endings Studio, remaking the last 30 minutes of so of lots of old standards. Like maybe ET dragging the kids into the flying saucer that rescues him, then eating them.

  20. Great way to recycle films for re-release, too.

  21. Or maybe a remake of “Greatest Story Ever Told:” Jesus comes out of the tomb looking like the Terminator, smiles evilly, and as he is heading for Pontius Pilate’s villa, he says to Himself: “And now it’s MY turn. Bwahahahahaha!”

  22. Les Grossman Bear being a gray he would end up probing them, everyone including aliens have their hobbies.

  23. Or “Ten Commandments” with the Egyptian Army chasing the Jews across the Red Sea on surf boards.

  24. Les Grossman Bear I would change the Steve McQueen bit in the Great Escape to where he runs out of gas while trying to get to Switzerland.
    I would also change Braveheart to change the french princess to her real age which was 8, making Wallace really really creepy.

  25. Blackswan says:

    G’day Oz,

    Q: How Can You Not Laugh?
    A: When something isn’t funny.

    From my perspective, this bit of propaganda isn’t about blowing people up.
    It’s a subliminal, if graphic, demonstration about recalcitrant individuals being “eliminated”.

    Eliminated from your workplace – your job.
    Eliminated from your sporting team – even footy heroes aren’t exempt.
    Eliminated from your classroom – from having an education.

    Even the studio voice-over actress – it’s not enough to pay “lip-service” to the Cause.

    It’s about individualism and independent thought in a necessarily (for the Cause) group-think society.

    It’s about Comply or the-world-as-you-know-it will change forever – you will be eliminated, marginalized, ostracized – and it’s all for the Greater Good – of the planet, of society, of future generations.

    Funny? I don’t think so.

    OK, so it’s been “withdrawn” and people have been quick to say it was “over the top” – all that fake blood & guts – but the Message has been delivered.

    Backfired on the Warmists? I don’t think so.

    The Message has been delivered – and THAT is the bottom line.

  26. Blackswan says:

    Good morning Bruin

    Thought you might be interested in this one.

    “A researcher who has found strong evidence that autism is caused by mercury poisoning has been refused access to data that could point to emissions from coal-fired power stations.”

    As the Greens’ Carbon justification for closing down the Coal Industry wanes, trust someone to come up with an alternative.

    Just how bad ARE the levels of mercury emitted from these plants?

  27. Blackswan says:
    October 4, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Below negligible. Not as high as in the latex paint developed to replace lead based paints. Not as high as in the plastic venetian blinds in your house which emit mercury as they age and erode in the sun. Not as high as in your existing water supply and you drink that. The recycled plastic making up your laptop housing or monitor or keyboard has a higher content. Chinese and India stainless steel cutlery has a much higher content of mercury and you put that in your mouth.

    But that is not what you asked. I will be right back with some tech papers.

    In those days, Crownarmourer, I would wager William Wallace’s French princess had carbuncles and zits the size of basketballs and a level of hygiene congruent with that of her subjects.

  28. Blackswan you would not believe what you find in coal, it tends to have a lot of heavy metals and radioactive elements. I think these days the scrubbers remove most of it leaving the chimneys.
    As for autism it is heavily concentrated in Silicon Valley in California not exactly coal plant central.

  29. According to the EPA Boiler MACT Handbook, the bible for emissions controls for manufacturers and the enforcement folks alike in respect to coal fired AND other solid fuel boilers, the rule is for large power boilers now is 0.000003 ppm Hg for new units, for older installed units 0.000009 ppm.

    The biomass boiler community are bitching because the EPA is requiring, and with good reason, the wood and refuse and paper burning boilers be regulated to meet the same standards as coal fired units. Why? Please download this Excel spreadsheet on woodburning pollutants, especially the very last tab at the bottom to the right. Toluene, benzene, mercury, lead, and cadmium, all are higher than coal with woodburning than with coal.

    and the ultimate STFU book, the EPA’s very own coal combustion handbook for emissions enforcement people and coal plant owners alike:

    Click to access EPA-Coal-Handbook.pdf

    The biomass idiots at are full of so much biomass it is coming out their ears and arse LOL Liars and thieving pigs all.

    IMHO. I would love to make a Federal case of it.

  30. On the XLS sheet, you have to click on the tabs to the right on the bottom until ALLOTHERPOLLTS comes upwhich means, “All other pollutants” from burning wood. The stuff is more toxic than coal when you burn it.

    If the greentards sue EPA over imposing the same controls on biomass burners as on coal plants, they will lose. EPA inspectors are P.E.’s with shingles in REAL environmental engineering, and with omissions and errors insurance if they maintain a private practice as well. They climb up 200-400 foot stacks in hailstorms if they have to to find out if the emitter is taking advantage of bad weather. They are the true face of the EPA. The temporary Presidential appointed help are the arseholes who most of the time never have to face the consequences of their decisions, as they are out of sight with their pensions with regime change.

  31. What scares me to tears is these bioturds are building huge plants filled with rapidly decomposing biomass which needs continuous refrigeration if not used immediately, it will start to rot and grow anthrax or e. coli or staph bacteria by the tonne, and then we have a real disaster on our hands. They need to comply with FDA standards in their rotting dead plant life processing plants if they are effing around with biomass, and they don’t. Not one of them.

  32. Printed circuit card manufacture is the most highly toxic manufacturing process known to man, using some of the most biotoxic chemicals ever applied in an industrial process.

    Coal is so heavily processed prior to going to the end user the only thing that is missing is gift wrapping, or as the president of the American Coal Council commented, “Our big mistake was not to paint the coal pink.”

    Go to and take a stroll through its membership directory under “coal processing,” then go to a couple of sites. Coal providers have had to sort, clean, separate, process, and filter coal to a Federally enforced standard (continuously upgraded) since the 1910’s.

  33. Silicon Valley is where you should be able to find three-headed people. Give me a moment and I will find you the link to the EPA’s reports on PC board manufacture.

  34. Here is the breakdown on cadmium, mercury and lead in terms of EPA priorities for removal of same, along with 29 other chemicals it feels are of higher priority, as the ball got rolling on cadmium, lead and mercury decades ago. More than half of the other chemicals listed are associated with electronic manufacture, but including lead and mercury, which are huge components of plastics used in computer housing and PC board manufacture.

  35. Sorry, Crownie, I got carried away. Let me nail some grub and I’ll be back :>)

  36. Boilerhouse Bear the high autism rate in silicon valley is due to the fact that mummy and daddy are themselves on the spectrum or carry the genes. The usual trade off for genius are poor social skills although these be learned or compensated for. My favourite autistic person is Temple Grandin.

  37. Boilerhouse Bear it is no surprise that trees concentrate heavy elements after all coal is compacted biomass. Coal can often be found on beds of almost pure quartz, this purity is all down to the plants extracting everything from the soil except the quartz crystals.

  38. Pointman says:

    That video, to most ordinary human beings was utterly vile. You didn’t need an Oxbridge or Yale/Princetown education to see that because as a basic MK 1 human being, that’s quite simply what you felt. It was visceral. We looked at it and wondered what kind of mind could possibly think it was persuasive on any level, no matter how degenerate that mind was. Fair enough, they withdrew it within 24 hours – an honest mistake, unfucked perhaps.

    But no. Look at the apology. It isn’t one. All it’s saying is we acknowledge we missed the target but the undertone is actually very simple – we misjudged your buttons but we’ll get better next time. “Live and Learn”. They never will because at the end of the day, they think they know exactly how we should live our lives. In their heads, they actually think they live on some godlike more informed level but we poor wretches are too ignorant or stupid and therefore have to be ‘helped’ to see the light. They actually don’t see what the problem is, they still can’t see what the problem is and neither can their supporters. They’ve seriously offended the middle ground, ordinary human beings and that’s a difficult one to bounce back from. It’s up to us to spread their video as much as possible to ordinary people. That’s our duty.

    The lesson is, these people are fanatics and won’t be going away anytime soon. Keep posting folks because we’re the resistance. We’re it. You’re it. We’re winning but it ain’t over yet.


  39. Blackswan says:

    Holy Shamoly Batman Bruin…….

    Next time I take a poke at a cranky bear I’ll use a MUCH longer stick…lol

    Who knew? Arsenic and chloroform already? Next time I sit by an open fire I’ll wear a bloody gas mask. Sheesh.

    I now see what you mean by power plants being so highly regulated. Wet wood, dry wood, with bark, without bark – I’m getting a headache.

    Next time a lurking tree-hugger wants to wrap his arms around a giant forest hardwood he should think twice about getting that close to all that lethal crap.

    No wonder your clients love you Bruin – a Master of epic detail – leaving no pebble unturned to do your job. Ordinary folks and simple swans like me really are totally clueless in your world – I appreciate your efforts to smarten us up a bit.

    Sir, I thank you and salute you.

  40. Coal when it hits the power plant has proximate and ultimate chemical analyses done on it on a level that challenges the rational in terms of its thoroughness. Biomass as processed today is not subject to the same strictures. Mixed combustion is not subject to the same strictures either. That’s the whole point of the equal-treatment reg’s as proposed and that is what the biomass folks are fighting, hopefully to no avail.

    Agreed genes play a part, but toxic emissions of fluid waste as well as airborne from electronic manufacturing are far more lethal and more biomutating, as these are more complex molecules. The list given is of hugely more mutagenic chemicals than what is found in the air as a product of coal combustion in permitted power plants, refineries and industrial heaters. Unless you own your own mine, you can’t get your hands on unprocessed coal, nor would you want to.

  41. If these electronic manufacturing chemicals weren’t part of the mutagenic scene, the EPA wouldn’t be so hot to trot to stop the beggars from dumping and emitting the stuff.

  42. You’re welcome, Blackswan. Truth is, clients usually don’t ask me back, as I usually solve the REAL problem. It’s rarely the problem they hire me to solve, in practice. They always tell my next client that I did the job well, though.

    That’s another reason I work as a permatemp. When I hear the words “Corporate Kultur,” I reach for my gun! If I have to get hired through HR, I never make the cut, as they can see me coming a mile away LOL

  43. I’m not a workplace bully, but the “empire-building bullies” always find me. Same result LOL

  44. And I’m not even a licenced PE, I just work for them. You want to find qualified PE’s a know a lot of them who forgot more than I’ll ever know in this life. One man in the USA who knows more about mercury extraction from freshwater lake beds and other vectors using industrial cleanup processes than just about anyone else on the planet is Mark Ditch, PE, presently at Trane in Syracuse, NY.

  45. Blackswan says:

    Hi Pointman

    You’re right – there was no apology. Why should they? I still believe they would regard the exercise as Mission Accomplished on many levels.

    To me, it’s telling us just how dangerous (and desperate) they have become.

    Dangerous, not in the sense of blowing people up, but in the context of the depths to which they will sink to induce Compliance.
    Desperate, in the realisation that people like us and sites like LG simply won’t disappear.

    Have you noticed how little the “Science” of CAGW is even being mentioned now. Maybe because I was away so long the difference is so obvious to me. Two months ago the likes of izen’tit were still carping about “evidence”. Nary a syllable from any of them anywhere.

    Now it’s all about focus groups, Green-branding, Green-washing, Political compliance, Market saturation and Return on Investment – not for Energy consumers or Taxpayer subsidies – but the Banksters, Hucksters and Fraudsters, not to mention Walt’s pet peeve, the Pension Funds.

    Dangerous & Desperate makes for some very dirty deeds to come methinks.

  46. Blackswan, I think those who are going to cut the Ghordian knot are those in the insurance industry, but not the equitables rather the engineering insurance folks like DNV, Hartford Boiler Insurance Company (founded 1858), Factory Mutual, Commercial Union and Industrial Risk Insurers. They write standards as well as perform design approvals engineering functions and also act as private sector inspectors of plants.

    A win-win from day one would have been not for the greentards to push a “Smash Industry” agenda but rather to pursue the co-production and recyclable waste option. Everyone would make money, no one would give a sh*t about carbon trading because they would be too busy bourbon and lies trading LOL, and everyone would be working together and “getting along” like Jack Nicholson as the Prez in “Mars Attacks!”

    But that was never the point. Their point is to make personal freedom in anything a possibility without first going to the greentards for a permit obtainable only through weird sex, a dope deal and pledging allegiance to eugenics and genocide. Energy fraud and falsifying scientific evidence is but another tool to achieve this aim. When this fraud is terminated and the perps behind bars, the Reds will go back to the drawing board to dream up another scheme for overthrowing democracy and personal liberty.

    To quote them, the universal evolution of humanity toward the establishment of world socialism does not follow a blueprint.

  47. should be an impossibility instead of possibility :>p

  48. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Death to communists.

  49. It’s not so much a pet peeve, the pension funds. It is the tragedy of all these people who have worked their whole lives to pay for a decade or so in the sun before they croak doing what they want, and their pensions won’t be there, IMHO. Some multinational in Luxembourg or the Caymans will have absconded with their life’s dream.

  50. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 4, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Hi Swan, I think in the run up to Cancun, they were always going to ramp up the alarmism but 10:10 was their last best chance to do a bit of concencus overwhelming. There’s going to be a lot of MSM denial now but the reality is they’ve screwed it up abysmally by themselves. Big time.

    What’s left now? For the chic MSM, a quiet rerun of Copenhagen but even they know it’s a dead Polar bear. The smart non-desperate politicians won’t touch it wit a bargepole. Such is life – on to the next scary story which will probably be about the economy in your neighbourhood and for a couple of years to come. That one will run and run.

    For the true extreme believers, it’s open season on us. They’re going to kill people to save them. Such is life also.


  51. Locusts says:

    If everybody were to take this all seriously, and stop driving, eat locally produced foodstuffs, after going mostly vegan, read books borrowed from the library instead of watching TV, wear thermals instead of turn the heating on the powers that be, and many many industries, would have a serious problem on their hands. We would then enter a consumer demand crisis.

  52. Blackswan says:

    Hi Crown

    & Enforcer Bear

    You have both drawn our attention to the perils of Silicone Valley and the emissions of oxidizing household plastics and paints etc. Let me run this by you……..

    When I was a kid in the ’50s the only people we knew who were afflicted with cancer were the old folks, seniors, grannies and grandpas – how often did we hear “He had a good innings”?

    Today we have babies born with the affliction, support groups for teenagers, young adults, young parents – all dropping like flies. True, there are many more survivors today but there are many more for whom it pops up again and the whole survival struggle begins anew.

    In the same 60+ years we’ve had the rise of the food processing industry developed to extend food-miles, longer shelf-life – not for consumers to enjoy out-of-season produce, but to maximise industry profits. We’ve had the development of the plastics and electronics industries both, as you point out, with lethal side-effects on many levels. We have chemical additives to our water supplies and even recycled sewage that IS the water supply for many. We ingest, or are exposed to, such a vast chemical cocktail everyday that form unknown compounds that can only have unknowable effects.

    Walt, you mention “eugenics and genocide”. We’ve all heard the Greens advocating population reduction. Many think the danger is that the phony AGW theory will render humanity vulnerable to food shortages and lack of heating in colder climes.

    What if the fox is already in the henhouse? The dangers of all these heavy metals, electro-magnetic radiation and chemical contaminants is known, but we still use them all every day.

    We are told by Them that they are “Safe” and we believe them.

    We are told by Them that CAGW is a scientific Fact, but we don’t believe them.

    Why are we so selective in our scepticism?

    I think Eugenics is not just a mad theory from a bygone age of Elitists. I think it’s alive and well and a thriving industry in the Modern Age.

    As for me, I lurve my ciggies, I lurve my computer, all the modern amenities available to me. Fact is, I can remove any or all of them from my life. I GET TO CHOOSE. That’s what p*sses me off about the Greens who seek to dictate how I live, and who seek to confiscate my available funds with unjustifiable taxes.

    A pox on the lot of ’em – meanwhile it’s lunchtime. Hey – I get to choose what to eat! How good is that? Methinks these little liberties will become more precious as time goes on…

  53. Blackswan the trouble with plastics is that people do not cook anymore but use ready made meals and zap them in the microwave releasing lots of chemical goodies in to the food. The food contains additives that a person is not meant to consume.
    Teflon may be another source of carcinogens a God send to lazy washer uppers everywhere.
    Even tinned goods have plastic linings that also leach nasty stuff into the food.

  54. Food is also irradiated to extend shelf life.

  55. Blackswan says:

    Hi Pointman

    In the 19th century we had a famous bushranger/outlaw by the name of Ned Kelly, Australian-born of impoverished Irish farmers. He defied authority and made his “last stand” in a suit of body armour fashioned from ploughshares.

    He was captured, found guilty and Judge Barry said;

    “I hereby sentence you to death by hanging. May the Lord have mercy on your soul.” Ned Kelly replied in a clear, level voice: “Yes, I will meet you there.” Ned Kelly was hanged at the Melbourne Gaol on 11 November 1880. Redmond Barry died a fortnight later of a lung congestion (!).

    Ned’s last words as he dropped to his doom?

    “Such is life”.

    “They” think they have the upper hand Pointy, especially here where the Greens have done a deal with the Marxist/Socialist devils, but at the end of the day they’ll get their comeuppance.

    Such is life indeed.

  56. Pointman says:


    Ned, being of the Irish persuasion, was probably thinking “Tiocfaidh ár lá” as he dropped to perdition – Our day will come. Well, it’s here, so let’s give them a bloody good kicking!

    Seanchaí O’Pointman

  57. Blackswan says:


    I’ll second that.

    All those in favour?

    Say “Aye” – and bring your steel-capped Blundstones.

  58. Locusts says:

    Johnny Cash, Ned Kelly.

  59. Mick Jagger as Ned Kelly….

  60. Pointman says:

    The Sun goes down on Wallawoora and something for that last moment before you slip into dreamland or the dreamtime. Not as old as the dreamtime, merely medieval, but don’t click on it or you’ll not get it out of your head. Night.


  61. Blackswan says:

    Locusts says:
    October 4, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    The measures you describe are a way of life for many. They CHOOSE, for various reasons, to live that way. For many others they are austerity measures, foisted on them by those who, for a set of entirely different reasons, levy taxes on modern amenities in order to suppress demand.

    Freedom means getting to choose your own way of life.

    Locusts, I have to hand it to you. Where on earth did Johnny Cash and the ballad of Ned Kelly come from? Don’t you just love this Internet? I thought I’d heard all Cash’s songs but not that one. Thanks – it’s a doozie.

  62. msher says:


    “The smart non-desperate politicians won’t touch it wit a bargepole.”

    Politicians are still fight to keep in force California’s state global warming laws. This is bankrupt California, and the Dem pols want to tax everything carbon. The question is on the November ballot and the Dem pols aren’t shy about saying the effort to suspend these laws is the oil company’s effort to pollute the air.

    G’day Msher,

    As I understand it, the November 2 poll involves 36 of the 100 Senate seats and the entire House (plus a separate poll in January to fill the Massachusetts Senate seat vacated by the death of Edward Kennedy). In other words, the entire legislative program of the Obama administration will be forced to change if opinion polls are any guide, or else he faces gridlock. With, as we have read, many states already unable to pay its teachers, police officers and garbage collectors, what choice will he have? My knowledge of American civics runs out at that point. Could you or one of our U.S. posters educate us?


  63. Blackswan says:

    Goodnight O’Pointman.

    I can happily spend my afternoon with those harmonies buzzing about.

  64. Pointman a Steeleye span fan who’d a thunk it.
    Here is more monk type music for you.


  65. msher what will they do the cash generated will it go to fill the budget hole or more likely go to pet wasteful projects.

  66. Locusts says:


    Yes, I’m guilty of trying hard to do my bit as well. These people are all part of a continuum, the people who try hard to reduce their carbon footprints are merely at the moderate end of a spectrum that is also infested by that new troll Dyke In Boots, and that Discovery channel guy. Lots and lots of people all trying hard, and making sacrifices to help make the world a better place. The more moderate types may only be topping up their moral bank account:

    careful to all animals
    (never washing spiders down the plughole),
    keep in contact with old friends
    (enjoy a drink now and then),
    will frequently check credit at (moral) bank (hole in the wall),
    favors for favors,
    fond but not in love,
    charity standing orders,
    on Sundays ring road supermarket
    (no killing moths or putting boiling water on the ants),

    said/sang the formerly great Radiohead , who finished the song with its logical conclusion:

    healthier and more productive
    a pig in a cage on antibiotics.

    If it really is all a load of bull, and I’m still really hoping that some of it isn’t, a lot of people are going to be very very upset and angry. All that time, all that effort, all of that emotion wasted on a philosophy, and way of life that was a con. I found this old quote by Al Gore in a book I have:

    24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
    25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.
    26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
    27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.

    But it seems like the rock was the sand, and the sand was the rock. The Jobs of the world must be gnashing their teeth in anguish.

    And Johnny Cash? Google was my friend.

  67. Blackswan says:

    msher says:
    October 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Pointman’s quote is true – smart politicians know this will come back to bite them.

    Maybe it’s because they’re bankrupt that California is hell-bent on perpetuating the Lie. They need the money to shore up the coffers and can’t admit their own mismanagement and incompetence.

    I know that is the case with the Labor Socialist/Marxists here. They can’t change their own activities midstream – too many favours owed, too many deals done, too many in-the-know to be placated and kept quiet, too much exposure and scandal for the MSM to ignore and suppress – the whole charade is a tinderbox just waiting for that spark of ignition.

    All they can do is tough-it-out and keep lying.

    When you’re a politician you don’t have to answer any question at all – simply ignore that it’s been asked and see it as an opportunity to restate your Party’s mantra. It’s been working for them for a long time now.

  68. msher says:


    My interpretation of November is somewhat different. First, I don’t think the conservatives will take the Senate. Remember, some Republicans are RINO’s and would vote for something like cap and trade. Also, if there is a tie between parties in the Senate, the VP – Biden becomes the tie-breaking vote. Second, Obama can accomplish a number of things by executive order and bypass Congress. Legislative gridlock doesn’t tie his hands. For example, when cap and trade stalled in the Senate, Obama simply told the EPA to impose carbon emissions caps. That is being litigated now. (I think there’s a chance the courts might say this is a political issue for Congress to decide, and refuse to rule.) Another example is the Copenhagen “Accord.” They called it an “accord,” rather than treaty, so it wouldn’t need Senate ratification.

    There is something that bothers me very much about what is happening. This Administration and this Congress is acting as if they don’t care what happens to their re-election. That concerns me. Do they really not care, or do they have plans as to how to win in 2012? 3 possibilities on that: 1) They have unspent stimulus money which isn’t slated to be spent until 2012. Will it be spent on projects to get votes? 2) Vote fraud. Is it going to be bigger than ever? and 3) For the first time ever the census is being run out of the White House. Why? What this paragraph is saying is, yes, the Dems are going to lose the House in November, but they may be willing to have two relatively unproductive years because they have something planned for 2012 to take everything back. And the first paragraph said that “legislative gridlock” may not stop Obama from implementing lots of things anyway.

    Was that intelligible, or do you want me to write it in different words or explain more?



    California will use any money it gets to pay public employees if Jerry Brown wins.

    Thanks Msher. There are swings and roundabouts to this, but your U.S. structure of government concentrates enormous power into the hands of one person, compared to our Westminster system in which the Prime Minister retains office only as long as he has the support of his/her parliamentary colleagues (witness the beheading of Kevin Rudd last June).

    You’ve raised some very big issues in this comment, and I’m not really qualified to talk about them. But I may open a thread dedicated to this if you’re all interested in discussing it – Oz

  69. msher says:


    “When you’re a politician you don’t have to answer any question at all – simply ignore that it’s been asked “

    Much of the electorate isn’t asking questions. They think this is somehow the fault of the corporations or the rich. But there is hope: in a supposedly rock solid Dem state, the tea parties are polling surprisingly well.

  70. msher if the Dems can rig a victory in 2012 against the wishes of the people it may literally come down to secession of a large number of states from the USA and civil war.
    This is the worse case scenario but not out of the realm of possibility’s patience will run out at some point. If it is civil war the Dems will suddenly lose their anti war bias, I’m not sure the military would follow them though.

  71. Locusts says:

    Some lovely pictures of Polar Bears. They don’t blend in to their surroundings very well.

  72. Blackswan says:

    Sorry Locusts, your link didn’t work for me.

    All those things you listed are about being a kind and thoughtful person who wishes no harm to anyone.

    That isn’t what this CAGW caper is all about. It’s about manipulation and control of society and MONEY.

    As for Al Gore……… what a perfect example of the scared-little-guy, terrified that his impotence and incompetence will be discovered. A lecherous, amoral creep who had so little control over his own personal environment that he saw being thrown out and divorced by his wife as a “liberating experience”. Now he can play the heavy metal music he likes. Talk about being pussy-whipped.

    The “rock” he espoused turned out to be papier mache, an illusion and deception of his own making, that simply melted in an incoming tide of accountability.

    When people equate money and tawdry prize-giving as a mark of a successful life, they are doomed to be miserable. Such is life, as Ned would say.

  73. msher says:


    I forgot to write one more thing. You have it wrong about the federal government not being able to pay employees. It is possible that a budget gridlock with a conservative Republican Congress could shut the government down due to failure to agree on a budget. But assuming a budget is agreed on, the federal government CAN PRINT MONEY. It won’t run out of money. It will be able to pay government employees. (One guess about the Obama Administration is that it is trying to create inflation so as to pay debt with worthless dollars.) It is states which have no power to print money which will be unable to pay their employees and vendors.

  74. Blackswan says:

    Locusts says:
    October 4, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Thanks for the link on the bears – terrific shots (Camera shots of course, sorry bears).

  75. Locusts says:


    I probably should have tried harder to link the song lyrics to my first paragraph. I’ll try a bit harder to make myself clear next time.

  76. meltemian says:

    Morning All.
    I’m just grabbing a few minutes between visitors. We’ve had our son and daughter staying for the last 10 days. Son with wife and our twin grandsons and daughter with partner. Been a bit busy so have only been able to make quick sorties on the laptop. Next visitors arrive this afternoon and are staying until next week-end. After that it’s back to normal – just me and Mr. M. Love the summer season and seeing lots of friends but I’m looking forward to a bit of peace and quiet.
    I’ve been trying to catch up with all the posts but every time I do it’s time for bed and you lot all wake up and start off again!! Being 7 hours behind means I’m too late for all the action!
    Short catch-up on this and the previous thread:-
    I hate okra – both slimy and prickly.
    We do wild asparagus here, it’s very thin and a bit bitter but OK. I pick it in the spring along with the wild greens (horta) although I’m always a bit wary about which greens to pick – I’m still learning. Haven’t poisoned ourselves yet.
    We’ve got a spider with red spots here – must find out if it’s dangerous.
    We have a lot of snakes here but only a couple of them are dangerous. Apparently if you are bitten you have to catch the snake and take it to the hospital with you so they know what to give you – can you imagine it?? Don’t think I’d have the presence of mind to catch the bugger. Fortunately the only snake bites have been to the cats (we’ve got three) and one has been bitten twice. None of them has been poisonous though – mind you the vet bills aren’t funny.
    Swanny (glad you’re back) have you got my swallows? Ours left about four weeks ago. I expect they’ve gone to Africa but you never know… I miss them diving over the pool taking a drink.
    Bear – Is burning wood really so dodgy? We burn olive wood all winter as that’s all we have. Not much other wood available on the island and the trees get pruned each winter so it gets stored for burning the following year.
    Amanda – Thanks for the reminder about the “Donate” tab. I’ll do it now.
    That was a long post for me, I’ve been lurking behind the thread for so long I’m really looking forward to getting back to normal.
    Ah well – off to change the beds and clean-up AGAIN!

  77. Locusts says:

    Victorian self help book:

    Never complain that your husband pores too much over the newspaper. Don’t hide the paper; take it in pleasantly and lay it down before him. Think what man would be without a newspaper; treat it as a great agent in the work of civilisation.
    When your husband is absent, instead of looking into shop windows, look over that paper; and at tea-time, when your husband again takes it up, say: ‘my dear, what an awful state of things there seems to be in India’ or ‘what a terrible calamity at the Glasgow theatre’ or ‘Trade appears to be flourishing in the north!’ and down will go the paper. If he has not read the information, he will hear it all from your lips, and when you have done, he will ask: ‘did you, my dear, read Simpson’s letter upon the discovery of chloroform?’ And whether you did or not, you will gradually get into as cosy a chat as you ever enjoyed.

    Which I suppose, when brought to the modern age would be, “did you see what a wretch Fabian Solutions was being on the DT environment blog earlier today?”

  78. Blackswan says:

    meltemian says:
    October 4, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Hello – Glad to see you too.

    Being such a fine and charming hostess is making your hospitality way too inviting and making way too much work for yourself Mel – family excepted of course. Try being a stingy grouch and you’ll suddenly free your schedule up no-end…LOL – works for me.

    I read somewhere our swallows fly south from Japan or Siberia, I think. Across all that water for such tiny creatures – epic travellers. You are never in doubt about which Tasmanian snakes are venomous – they all are. It helps to know these things – get bitten = get help. Simple really.

    Enjoy your in-bound friends, I’m sure you (and they) will have a great time – we’ll see you later.

  79. Blackswan says:

    I am livid. I’m fuming. I’m furious (and pretty cranky as well).

    Being away during our recent post-election period, I’m not aware of how closely the patrons of the Bar & Grill followed the machinations of our hung Parliament results.

    However, during that time my only sources of information were the MSM TV News reports and the Canberra Times newspaper in our National Capital.

    Tonight I just watched an ABC TV “Four Corners” Report that followed the deliberations of the three newly elected rural Independent Members who held the balance of power with the two major parties deadlocked on equal numbers.

    It transpires that these Three Amigos (as they were dubbed) received purported “independent” advice on issues of key major issues of critical importance to their rural Constituents.

    On Climate Change and AGW they were advised by……wait for it…….. Lord Stern!!!!
    He slithered into their offices and uttered such profound observations as “You’re lucky, you have so much land and sunshine here”. The other “adviser” was Ross Garnaut, the Economist commissioned by Kevin Rudd to be the architect of Labor’s Climate Change policies.

    These two Economists on Climate Funding were key figures in determining who is governing this country.

    Stern, that intellectual giant whose pronouncement: “Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world’s resources. A vegetarian diet is better.” Did these newly elected Numpties representing the Australian Sheep and Cattle Industry know THAT?

    According to the Sydney Morning herald, “KEVIN RUDD’S former climate change adviser, Ross Garnaut, has urged the Government to put behind it the ”fiasco” of Copenhagen and to forge ahead with a scheme to reduce greenhouse gases, even if that means turning its emissions trading scheme into a de facto carbon tax.”

    This while Gizzard was adamant that there would be NO CARBON TAX in the life of this Parliament, saying so twice in the days BEFORE the election.

    Where was the balance, the fairness, of those fools seeking advice from BOTH sides of the CAGW argument? Where was there a contrary point of view? Where were Professors Plimer or Carter in the equation and if we HAD to have advice from some Lordship from London, what about Lord Monckton?

    One Independent, Bob Katter, who despises the Greens and everything they stand for, went with Tony Abbott – the other two fools went with the Labor/Green Coalition and delivered power and Government into the hands of Gizzard, who now has decided that Yes, they will indeed set a price on Carbon and all bets are off.

    Idiot Bastards, Liars and Frauds, one and all.

  80. manonthemoor says:

    Today the topical key word is FILM

    It is often said a picture is worth a thousand words, how many words then is a film worth?

    My film words

    Film star, Film Producer, Film editor, Film financier, Film distributor, Film set, Film studio, Black and White film, Colour film, Silent film and Talkies film.

    Plus of course these:- Cling film, Thin film (circuit), Thick film (circuit), Film deposit (microchip), Greasy film (roads) and Magnetic film (cassette and video tape).

    It is now 100 years or so since the first silent films, Laural and Hardy or Keystone Cops for instance or impossible romances, creaky dated silent black and white films before they were superseded by talkies, soggy romances or cowboy films where the villain always wore a black hat and the hero a white one.

    Before WWII we started on colour films and I well remember the Saturday morning pictures for children in the late 1940’s a whole mornings entertainment for 6d, not forgetting the cinema organ that came up through the floor during the interval whilst they reloaded the film reels.

    The coming of television however was a game changer for the film industry which has slowly declined to a limited number of multiscreen monstrosities.

    We live in a new world now with dvd’s, hd video recorders, camera phones and of course Youtube and the internet.

    Back to my question — How many words is a film worth?

    The answer in the case of 10: 10 is probably way beyond 100,000 now and growing by the minute. An own goal for AGW and in particular like removing a cataract the scales have been removed from the eyes of the sponsors of 10: 10 as well as the public. If as seems likely the sponsors take fright then there could be knock on effect across a much wider tranche of other AGW sponsorship now that the true vile intentions of the AGW brigade are plain to see. A million words is possible even ten million!!!
    It is just possible that Huhne will lose his battle with the treasury for survival now that the public are aware of the intended depth of ongoing propaganda intended for their children. Money does not grow on trees and the cost of supporting AGW is unacceptable, could we now have a watershed where AGW is recognised as a hate campaign against humanity, no more acceptable than racism or terrorism?

    AGW has shot itself in the foot
    AGW is a moral evil
    AGW is a financial evil
    AGW is TOAST

    Now is not the time to let up


  81. izen says:

    Just for the record;
    Yes the 10:10 is tasteless, unfunny and an own goal.
    Mainly because it appeals to the worst and most crass ativistic elements of human nature.
    That wish to eliminate those people that contradict or fail to share your world-view.

    They are probably sitting around regretting they didn’t make a whimsical, humerous film that would have been seen by about 10,000 of their supporters and would not offend anyone.
    Instead, when looking for ideas for publicity they listen to Baldrick saying “I have a cunning plan….”

    However a quick ask around at work today, nobody had heard of the controversy, the ‘scandel’ of who Cheryl picked for the X-factor is much bigger news….
    And the Royal Society paper on Climate Change is nowhere…

    Having read it now, I can’t find anything like OZ’s version of its contents, In fact it seems a pretty good summary of the science, but clearly that is not going to have much public impact.
    Even blowing up children, although with CG in post, doesn’t seem to capture the popular attention.

    “57 There is strong evidence that changes in greenhouse gas concentrations due to human activity are the dominant cause of the global warming that has taken place over the last half century. This warming trend is expected to continue as are changes in precipitation over the long term in many regions. Further and more rapid increases in sea level are likely which will have profound implications for coastal communities and ecosystems.”

  82. Amanda says:

    This is off-topic, gang, but as usual I find David Pryce-Jones invaluable in his analysis of all things political, native and foreign. Here he is discussing the Milliband family. Again one is forced to ask the question: Is this the best that Britain can do?

    P. S. If you go there, be sure not to miss the final paragraphs. In my view, any failure to reject that sort of Stalinist sympathizing, utterly and comprehensively, ought to be disqualifying in our contemporary polity.

  83. Locusts says:

    Great to see you back on your Topics Manonthemoor! We’ve been quite lost without them!

  84. Amanda says:

    A couple of thoughts on Izen’s and MOTM’s posts.

    First: Izen: a healthier response to those that get in one’s way is to wish or hope that they would change their minds. I would like to see Leftists reach a better understanding of how human life works and why; I would not like to see them blown up or stand about admiring such a view. But then, I’m a better person than any of the people involved with making this film.

    As for M’s comment about the sponsors taking fright, I think that is absolutely key: cut the purse strings and the wild child finds the frantic hot rod outside is no longer ready to percolate [Honeymooners reference, American TV 1956]. One can argue all day about whether the perpetrators of this monstrosity knew that shocking people would — well, shock them; but the main thing from our point of view is whether it proves a Pyrrhic triumph. Yes: you meant to shock, and you did shock. But companies with money actually thrive in a bourgeois world — rely on trust, the rule of law, and the workings of a decent democracy. Undermining the norms of political stability and standards of decent behaviour is only going to drive them off. Sooner or later.

    And that’s our TEN THOUSANDTH comment! Thanks so much to all who have contributed to making the SS LibertyGibbert a force to be reckoned with on the high seas of the blogosphere.

    Congratulations Amanda; could you e-mail me an address where the ceremonial Vegemite can reach you – Oz

  85. Amanda says:

    Hello, Locusts.

  86. Pointman says:

    izen says:
    October 4, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    “However a quick ask around at work today, nobody had heard of the controversy”

    Icarus, I distinctly remember people saying that about a little thing called Climategate. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?

    BTW Looking over the DT’s blogs, I can see it was another hard day at the office but look on the bright side though, at least The Good Doctor didn’t pay a visit …


  87. Amanda says:

    Reminds me of the film critic Pauline Kael, who was mystified that Nixon become president since, as she famously remarked, none of the people she knew had voted for him. The remark is famous precisely because it says so much about Kael’s world and the people she knew, and very little about the rest of the country or the electability of Nixon.

    Maybe in Izen’s circle, an eco snuff film doesn’t signify much. In other circles, it certainly does.

    P. S. Liked your evening choice of music, as well.

  88. Hello, meltemian.

    “Bear – Is burning wood really so dodgy? We burn olive wood all winter as that’s all we have. ”

    Yes, it is, unfortunately. If however you are using a modern fireplace insert or pot-bellied stove, and the stack is of galvanized or stainless steel and therefore easily accessible for modification. simply get a platinum stack catalyst screen from any number of vendors. The heated gases when they hit the screen are transmuted into less toxic variations, though it does not get 30% or more of the noxious fumes changed to something else.

    What works is what coal plants have now: ammonia or amine based stack gas scrubbing, electrostatic precipitators for particulates, and various forms of catalytic conversion devices. A bit elaborate for a homegrown rig.

    I also have to add that if you are not exposed to irritants and pollutants and strange bacteria as a child or as an adult, you will not develop immunities and instead will end up with allergies and even asthma. Small kids are doing what they are hard-wired to do when they are eating mudpies and bugs. It startled us how much physically tougher city kids were than the rural ones as fare when in barracks and was the subject of much debate as both city and country were well represented then. I think dealing with subway steps and steps in tall buildings in cities has a bit to do with it, and one wag pointed out city kids had to run a lot more from the police and other gangs, but I think the foul air helped, when once exposed for the first time to a pastoral environment, which most military bases are. You would be surprised in the USA at the number of last-of-species preserves are on military bases. Doing the daily run through the Hawk missile range woods at Cherry Point, NC, was always a larf, as you would startle deer, find huge box turtles on the trial, and red puffer toads (if you picked one up it would inflate to two and three times its original size).

    So a bit of filth doesn’t hurt, I say, nor a bit of air pollution. For a fact, the first thing that usually happens to nuke submariners coming up after six months underwater is they get the worst case of acne and also the oddest respiratory ailments imaginable, as the air on nuke subs is micronically filtered to the nth power. We’re beasts with immune systems that need to be programmed, or we are sitting ducks for unforeseen disease vectors.

  89. Locusts says:

    Hello Amanda

  90. meltemian:

    Isn’t olive wood rockhard and somewhat oily? I would think it wasn’t flammable to any great extent. I have an olive wood letter opener dagger sort of thing courtesy of an Israeli friend and it is like metal, almost.

  91. Thanks for posting the “Ned Kelly” stuff. I visited Sir Mick’s listing, and it goes on for pages. Does Hizzoner have his own production company, I wonder.

  92. Amanda says:

    Hello Meltemian and of course our expert on mayhem, the Honourable Walter.

    I thought that in additon to being oily, olive wood is prized for its beauty and thus anything made from it tends to be pricey. You’d be better off making salt keepers out of it, Melt, and flogging them on EBay!

  93. Amanda says:

    By the way, Walt, in reference to a comment you made elsewhere, one imagines that ingratitude rather than boredom was the problem.

  94. Amanda says:

    Or then again, Melt, you could make letter openers like Walt’s! Or sell me your wood and *I’ll* do it. :^)

  95. Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 2:04 am

    It’s called political polarization and total loss of any common ground between opposing parties. Not good, Amanda. Been there, done that LOL

  96. Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 2:25 am

    It wasn’t so much of either as it was of wanting to run off and “find themselves” (remember how it was, and still is in some quarters, with the really “smart” girls?). After the first two or three times, I happened to volunteer a flashlight to her leaving with the comment that this is for finding her arse in the dark.

    Bit of a cliche these days, but cliches are what guides folks lives now. They are neat, simple, and a breeze to emulate or follow. Anything but thinking. That’s the problem with AGW, it’s a media buzzword air sandwich. No content but easy to digest.

  97. I think why my face lacks bilateral symmetry is from getting slapped so hard so often.

  98. If adaptive evolution were real, men would have faces with exoskeletons made of chitin LOL

  99. izen says:

    Pointman says: October 5, 2010 at 12:50 am
    “Icarus, I distinctly remember people saying that about a little thing called Climategate. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?”

    I have.
    But nobody at work had until I mentioned it.
    Needless to say it just increased my eccentricity quotient as the staff think I’m a bit strange because I DON’t know lots about the mating habits of the rich and famous.

  100. Amerloque says:

    Hello Everyone !

    For those interested in what’s happening politically in the USA and more appositely whether what is currently taking place can be “transferred” to another country (e.g., Australia, the UK) a visit to the Heartland Institute might be useful.

    You can download “The Patriots’ Handbook”, containing a variety of political techniques. These can be especially useful in resisting the marshmallow-minded fundamentalist neo-pastoralist ecoterrorists.

    “You have the passion. You have the energy. And you are committed to turning back the statists and their plans to “transform” America into a country you and the Founders would no longer recognize. Now let The Heartland Institute help you communicate the principles for which you fight.

    We will ship the following booklets to you free of charge to share with other Tea Party Patriots at your meetings and rallies. These brief, easy-to-read materials will arm you with facts and solutions — and leave you more informed on the issues than your average member of Congress.”

    (That booklet is what the download pdf is.) (grin)


  101. Amanda says:

    Bear, you’re breaking my heart! As long as you don’t actually resemble the Bear in your painting (hmm, maybe *that’s* the problem?), I can’t understand why the women of Boston (your current locale, I believe) aren’t beating each other with their pumps to get at you. I daresay you’ve heard that a good man is hard to find?

    With respect to cliches: Allan Bloom once made the same observation (I believe it was Bloom) about the masses liking slogans (or maybe he was recalling Plato). The mass of people have *always* cottoned to the catchy phrase that is a *substitute* rather than a receptacle of actual ideas for them. Most people, don’t forget, toiled in fields to earn their bread. They had neither the time nor the intellectual development nor the education (i.e. exposure to the thoughts of greater minds than theirs) to comprehend anything philosophic in nature. And basically, though the Western nations are no longer nations of peasants with a cherry of aristocracy, the fact remains that the masses are not interested in, or capable of, philosophy. They can’t go very far with ideas or really think them through. That’s why we got Obama: ‘hope and change’; ‘we are the ones we’ve been waiting for’ (which by the way sounds eerily like a slogan used in the preparation of Germany for Nazi rule). Words that sound good, that have a superficial appeal, but the content either isn’t there or isn’t well understood. How many Frenchmen, while they were busily slaughtering the aristos and the bourgeoisie, really thought about the meaning of ‘Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite’? (Please supply accents.) Well, obviously, since they were capable of the various terrors, named or otherwise, the disjunction between what they claimed to love and what they were actually doing was not evident to them; and more to the point, the lack of a reasoned argument for how their goals *required* or *justified* what they were actually doing, did not deter them. Certainly not at the time, when it most needed to be!

  102. Amanda says:

    After the first two or three times, I happened to volunteer a flashlight to her leaving with the comment that this is for finding her arse in the dark.

    heh heh

  103. Amanda says:

    By the way, there’s one for the multiculturalists: if Western Civ is supposedly so evil and the other cultures are just dandy, how come we don’t have any peasants and they most certainly do? What would they like to say about that?

    But the West is much better at self-criticism than criticism of anything other.

  104. Amanda, the other obvious point everyone has missed, including the scriptwriter, is that people aren’t actually terribly impressed by terrorism, but if it happens enough times, then people as a rule decide to do something about it, something equally and generally (one hopes) disproportionately gruesome, just to make sure the terrorists’ memories are sufficiently burnt in to ensure they forfend next time they sort out what to try and who to try on next.

  105. Speaking of gruesome, I’m going to post some pix of yours truly prior to my Charlottesville trip, as, if you have been following my pilgrim’s progress in the Delirium Tremens, you’ll know I’ve a bit of money from before the 2004-5 Haiti expedition. The idea is to leave something behind for identifying the body LOL There’s about 48 grand to collect, and I am sick of waiting.

  106. I’m also interested in A) the Michael Mann bit, the press can’t have covered it properly, and I know folks at UVa if they don’t shoot at me first and B) I want to see what greentards’ intel structure is like. The National Ground Intel Centre is HQ’d there, so it’s time for a bit of barhopping.

  107. I have to dust off my secret decoder ring and spy whistle I got out a Crackerjack box first.

  108. Amanda says:

    Walt, I have no idea what you’re talking about, dahlink, but as usual it sounds mighty interesting. I had no idea you were making a splash somewhere in the Dental Telepathy Professionals’ Newsletter. Tell us more.

  109. Amanda says:

    ‘Dementedly Grinning Bear’ is one of your best code names yet, Walt. Mind you, in view of your further inscrutable activities, I think the next one should be Double O What-Not Bear or something like that. (You can’t give us the actual number, of course: it’s top secret!)

  110. Amanda says:

    Do you like my new avatar? It’s got diamantes on the cross. However, it has nothing to do with dancing. It’s from a pair of Marks & Spencer socks! :^)

  111. fenbeagle says:

    Are you know a big hearted crusader?

  112. No, Fenbeagle. Those are Royal Navy battle flag sox. Admiral Nelson wore a pair just like those at Trafalgar, correct, Amanda?

  113. Until they bumped the idea of forever archiving one’s posts in 2007, I’d related my stoopid saga relating to, erm, a New Mexico wind farm up near Clayton, where the sandstorm photo from the Dust Bowl era with a mile high cloud of sand approaching a small town from the left of the shot was taken by Margaret Bourke-White (and is still the basis of every sandstorm animated special effects footage since before “Dune.” I think “Bound for Glory” was the first to run that animation).

    I set the deal up as a consultant with GE’s wind farm division. The client immediately decided they would farm the deal to GE’s competitors and told me she was not going to pay me. I’ve no doubt you can see the backfield in motion on that one, Amanda LOL!

    Anyway, they think I’ve gone away, but signed contracts are in perpetuity unless stated otherwise,Yuk, Yuk. She is now in a position to pay, so you get the rest.

    I managed to copy all my posts from that era before they pulled that down, including my sticking it to someone called Henry, and I still await the sound of galloping hooves and the woosh of a polo mallet toward me.

  114. 2004-2009 were a good time to post in the Delirium Tremens. Lots of fun.

  115. My 2004 posts explain to me in black and white just how far my brain has been digitardized. Pathetic.

  116. Amanda says:

    Re Nelson:
    That’s right, Bear. And when the signal flags were all shot to bits, he said never mind and then used his briefs. Patriotic head to toe, he was.

  117. Sort of goes a way toward explaining the specific reasons amongst many why I feel the way I do about AGW and alternative energy.

    Double Zero I think is appropriate at this time, Amanda, but not as nomenclature, just as an expression of my earnings in alternative energy. Once bitten, always ready to return the favour.

  118. Amanda says:

    Fen, where’s your dog?

    You are correct, and did you see Yaakov’s comment to me? He said we can be cross with each other now. But then he’s asked me if I’m into S&M, so who knows what *that* means. I told him I was into M&S, and now these socks prove it! LOL

  119. What would a brown signal flag represent, I wonder.

  120. Amanda says:

    Double Zero I think is appropriate at this time, Amanda, but not as nomenclature, just as an expression of my earnings in alternative energy.


  121. Maybe it would represent, “Sh*t, that was a close one.”

  122. Amanda says:

    I dunno, Bear, all the flags and rags by then were covered in blood — and red’s a patriotic colour. `^[

  123. Amanda says:

    Bear, delighted to hear that you are finally getting money that’s coming to you, but on the other hand, is there anyone other than the personnel of Ozboy’s B&G that doesn’t want to clobber you?

  124. rastech says:

    Forum and chat are down at foundingsons for some reason, all seems ok with the provider, no issues listed.
    Will try and get things up and running again in the morning.

  125. rastech says:

    Ahhh just come up there’s a couple of issues current. So will check again in the morning to make sure all is back to normal.

  126. Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 7:57 am

    I haven’t taken inventory lately. Think I should?

    Sometimes the thought crosses my mind that much of this is of my own making.



    Maybe it’s Monday maintenance they’re doing. Or duping the posts at the request of (fill in your worst nightmare).

  127. Song of the day? Can’t imagine the greentards not mobilizing something as “damage control.”

  128. Blackswan says:

    And this is only the beginning…………..

    “THE impact of surging power prices is more severe and widespread than expected, with a majority of households choosing to shiver through winter – electric heating pushed beyond their budgets.”

    “The survey of more than 1350 people found 85 per cent have altered the way they live in an attempt to reduce their electricity bill.”

    Bad enough in the comparatively mild winters here, but what will ordinary folks do in your horrendous winters of the northern hemisphere?

    Sceptics have always warned that people will die because of the CAGW Fraud – seems more than likely as these Renewable Energy Policies begin to bite.

  129. fenbeagle says:

    hi Amanda
    My dog can’t get through his head through the window. He is too busy at the moment to download the software, (or whatever you have to do.)
    M & S socks used to be dedicated to St. Michael. Not St. George.
    …….Good for kicking dragons though.

  130. Blackswan old people cost money to keep and are no longer productive and they consume lots of health care resources best to let them pop this mortal coil.
    I believe that is the Watermelon attitude to pensioners.

    Think Boxer in Animal Farm. Off to the knackery – Oz

  131. Pointman says:

    Hi Amanda,

    I gotta say, if you were my significant other, I wouldn’t be kitting you out in Marks and Sparksers socks though let me say that if M&S underwear was good enough for Margaret Thatcher, well then er .. em .. well .. whatever. Mack’s special little thing is probably about socks so you shouldn’t have mentioned them. Let’s not go there.


  132. Blackswan says:

    Hi Crown

    If only the aged (seeing we are useless, redundant & superfluous) were affected, one could understand it. The family in the story are not – they represent future Australia. Maybe those smart-metres will allow Utilities to be more selective in who gets their Energy access “modified”.

  133. Walt O'Bruin says:

    It’s not fair to Amanda that she should be the only one on display as it were at this site.

    So without further ado, here is the Drowned Zombie Polar Bear, Walt O’Brien, for a number of reasons, not least of which being I will probably be called to account for my present and past postings at some point in time (and also to ensure there aren’t identity thefts associated with same). I am also curious to see what comes out of the woodwork, as did happen in Montreal, as anticipated, in early 2005 immediately following on to my Haiti junket.

    The caption for this one is “You did what with my credit card?”

    The caption for this one is “Let me get this straight. You want to renew my contract for another six months?”

    What Photoshop has been done relates to the twin reflections of the flash off both the mirror and my glasses, plus colour correction for incandescent lighting.

  134. Pointman says:


    I’ve been reading the reports about your visit to the mainland and I have to say, I still think there’s good in you. They may be comparing it to the burning of Atlanta or the Enola Gay’s visit to Japan but I say that was just high spirits. Youth will have its day. Property damage is just the insurer’s problem and I’m sure the brewing industry appreciated the spike in demand. That thing with the Kangaroo in the high street was a bit extreme but on the bright side, she was a female so you’re still a good bloke . We all grow up at some point and I’m sure I speak for your Ma and Da when I tell you to give up your sinning ways.

    Rev Pointman, Parish of Wallawoora

  135. Blackswan says:

    O’Pointy, ol’ son

    It was me Da who taught me those sinnin’ ways and me Ma who gave me the cauliflower ears from boxin’ ’em so regular like. (She had a mean left-hook too).

    Sorry ’bout the ‘roo – but she was awful cute – those big brown eyes ‘n’ all.

  136. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 11:22 am

    I know what you mean about those eyes, my son. Ten Hail Marys and five Our Fathers. Go forth and sin no more. Keep that sort of stuff for the heathens on the mainland.

    Rev Cahil O’Pointman, Parish of Wallawoora

  137. Blackswan says:


    Between you and Amanda exposing yourselves in the Bar & Grill, Fen showing himself in his favourite dog-collar and the Rev Pointy with his self-portrait ‘n’ all – it’s leaving the rest of us in a quandary.

    Still, I think the photo of me is quite handsome, feathers all preened and glossy. Maybe I wasn’t holding my beak right.

  138. Amanda says:

    Hello All. I had to — was forced, against my will! — really — to check in here again this evenong (sic) because of my dog’s incontinence. Truly. She’s been weeing all over the house — I had to tell Mr A: ‘it could be worse: it could be one of us’ on account of her drippiness on account of her allergies, which has not done much for the repose or the fragrance of my evening. I’ll spare you the details (well, I had to tell you what it was about, didn’t I?), but I’m on the laptop because she always falls asleep next to me but I wanted to read so that meant the big wingchair but then she wanted to come up and sit on my lap though she’s 70 pounds, but I couldn’t let her because apart from the 70 lbs I can’t have wee on the wingchair, but that’s where the best incandescent light is, so then I had to get up and go to the leather sofa where the light’s not so good for reading but at least the dog can lie there on a towel and drip if need be…. That was exhausting, wasn’t it? Was for me. Anyway, upshot: I got fed up with reading by a flashlight for extra illumination so here I am again on the Internet. Convinced? No, I didn’t think so. It’s true, though. The one night when I really, really want to know what was going on with Albert Speer, and she has to get the big-time drips!

  139. Pointman says:

    Walt O’Bruin says:
    October 5, 2010 at 10:58 am

    There’s a look in those photos that reminds me of John Wesley Hardin, the outlaw’s outlaw. Remember to sit facing the door.


  140. Blackswan says:

    Pointman says:
    October 5, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Rev, being a heathen myself, looks like I’m condemned to flying in ever-diminishing circles in purgatory till my feathers are singed and I sink to my doom.

    Gee, it’s been fun though.

  141. Blackswan at least you are not an oozlum bird they fly around in ever diminishing circles until they disappear up their own a……..

  142. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Yep, it’s never the destination, the trip’s the thing. One from Their Satanic Majesties in memory of the late and unlamented Brewster.


  143. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: Shall we have a little less talk of ‘exposing’? I mean, I’ve shown very little flesh and Walt has shown even less. If he had shown us a picture of him doing a Tom Cruise dance in his Y-fronts, that would be one thing. Instead we get a nice normal picture of a nice-looking guy and then a slightly less normal night-of-the-living-camera-salesmen picture where someone has done something funny with the eyes. And so instantly I perceive the source of all Walt’s not inconsiderable romantic problems: just when things get hot and heavy he has an untimely visit from the Rick Moranis ghost-monster — and sadly, Bill Murray is never there to set things right.

  144. rastech says:

    Well looks like the technical stuff has been re-technified, I’m pleased to say. *thumbs up*

    Probably dry rot, woodworm, or something . . . . .

  145. Blackswan says:

    Hi Crown

    Trouble with those birds is they seem preoccupied with their own fundamental orifice and would probably enjoy the trip…LOL

  146. Pointman says:

    Never mind the male belly dancers, one for the ballerinas.

    Pointman (defrocked for an unhealthy interest in Marsupials)

  147. Amanda says:

    Pointman: In my defence, I should like to point out that the socks in question are short not long (no it doesn’t really make a difference but I thought I’d mention it), and also that I no longer get my underwear from Marks and Sparks (who gets G-strings delivered from England to the U. S. A.? One piece of elastic is much like another, and they’re prettier at Victoria’s Secret). Normally modesty would forbid my discussing underwear on the worldwide web, or whatever, but as the subject of thongs has already been discussed extensively by me and others on the DT blogs, the forbidding obviously didn’t work!

  148. Blackswan says:


    Ol’ Brewster made a much better feather duster than Lord o’ the Chookrun.

  149. Amanda says:

    Anyway, here’s my dedication for the evening to you lot:

  150. Blackswan says:

    Defrocked Rev

    Tell the truth – it was those little warm pouches wasn’t it?

  151. Amanda says:

    I am also curious to see what comes out of the woodwork, as did happen in Montreal, as anticipated, in early 2005 immediately following on to my Haiti junket.

    You’re speaking in tongues again, Walt. Qu’est ce-que c’est?

  152. Amanda says:

    Is it me, or does Van Morrison look increasingly like Truman Capote?


  153. Amanda says:

    Actually I take that link back. He’s squashed the melody entirely in that performance — can’t think why. It’s a good swinging song; I remember it from the album even though I haven’t heard it in c. 20 years! But you’ve got to sing all the notes, Van. Not flatten the key lines until they sound like nothing.

  154. Pointman says:

    Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Ah hah. There’s still come content there. I’ll have to get back to reading the blogs at the DT. Discussions of underwear are always of interest to blokes. It’s a failing I know but we are what you females selected so basically, you’re the ones to blame. There are grounds to be careful though, that pink booted person might start baring her heart I’m definitely not interested in what’s under Msher’s bustle …


  155. Amanda says:

    Pointman: Ask Yaakov on Delingpole’s about caramels and thongs. See what he comes up with! (I had mentioned I’m fond of caramel.)

    Well I must say, this is more fun than changing the towel under my baby (who, thank heaven is now asleep beside me so perhaps we’re home and dry).

    Have you looked at the Jukebox lately? I gave a thanks to you. Also I noted that there’s a lot of good music on YouTube. I’d like to put things up but I’ve failed up till now for reasons unknown and also, it takes up one’s time….

    Got another song?

  156. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Yeah, yeah, you got me there Cobber. But what about all that Kangaroo bondage you guys do, Sport?


  157. Amanda says:

    Oh sorry, I meant to say ‘a lot of good music NOT on YouTube’.

  158. Amanda says:

    Pointman: Whenever the Pink Boot is in evidence, I shall be elsewhere. By far the most obnoxious troll, notwithstanding that nauseating slave, F S.

  159. Dr. Dave says:


    I had an old dog once who suffered from urinary incontinence…my beloved Ellie. The vet prescribed phenylpropanolamine which used to be a common ingredient in human allergy remedies (as a nasal decongestant). It was outlawed due to alleged adverse effects (which were never noticed for over 20 years) and the fact that apparently it was easy to convert into methamphetamine. But it is still available (in the US) for veterinary use.

    It actually makes sense from a pharmacologic perspective. The autonomic nervous system regulates urination. Strong cholinergic response causes urination, adrenergic stimulation has the opposite effect. The phenylpropanolamine provides just enough adrenergic stimulation to prevent urinary incontinence. It worked for Ellie right up until her death at the age of 14 (which OLD for a Golden Retriever).

    You might want to check it out. As I recall it was cheap.


  160. Dr. Dave says:


    Check your Jukebox for new additions.


  161. Amanda says:

    Another observation: hopelessly off topic, but then this is the Bar & Grill’s night shift: Walt’s picture reminded me of the Canadian songwriter/singer, Bruce Cockburn. Walt has no beard and their politics could hardly be further apart, but their glasses sure look similar!

  162. Amanda says:

    Thanks very much for that info and advice. I shall be calling my old vet (well, *her* old vet) in Texas tomorrow morning — a cry for help. (They know her history.) And I shall print your message, going slowly over the long words, and see what they say.
    See you over at the Jukebox!

  163. Amanda says:

    Crown, I just know it can’t be you. You said you had a receding hairline.

  164. Blackswan says:


    It’s not the tying up they don’t like – it’s the knocking down……….


  165. Amanda says:

    Dave: 14 strikes me as old for ANY dog! We’ll be very lucky if our dog (a Boxer) makes it to 8 or 10.

  166. Pointman says:
    October 5, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Whenever I go into the woods, I never go alone. I don’t even have a can opener. Don’t need it LOL

  167. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Too much information Doc, too much information. What’s the bodycount on the Squirrel front? Not many zips in the wire around Wallawoora these days but they may just be massing for another attack. If they think they’re going to do a rerun of Dien Bien Phu, they’re seriously mistakes. We’ve been resupplied with knicker elastic so the projectiles are back up to scratch.

    Trang Uy Pointman

  168. Pointman says:

    Teddy Bears’ Picnic says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    “I don’t even have a can opener. Don’t need it”.

    Yep, that’s why even the Squirrels won’t go in there when the Sun goes down. Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death I will fear on evil because I’m the meanest …


  169. Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    I do have a knack for pulling defeat from the jaws of victory, to be sure.

    I thought the salesman from Hell Peter Sellers eyes were a bit of a hoot, though. Quite by accident. Photoshop is a fun toy. Al K. Traz, anyone? A virtual crime wave persists, to this day…..

  170. Amanda says:

    Walt: Al K Traz … reminds me of a t-shirt I saw in Sausalito: something like the Alcatraz triathlon, with suitable toilet-room icons: jumping, running, swimming….

    Yes, the second photo was funny but I like the first one. It says to me ‘category bender’: not the standard type that does the standard things.

  171. Amanda says:

    Pointman: ‘I’m the meanest’: I presume that’s the meaning of ‘A Meeting In The Park’.

  172. Amanda says:

    Pointman: Are you in a boat anchored off the Canary Islands, and is it late there for you? Or rather, early?

  173. Pointman says:

    Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Yeah, well Mack and a curious interest in Camels would not come as a surprise. We all have our little peccadilloes although to be frank, that’s a rather large one. Music wise let’s try …


  174. Ozboy says:

    OK Swanny, if we’re onto the Aussie classics, try this one:

    The funny thing is, I recall Eric Bogle in an interview saying that when he does this song live, it’s the Italians/Greeks/Vietnamese etc in the audience who sing along with the chorus the loudest! 😀

    Yes I’m breaking my own Youtube rule, but I’m stuck on a knotty point at work and rather frustrated.


    P.S. Amanda – check your e-mail

  175. Pointman says:

    Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Hole in one. Have a cigar. Don’t smoke? The alternative is a jar of Vegemite you know …


  176. Amanda says:

    Oz and Pointman:

    Would you believe it, I just checked my e-mail a few minutes ago while you lot were mentioning e-mail and Vegemite over here… I can’t believe I got the 10,000th comment — I feel like a lottery winner! Not an Oscar winner, mind: they thank everybody for half an hour, grovelling. Sally Fields, for instance.

  177. Amanda says:

    Pointman: No I don’t smoke, but I do enjoy the smell of a lit cigar.

  178. Dr. Dave says:


    So sweet of you to inquire! Sadly, the body count to date is only 29 gophers, 2 wood rats, 2 prairie dogs and 2 squirrels. But she’s keeping track. The squirrels are the difficult quarry. She’s got gopher killin’ down to an art form but dispatching ground squirrels is much more difficult (the little bastards won’t hold still in the crosshairs). The little bastards are unbelievably crafty. She’s come very close to erecting a “squirrel blind” in the dining room. This woman is possessed!

  179. Pointman says:

    Amanda says:
    October 5, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    “.. in a boat anchored off the Canary Islands?”

    Yes. Always satisfy people’s curiosity and they stop being curious. I like the ambiguity in the end of that sentence. Not sure if it’s dusk or dawn …


  180. Amanda says:

    Oz: That song is just effing hilarious! My god, is it permitted in the universe these days?! I thought songs like that (Lefties and others don’t get the joke) were a hanging offence!

  181. Pointman says:

    Dr. Dave says:
    October 5, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Ah, what a catch she is !


  182. Locusts says:

    ” No I don’t smoke, but I do enjoy the smell of a lit cigar.”

    So did Monica Lewinsky

  183. Amanda says:

    Are you asleep now over your bottle of whatever, Pointy? (I think he’s asleep, doggy.) I’d share a song or two back but, like I said, they ain’t on YouTube.

  184. Amanda says:

    She also enjoyed Bill Clinton. The similarity ends before that point!

  185. Blackswan says:

    But didn’t enjoy him enough to get her laundry done.

  186. Amanda says:

    No, doggy, he’s fallen asleep over his breakfast muesli or whatever ghastly fiskebullar type thing he’s got on his plate. He’s got insomnia which is why he’s up posting on blogs but he’s also tired and that’s why the fiskebullar is in his cereal bowl. :^)

  187. Pointman says:

    Asleep? I think not. The Muscat is chilled to within an inch of its life and I’m enjoying the second glass. Normally, not a big fan of dessert wines but it’s rather a good one actually. Such is life …


  188. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: Who would??? By all accounts he didn’t enjoy her either. It was all cigar and no trousers. Not that I was paying attention or wanted to know the details. I mean, I probably know far less about that sordid squalid affair than most Americans. And I know almost nothing about celebrities generally, which I consider a badge of my freedom.

  189. Amanda says:

    Muscat’s nice. Where the hell are you?

  190. Blackswan says:

    Pointman says:
    October 5, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    I thought so…………….lovely afternoon innit?

  191. Amanda says:

    He’s in space, doggy. He’s an astronaut currently orbiting the Grace Kelly Complexion Field. They’ve let him have Muscat because Oughtdog can be dangerous in zero-gravity environments… Yes, that was a terrible, terrible joke (round here we call them ‘Mandy jokes’).

    Cue ‘Space Oddity’.

  192. Amanda says:

    Well, okay, so Wallawoora is not so fantastical and imaginary as we had been led to believe….

  193. Pointman says:

    Swanny, We share an optimistic streak. Somewhere it’s a lovely afternoon and it might possibly stretch into a lovely evening.

    Amanda, You’re right. It was a terrible, terrible joke but but very brave of you to make it. Time to get the wet suits off …

    Pointman sur mer

  194. Amanda says:

    Guys, I put this link (see Jukebox, where it belongs) on Crown’s blog and he was less than impressed. It’s the ‘tribal’ style of belly dance (one fairly typical manifestion of it, anyway). It’s not my type of thing at all. But what do you think?

  195. Amanda says:

    Marilyn Monroe is just incredible. My god, that bust alone is worth a million…. I have to say, though, that her version of ‘I’m Through With Love’ in that film stinks. No interpretation whatsoever. I guess she couldn’t relate to it.

  196. Amanda says:

    By the way Pointy, I’m sur la mer. Pretty much. First, St Petersburg is a peninsula. Second, if I go up my street and hang a louie (turn left), a short way on there’s the canal with boats docked. Shame I don’t have access at present since the house we’re renting ain’t on the water. But the water’s right there, we get the sea breezes every night.

  197. Pointman says:

    Having just consumed a starter of Russian salad, noisettes of lamb in garlic in the middle and Crêpe Suzettes in the final straight, I’ll pass on the belly dancing. It sounds a bit energetic and I’m a bit busy digesting in that particular area of my anatomy. Perhaps a Remy Martin will help.


  198. Locusts says:


    When people ask you questions about science, you answer, with the help of a bit of copy and paste but mostly under your own steam, but when it comes to the more political aspects of AGW, you start asking your mates at work?

  199. Locusts says:

    Why is that, izen?

  200. Amanda says:

    Pointman: What an old fogey! It’s not the least big energetic, that’s the whole point. It’s all precious mincing about and public mirror-on-the-wall stuff. Still, to the extent that it might sour your noisettes of lamb (which sounds precious itself), who am I to argue?

  201. Amanda says:

    Anyway Pointy you seem to have something right. So many people think that wine is meant to go with food. Au contraire, give me the wine in its various expressions and let the food go along and not get in the way!

    There have been far too many posts by me on this thread. I should come on as Diamondfire or Melplash and only Oz and one or two others would know. How embarrassing. The dog’s even stopped widdling but there’s still wine in my glass (not the same wine — it’s been refreshed :^) ). I can’t believe it’s ticking towards midnight and Izen and Locusts are talking science…. But then I don’t know where they are… Goodnight.

  202. Blackswan says:

    Locusts says:
    October 5, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    He/She doesn’t have any “mates” at work. Having to tolerate a smart-a**se know-it-all is an obligation that comes with their pay-cheques.

    Besides, he/she would never miss an opportunity to massage his/her superiority complex.

    Don’t you love how much time at this caper is spent on his/her employer’s time? Must be a Canberra Public Servant. Uh-oh….. he/she has been sprung.

  203. Pointman says:

    Wise words Amanda, wise words. Never get between a defroked Pointman and his noisettes of lamb en Garlic. Anything could happen …

    Pointman de Marineville

  204. Blackswan says:

    Pointman says:
    October 5, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Careful Pointy………one of those did Steve Irwin in.

  205. Speaking of squirrels this is pointmans nemesis….

  206. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Hushed reverential silence. The birth of a new conspiracy. Dish the dirt Swanny …


    ps. But we all know what really happened to Steve.

  207. Blackswan says:

    Yeah, he was finally gobbled up by a croc fed up with the twit leaping on its back.

  208. Amanda says:

    Pointman: LOL zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Anyway I don’t believe the sea scenario, now. I think you’re up a mountain. In Bhutan.

  209. Amanda says:

    Locusts: I knew you’d *been* there; I didn’t know you were *still* there. All right, really, goodnight. Crown knows that I’m a pumpkin after midnight.

  210. Locusts says:

    Crown knows that I’m a pumpkin after midnight.

    Don’t worry, I have it on good authority that Crown likes pumpkins!

  211. Locusts says:

    Ok, I’ll stop now and be nice!

  212. Ozboy I think the term WOGS stands for Workers on government Service.

  213. Locusts says:

    As you may have heard, last week, 10:10 made a mistake by releasing a short film about cutting carbon which was supposed to be humourous but in the event upset a lot of people. We quickly realised that we had made a serious mistake and took it down from our website within hours.

    We also issued a statement apologising but there has subsequently been quite a lot of negative comment, particularly on blogs, and understandable concern from others working hard to build support for action on climate change.

    We are also sorry to our corporate sponsors, delivery partners and board members, who have been implicated in this situation despite having no involvement in the film’s production or release

    I am very sorry for our mistake and want to reassure you that we will do everything in our power to ensure it does not happen again.

    10:10 is a young and creative team but we will learn lessons from this. We are going to investigate what happened, review our processes and procedures, and share the results with our partners. Responsibility for this process is being taken by the 10:10 board of directors.

    This media coverage for this film was not the kind of publicity we wanted for the cause of saving the climate, nor for 10:10, and we certainly didn’t mean to do anything to distract from all the efforts of those in other organisations who are working so hard to secure effective action on climate change.

    If you have been in touch with us personally about the film, we will be replying to individual emails over the next few days. I’m sorry not to have emailed you about this more quickly – although I have followed developments closely, I’ve been working from home with a four-week-old baby. I thank you for your patience and your support for the 10:10 campaign.

    So, we are all young, and I’ve just had a baby, so give us a break!

  214. Blackswan says:

    Locusts says:
    October 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Ah, so all is explained. Hormones in disarray, a touch of post-natal depression, sleepless nights with a screaming new-born………. no wonder the idea of exploding children was so hilarious.

  215. This was posted by a mrjolly on Sir norman Tebbits blog on the DT….
    Pity you didn’t die in Brighton along with your crippled bitch you facist pig, the IRA would have done us all a favour. You sit on a pot of money and bemoan the poor. You bastard, watch your back. Like Cypress Hill said ‘when the bullets start flying they dont give a **** who they hit in the middle of a ********’. You worthless cretin, worth millions yet you get richer while the weak get weaker. Go to hell, greet the three headed dog, you piece of human filth.

    This is the mindless scum we are up against.

    Vile and barbaric. I replied to your comment on Lord Tebbit’s blog – Oz

  216. Locusts they may try actually talking to real people in the streets not just the Luvvie crowd.

  217. Oh I reported mrjolly as he stepped over the line of human decency.

  218. Blackswan says:


    Is there not some law in the UK that makes such a threatening communication a criminal offense? Is there not some law that holds the DT accountable for publishing such defamatory and threatening comment?

    What a truly disgusting rag that publication has degenerated into being. I thought the misbegotten pink boot was bad enough.

  219. Locusts says:

    Crown, I’ve replied. Nobody is attacking Tebbo on our watch!

  220. Blackswan while the remarks are vile they break no laws you would have to be gay or a muslim for that one. It is a blog so the DT can only respond to reported bad comments.
    Dyke in boots was a parody mostly going way over the top to make fun of Fabe Babe.
    Fabian Delusions was pointman at his best I think and did a far better job, if it was not him then hats off to whomever it was.

  221. Locusts glad you did as well, that is an example of extreme bad taste, careful what you wish for as Karma will bite you on the ass or arse.

  222. The comment has been removed now.

  223. Crownarmourer and Locusts, be kind to Mr. Jolly. He just got bumped off the dole for not showing up for his work vocational rehabilitation training or got caught selling his ID to an Al-Queda operative. Watch some young British Army IT intel shavetail track him down and give him a well-polished boot in his personality one day.

    Crownarmourer and Amanda, as you are in the South, there is an entire culture of the weird which dates back to before the American Revolution of which Dame D’Arcy’s creations are but a small manifestation, though exquisite in execution. It is aesthetically an admixture of Creole, American Indian, black slave verbal and African animist religious tradition, the bleak mist-shrouded mangrove swamp, fireside horror tales told by ancient grandmothers and decaying plantation variety of French Catholicism. These visions are what the South dreams. You cannot grasp what it is to be a true American Southerner without linking up in a Vulcan mind-meld to this oddness with a mint julep on a Sunday afternoon.

  224. Exploding diapers would have been funnier, but that’s already been tried for real in Detroit on an airplane. FAIL LOL!

  225. The joy to be savoured from the futile Detroit terrorist attempt is Abdul bin Kabloomie is still alive, and now with no, shall we say, reproductive capacity left, all by his own hand. Now he can choose whatever gender he wants then “live the dream.”

    I am a little bemused and annoyed by the current situation: terr alert for all of Europe, greentards popping up video flares but no “attack” yet, a UK IRA alert, and I guess Asia is on some sort of alert too unrelated to these other elevated states of security levels of responsiveness. Hope this all doesn’t go up at once. I hear the drumbeats. The natives must be restless.

    One keeps hoping to hear of a young GCHQ intel monitor scribbling on a notesheet, taking off his headphones, and running down the corridor after his supervisor shouting, “Sir! Sir! I’ve found the financial and logistical link between the greens and Al-Queda!” Methinks that may very well be what that nice fellow Gavin Williams discovered.

  226. Oops. Silly me. Forgot to mention Syria, Iran and Hizbollah along with Hamas now share a common military council under treaty, there are roughly 16,000 missiles pointing at Israel from the Lebanese border, Ahmineedofaleftjab is almost ready to try out his new nuclear warheads, and the PA/Israel talks are off, probably for good this time, which is a harbinger of all the Israel/Arab wars to date.

    Venezuela has nice new Sukhoi 35 interceptors and missiles that can reach Miami, too, and with lots of Latin American friends in the wings ready to help, many of them on US soil.

  227. Let us hope Splattergate is not really an unintended, or worse, intentional prophecy of things to come on Western civilization’s soil.

  228. Western entertainers forget that ancient theatre, while lacking cameras and recording devices, served often as incantatory ritual meant to call up a certain result in the real world from the spirits beyond their vision and ours.

  229. Southern Gothic Bear… as to the South it’s way too many people marrying cousins trust me my ex in laws worry me. The south is full of really nice people who will eff you over for your last dime, really religious folks as well whom all go to church on Sunday and tell God what to think.
    It’s a Scot’s Irish thing, I have long realized that the South lost the war because they were not in a hurry to win it and way too tight with the cash.

  230. Edward. says:

    G’day Oz,

    Seems crimble comes early for some, f*** the world in 2008 and all is now forgiven:

    Thought that with our China experts around, I’d share this:

    “So holding climate talks in Tianjin this week is the equivalent of holding an international crime symposium on halting the drug trade at a resort owned by a Colombian cocaine lord.”

    Read more:

    Typical Chinee, play: “bofe enz agin midow!”

    “Preten’, we stoopid, play dumb!”

    “Quai loh , he always fall for it!”

    Never bet, or gamble with the masters!

    I must admit to having a rather sneaking admiration for our Oriental cousins in the ‘Middle KINGDOM’ and lets face it they’ve a long history and are rather good at playing the long game.


  231. Pointman says:

    Sony divest themselves of the 10:10 sickos. BTW They were planning to show the snuff film in cinemas but apparently that’s been cancelled too.


  232. Blackswan says:

    Pointman says:
    October 5, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Now, if only we can think of a way to discredit wind-toys and have the enthusiastic support and sponsorship of them withdrawn.

    Mincing eagles, kites and goshawks hasn’t done it – not appealing enough.

    Something furry giving the impression of cuddly, with big limpid eyes……

    Problem: How to launch baby seals or polar bears a couple of hundred feet into the air.
    Leave it with me – I’ll give it some thought.

  233. mlpinaus says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    I am bit pissed @ 11 or so at night, but large eyes, and cuddly does it for me. Wind toys is exactly right .The bloody things are usually not generating at all. Mostly off, waiting to get in line for the 1 crane available in Aus to fix them…… and fu*???*ing Gillard wants a Carbon Tax……


  234. crownarmourer says:
    October 5, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Crime there is also five or ten times that which you find in the Northern cities, too. Very astute on your analysis of the Civil War. The South got by on no logistical support not because they were blockaded, but because, as with the Katrina relief programme, all the money deployed to the support of the Southern troops was pocketed by local thieves or in the specific case of the officer class of the Confederacy, by their commanders.

    Good ‘un also on Scot Irish and the religionists. All I can say is you have to see how miserable their lives turn out by the time they are fifty or so, if they live that long. I’d had bad experiences in particular with Welsh Methodists several times. Funny how people are formed by their religious upbringing. They all protest they aren’t until you see their rap sheets.

    Almost forgot to mention another interesting point: several reasons were pointed out to me by a Jesuit layman friend in Boston as to why the Roman Catholic church is re-structuring in the USA today besides loss of the older generation: the Church made the mistake of taking Federal funds for Catholic Family Services, so as it has therefore to extend social services to all, 70-80% of those asking for help are Protestants, so it has proven easier for them to just shut down and/or consolidate parishes to chases away the freeloaders. There is also not a replacement generation for the English-speaking non-Hispanic community in North America so the Catholic Church has a huge programme now entirely focused on the Hispanic immigrant programme which takes up resources once used for the older parishes now closing. White suburbia is not longer on their radar screen as it was in the 1960’s for that reason. Lastly, they are abandoning the liberation theology approach of the 1960’s forever, well ahead of the general public, with Latin seeing a resurgence as well as the old values. It’s not only the successfully recovering economies which are swinging to the Right.

    Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo – Oz

  235. Here’s a list of (five) proper utility engineering documents prepared by the New York State Independent Systems Operator on how the utilities must deal with the present wind farm explosion. They read like a post-disaster report.

    Much of these reports and studies is couched in terms more pithy than posted here. Great reading, and prepared by licenced professional engineers, so the facts are there.

    The term “scientists” is now apparently code for “liars on public welfare life support systems” with them, too. There isn’t a reference to science here at all. You would think the thing would be nonstop “AGW science,” but nary a word.

  236. A final point made by my Jesuit friend: the re-configuration of the North American Roman Catholic Church is based on the explicit acknowledgement of the fact that it was the anything-goes validation of amoral behaviour which makes 1960’s based theology and life today what they are that created the pedophile problem in the first place, whereas the Protest denominations are swinging ever farther into the abyss crafted by Che Guevara and Ho Chi Minh.

  237. Blackswan says:
    October 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    “Problem: How to launch baby seals or polar bears a couple of hundred feet into the air.”

    It might be more useful to sort out how to launch talking-head TV greentard MC’s and over-credentialed “scientists” in love with their own TV personae into wind turbine blades.

  238. I also think that contemplation in depth of the most glaring of issues be given to the entire lie of alternative energy is a product of middle-class weaseling and mixed-signal chaos meistering relative to achieving energy independence when what we need is to tell the Middle East tomorrow to f**k off for good, and the Caribbean basis national socialists as well. It is not fair to them to keep them on tenterhooks either. If we did what was necessary, they would have no choice but to invest their accumulated swag into the improvement of working and living conditions of their own people.

    All we have spent there has done not a single bit of good nor bought a moment’s peace, and the entire two regions are not worth a drop of English or American blood.

    Under the cities of Houston and Los Angeles are more oil and natural gas than three Middle Easts. I thought accessing that was eminent domain was for, if energy independence is what our aim is.

  239. It’s daycare centre Reading Times and our present educational system which created these blood-thirsty monsters. The want to see exploded children for real, bring back National Service and drop them off in a war zone where they can wallow in trenches filled with them.

  240. Amerloque says:

    Hello All !

    Censorship is alive and well at the Daily Telegraph today, on JD’s thread concerning child allowances !

    Why was this comment removed three times, please ?

    1. Is this what voters for “Conservatives” wanted ?

    2. Is this a way to squeeze the middle class so there are fewer babies ?

    3. Is this a way to transfer yet more of Great Britian’s dwindling wealth to legal (and illegal !) immigrants who destroy the local job markets while sending billions in “remittances” back to their ‘home’ countries ?

    4. Is this going to ensure an ever greater “brain drain” (or, perhaps even “white flight”) of qualified engineers, teachers and other professionals to greener pastures overseas such as Australia, Canada, and New Zealand ?

    5. Is this a way to ensure that folks who are financially able to do so will retire to EU countries such as France, Spain and Italy and spend their money there, to the benefit of the local economies ?

    Answers on a stamped postcard to:

    Mr and Mrs “Out Of Touch With Reality”
    10 Downing Street
    London ///

    Note that this was wiitten directly to James Delingpole as a “reply” to one of his comments.

    If JD has no control over comments and replies adressed directly to him, all the articles and comments are simply time-wasting jokes, designed to put us out of circulation by a kind of target fixation.

    What a waste of time !

    Amerloque 20101005 16h44 Paris time (CET)

  241. izen says:

    Locusts says: October 5, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    “When people ask you questions about science, you answer, with the help of a bit of copy and paste but mostly under your own steam, but when it comes to the more political aspects of AGW, you start asking your mates at work?”

    I have asked at work if anyone had heard of the 10:10 ‘snuff’ film.
    None had.
    Only one has so far admitted to hearing of ‘climategate’ – “something to do with e-mails…?”

    I think most of the staff I work with know there has been a change of government, very few voted and most seem far more concerned with x-factor, facebook and childcare issues than politics or the real niche subject of climate…

    Sorry, but in the real world we are a tiny minority of obsessives…-grin-

    Morning Izen. Been a bit busy lately but I’ll try to canvass some science here soon – Oz

  242. manonthemoor says:

    October 6, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Hi Amerloque

    Watched it happen and you are by no means the only one or post going ‘astray’

    Notice the absence of trolls now, the other pain of the comments which defeats any proper discussion. Still as has been observed elsewhere DISQUS is not about discussion.

    With regard to benefits etc. I wonder if this child allowance is just a smoke screen waiting for the really bad news. The UK has to go through the same pain as Ireland with regard to the public sector and public services, that is 20% plus reduction plus fixing the banks that are still hiding bad news.

    The time has arrived to stop kicking these problems into the long grass, the financial markets will insist on these cuts regardless.

    As a pensioner I would be happy to receive an average of around £25K, and would challenge all those moaning about £44K and child allowance to live on a normal pension and almost zero interest on savings or investments.

    The hard times are coming and ‘not in my back pocket’ seems to apply as much as ‘not in my back yard’

    Prices are also going up not by 2 or 3 percent but 10% + on many basic items, the realisation the the population is being taken to the cleaners is getting closer.

    10:10, our education system, NHS and AGW are going to cause matters to become much worse.

    Now is not the time to give up


  243. rastech says:

    manonthemoor says:
    October 6, 2010 at 2:23 am

    The time for 20%+ cuts, was 10 years ago or so.

    I think we are now staring at 75%+, and with each month that goes by, it’s getting higher.

    Government putting the burdens on the taxpayer, rather than locking up the criminals (because the politicians and bureaucrats would be locked up along with the Bankers, Insurers, Pension Fund Managers, etc., too), and letting the bankrupt enterprises go bankrupt (and therefore giving the haircut to those that earned it), has only significantly compounded the problem. It’s turned a Corporate debt problem, into a Sovereign debt crisis (there’s no second dip, the first one hasn’t gone away).

    Steps to ringfence and insulate the Nation from this, should have been actively underway over 3 years ago now.

    Throwing the anchor off the Titanic onto a 10ft dinghy, is no brake on events at all.

    Izen, don’t discount those around you, only telling you what they think you want to hear.

    When I was a barman, I’d encourage people to talk about any and everything, and would get the whole bar joining in (apart from Wednesday nights, because they were home made bread nights, and discussion tended to be about home made bread*grins*).

    You might be very surprised at what people really think . . . . .

  244. NoIdea says:


    I also attempted to do a little research on what the average person, who does not spend almost every waking hour scouring the internet for climate related information, thinks about a few related subjects.
    I found that X-Factor was indeed the hot topic, on the subject of AGW the consensus was unanimous (not just merely overwhelming!) “Utter $h1te” “A load of old 130110CK5” “Bring it on, it’s flipping freezing” Etc.

    In the real world we may be a tiny minority of obsessive’s. However, the vast majority of the less obsessed also recognize a scam or hoax when it is that badly done that you can clearly see the wires that are supporting the flying pig.

    As with all cults, when you have invested a lot of time, energy or money, you will find it painful to break out of the mind set that you have paid so much to get into.
    There is hope; it appears that some senior scientologists have started to jump ship.

    Is this the age of the death of cults?


  245. Hi, Izn’t. You said:

    Sorry, but in the real world we are a tiny minority of obsessives…-grin-

    Correct if I am wrong, but it was obsessives on the net who put paid to the entire crowd of obsessives in the great we-can-change-the-weather-Yes-We-Can fraud. That rational pre- “post-normal science” work being done to facilitate compliance with the carbon fraud reg’s has sorted out to being now but a continuation of engineering’s continuous push for better efficiency and better returns on the bottom line, in this case recycling emissions into sellable chemical product.

    Are you f**king with our collective self-esteem, Izn’t? I know you’re not. My relatives do that for me, and you can’t hold a candle to them, sport. They’d make G-d apologize for Creation. Is it because your relatives eff with yours, I wonder?

    Think really hard. It sez a lot about a crowd of people who feel so powerless in the conduct of their private affairs that the only thing they feel they can control is something beyond anyone’s control. The ballot box and the workplace are where you control the quality of your life, in case you need reminding.

    No one tells me what I should or shouldn’t care about. I have my own rat’s maze to negotiate to get at the cheese without taking yours on at the same time into the bargain.

  246. Correct me, it should be. Do, please.

  247. Step out into your backyard wearing your black cone hat with the moons and stars on it and do you Allah Kazam arm motions at the passing clouds, Izn ‘t. It works. Believe me.

    You MUST believe me or I will imply that I will explode you if you do not with a slimy and illegally crafted piece of cinema.

  248. Hats off to Sony, BTW. One must never punish a person or company for seeing the error of their ways then acting on that realization in a proactive manner.

  249. John Locke was a minority of exactly one. So was Arthur Koestler. So was Thomas Paine.

    Obsessives all. They’d be on OCD med’s now were they alive today, and they would have lived out their lives as post office letter sorters or retail clerks.

  250. manonthemoor says:

    October 6, 2010 at 2:58 am

    Hi rastech

    I know we have had similar discussions before and we both agree the situation is bad, and not getting any better.

    Joe Public seems still either to be unaware or fooling themselves, those taking the opportunity to pay down debt are wise, but with my generation we learnt only to buy what we could pay for.

    I live in hope that the EU will crumble along of course with the euro, things will be painful but we will survive. I live in hope that this AGW nonsense will continue to implode so that the real world can restart.

    Unfortunately all current thinking is based on growth, and there is no plan ‘B’ for contraction.


  251. Pointman says:

    No pressure Izen, no pressure …


  252. As far as the “terrorist” threat is concerned, bring it on. Please. Here’s your “celebrate diversity” lovefest.

  253. Actually, Zulus are decent blokes. Were then, too. At least had the guts for a standup fight like men.

    They’re building the largest complex of coal fired power plants on the planet at the moment, with an absolute minimum of environmental controls to their emissions profile than anything you’d find in the West, though they comply with ISO standards, as do they all this side of the presumably non-existent Iron Curtain. I’d buy them a Guinness any day. They know what work is too.

  254. Aim a spear at me like you were gonna use it, and I’m an equal opportunity shootist, like anyone else not entirely mad.

  255. Walt the only problem with all the new coal plants in Suid Afrika is the locals will steal the power transmission lines. If it’s not locked down then it’s there for the taking.

  256. I’m not afraid of 10:10 or the greentards. It’s that woman in the Progressive Direct insurance ads wot afears me. She looks like if you clipped her with a claymore from head to navel, she would keep on coming.

  257. manonthemoor says:

    More AGW scare tactics, this time courtesy of the DT

    There are some of us who cannot wait for the houses of parliament to sink out of sight, finish the job that Guy Fawkes started.

    Note no timescales or other relevant information is provided, just scary propaganda pics.

    Perhaps Izen can put a date to them for us?

  258. fenbeagle says:

    About 9 years ago, along with others, I started campaigning against cross border directory guide scams. There was one scam organisation at first, operating out of Barcelona. And a debt collecting company working from Switzerland, which put pressure on victims, once they were ‘caught’. I assumed there was a connection between these two organisations and sent off for the registration details for both companies. I could see no connection at the time myself, but another member of our fledgling group discovered a holding company behind both……And so it went on from there. A very long story of voluntary battling nearly in its tenth year. other scam organisations in different countries forming the various ‘heads’ of the Hydra. Some of which have been closed down, some of which are still operating…… More start up all the time.

    My experience of all this, and the lessons I learned, encouraged me to get more involved in voluntary campaigning against the wind farm development process as it has been conducted in England so far, particularly in the region that I live.
    I realised early on that wind ‘developments’ shared some qualities with the scam directories that I was campaigning against. It came as no surprised that John Etherington called his book ….’The Windfarm scam’. I see no reason to dispute that title.

    Three years or so ago, I was putting more effort into the Directory scam protests, than wind farms. Gradually the wind farms have taken over, and I haven’t done anything to help the directory scam protest for over a year now, being all together too taken up, with wind farm concerns. Although I was interested to view a Czech news video, about 18 months ago, of Swiss police breaking into offices of the scam groups in Switzerland, and leading off someone in handcuffs, as part of Switzerland’s on going investigation and clamp down. Something we had all contributed information too. The scam battle goes on, I only ever helped in a small way.

    The reason that I mention all this, is because I still get group E mails, from people around the world concerned about having been ‘caught’ by this operation, in some way, seeking advise etc. I have been too busy of late to pay them much attention, myself. But I’ve just realised that the latest ones ive been getting are from a Windpower organisation in America, that have had a wind fair of theirs targeted by a branch of the directory scam operating from Slovakia. Much concerned by it, and seeking advice etc.

    …..And so, I have both concerns on my screen at once….. How ironic.

  259. manonthemoor says:

    The DT postcards of the future are in there own way just as damning as the 10:10 video

    Do as we say or you will end up like this, — BUT this could equally backfire,

    — Unconstrained immigration
    — Poisoned water sources
    — Shanty town accommodation
    — Food shortages

    In short third world conditions based on completely unjustified AGW scam

    These people need to be exposed and face appropriate retribution.


  260. Walt O'Brien says:

    Interesting time trying to get work done when my portable Wi-Fi tool kept popping up with Gargle Search speech icons asking me to speak whenever I log on or off or when I engage single user lockout options.

    Then it dawned on me they’re monitoring my traffic on the Net.

    Also I have never had problems until today locking out my C drive through engaging the “do not share” option on My Computer. Had a heck of a time getting online for the past hour, until my firewall annunciator spotted a .asp tentacle from Gargle trying to snake into my C drive.

    Now it’s gone away.

    I hope the Feds implement eminent domain on their entire database including Gargle Bookburners then shut the bar stewards down.

  261. Walt O'Brien says:

    fenbeagle says:
    October 6, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Your efforts work. My filing in February of this year asking the SEC anti-trust/anti-racketeering division to check out the JCSP “20% of the national grid on wind “mobsters had a direct result in that MISO which cranked up JCSP to get access to the NYC/NYISO market had three planned wind farms in its grid killed on the implementation board.


  262. Walt O'Brien says:

    There’s a site called or that has blasted this patootie out of dozens of wind projects, and it is only one lady utility lawyer in Nebraska or Illinois.

  263. Walt O'Brien says:

    crownarmourer says:
    October 6, 2010 at 4:33 am

    That was the problem in Haiti in 2004 (or part of it, I should say). The late Secretary of State Elysee’s solution was decentralization of power supply so the plant operator security staff can walk the distribution lines to make sure they are still there…daily. is how you do it in developing countries. I am sure the guards give the wire thief a big hug to convince him to change his ways.

  264. Walt O'Brien says:

    All new site, apparently. The old pre-earthquake one showed all the installation’s locations, with mostly Cummins genset trailers as the supply units. I see now they have a big MAN slow Diesel 10 or 20 MWe unit for the central plant in Port-au-Prince, and they sold out to or were taken over by a French group. Sogener’s staff probably all died in the earthquake, too.

  265. Walt O'Brien says:

    I’ll be darned. It’s not a French group at all, Jean Vorbe is the former director of Sogener. It’s all Haitian owned. Cool.

    Glad he made it through the quake and the subsequent troubles.

  266. Amerloque says:

    Hello Bear-on-the-other-side-of-the-Mountain !
    on October 6, 2010 at 4:23 am

    Actually, Zulus are decent blokes. Were then, too. At least had the guts for a standup fight like men. ///

    I was down in RSA for professional reasons before DeKlerk threw in the towel. My conclusion at the time, after meeting quite a few people (once, in a parking lot after an ANC terrorist bomb had been found in the museum we’d been visiting …) was that the toughest mother-f in town was Mangosuthu Buthelezi, the Zulu leader of the Inkatha Freedom Party

    Before speaking to him I thought it would be like talking with Chaka. It was, I suppose. (grin) He is a very, very tough cookie.

    He made damn’ sure back then that there’d be a Zulu State/Homeland, and there is. (grin)



    Hi crownarmourer
    on October 6, 2010 at 4:33 am

    /// Walt the only problem with all the new coal plants in Suid Afrika is the locals will steal the power transmission lines. If it’s not locked down then it’s there for the taking. ///

    Not in Zululand, they won’t, believes Amerloque (grin) They are a proud people, with quite a bit of discipline when necessary, Amerloque thinks.

    If a member of another tribe came into Zuland to bag some cable/lines, for example, he wouldn’t last very long, Amerloque feels. (grin)

    As we say in the US: “Ya don’t mess with Texas !” (wide grin) Same for Z-land …

    That new fella Zuma is an idiot who has sold out his tribe.

    Of course, Amerloque’s impressions were formed well only twenty years ago, so things have changed somewhat since the end of apartheid. Not too much in Zululand, though, Amerloque is willing to bet. (grtin)


  267. Walt O'Brien says:

    Here she is, G_d love her, still fighting the greentards single-handed.

    Where can I get a woman like that?

  268. Amanda says:

    Walt, this is the source of your problems, dear. You’re looking for a utilities lawyer who looks good in a dress, can appreciate the arts, is sound on climate, lives near you, and isn’t already a) attached to a husband or b) married but attached to someone else. Question: does she have to be sound on climate? Yes? OK. Does she have to be sound on utilities?

    By the way, did I mention that I was glad to put a picture to your face, other than the one you painted. It suits you better!

  269. Amanda says:

    ‘picture to your name’ is what I think I meant.

  270. Pointman says:

    The idea that DIB is actually me, while quite amusing, suffers from a major flaw. The victims of such a prank spent two days posting replies to a spambot until, in exasperation, we finally had to point out to them what they were doing. Pulling a flanker on such innocents would be poor sport.

    To paraphrase Hemingway, “Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of Squirrels and those who have hunted armed Squirrels long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter.”


  271. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Hi, Amanda. You’re quite right on all counts.

    Over the course of my life, I had my opportunities, and they didn’t sort out. Luck of the draw, I suppose. Personally, I would rather go fishing than launch yet another disastrous affair. Not that there aren’t plenty of opportunities to staple-gun my personality to the wall again LOL! Boston abounds in lovelies, most of them quite friendly.

    I saw dozens of times young women on the arm of silver smoothies not unlike me around Faneuil Hall, and it irked me. If I were a young man, I would bitterly resent it. T’isn’t fair.

    Bookish woman with Ben Franklins in a twin set who likes walkabouts in the woods, that sort of thing, would suit me, I think, when time allows.

    Finally got everything coordinated to get some folks from American Coal Council en route to to get serious about the Carnegie/Krupp style chemical plant retrofits to coal power plants -related horse trading. I’ve an invite, so let’s see if I can get to Houston, too.

    I’ve posted related articles to my site, but the editor of “Chemical Engineering” insisted on links-only as they make good money from selling these very useful reprints. There’s enough in the abstracts to give you an idea, though. These folks from both industries should have joined forces years ago. Look in the lower right hand corner under “Options For Larger Plants.”

  272. Walt O'Bruin says:


    Here’s the download site for the technical specifications and lovely industrial renderings of the supercritical coal-fired power plant complex going up in SA:

    Forgive me, but it really is a state of the art beauty going in there.

    I always wondered why they always used power plants and refineries for settings in which the director wishes to invoke “evil, ominous, and threatening” technology. I spent thirty years around these metal monsters and never so much as stubbed my toe.

    Libtard greenfarts. I can’t even remember when heavy industry was last presented in film in a positive light. Not since WW II has a film been done along those lines.

    Watch dozens of films come out in the next ten years with the hero and heroine on a bright and sunny day, surrounded with dancing bunnies and pink butterflies, cavorting around beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, quiet and efficient wind turbines.

  273. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Pretty plant, innit?

    Looks like they finally did take us down at Rourke’s Drift LOL! Oh, well, pass the Guiness to ’em. They earned it. I’ll wager a good part of that plant is British kit.

  274. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Excuse me, I should have said, took you down. Every nation has its Viet Nams. The Crown handled that one better, methinks.

  275. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Minimum of splatter, anyway.

  276. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Yup. The turbines were designed in Rugby.

  277. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Plus, the UK division has the Level II and III and depot level maintenance contract for the rotating equipment, including the gennies.

  278. Walt O'Bruin says:

    British always get stuck with the “it’s broke, so fix it” tricky bits.

  279. Walt O'Bruin says:

    You invented the damned things. It’s your own fault LOL

  280. Amanda says:

    Personally, I would rather go fishing than launch yet another disastrous affair.
    Oh god, yes.

    Not that there aren’t plenty of opportunities to staple-gun my personality to the wall again LOL!
    Oh yes, world’s full of bad lovers.

    Boston abounds in lovelies, most of them quite friendly.
    I bet.

  281. scud1 says:

    Hi everyone…nice piece here torn off the ‘biased BBC’ blog concerning free market thinking towards ‘re-newable’ energy…

    Not a pretty picture!

  282. Edward. says:

    scud1 says:
    October 6, 2010 at 10:33 am

    G’day/Evening, Mornin’ and welcome…. scud1!

    “Investors in green energy will be well advised to accept their losses and get out before the end of the year.”

    Couldn’t be arsed to read all of it scud1 (read salient bits) but that last sentence is heartwarming to my eyes.

    Investors catch a cold, disinvest – someone……. a green loony blows up the Cancun shit-fest because, “they ain’t going green fast enough!!!!” – (watch that red button!). The IPCC dissolves into biodegradable soup for methane gas reusable fuel, Pachauri given the royal order of the boot, carbon credit/trading Kyoto is finished off and no new treaty inveigled – it couldn’t go any better …. CAGW is dead and buried in a very black hole whence it came (out of a politician’s arsehole) …….here’s hoping!


  283. Hello, Edward. Actually, I think some law school grad cutting his teeth with his first big law firm will be handed the job of litigating an anti-trust action for some star attorney against the Fed’s for market fixing, based on the premise that the provision of Federal subsidies on a disproportionate basis to renewables is an unlawful constraint of free trade.

    …and that will be the end of that.

  284. Even better, the Feds and local regimes should extend to the renewables sector exactly the same tax incentives and subsidies extended to the rest of the energy industry, nothing more, nothing less.

  285. SEC could easily strike down all carbon trading based on its blue sky characteristics, if I may be forgiven the double entendre. It is blue sky as there is no way of proving carbon reduction makes a whit of difference in improving the climate.

    It would far easier to prove it is making it worse. As reductions in carbon emissions continue and grow, the weather seems to worsen. Gasp.

    Geddit? LOL

  286. Edward. says:

    Litigious Bear says:
    October 6, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Love it bear!


    Litigious Bear says:
    October 6, 2010 at 11:40 am

    And that is so true, bring it on.


  287. Edward. says:

    I’m off to bed, however get a load of this nutter:

    ABC, fcukwits.


  288. Amanda says:

    Chaps and chapesses: do have a look at the Jukebox and what I’ve put up.

    Yes, I’ve been round this blog like a moth to a lamp lately because I’ve just lost a friend and this helps me forget. (I don’t mean lost as in death.)

  289. It would also be fun to set up an type Carbon Abatement Consequences Project complete with Izen-type anti-logic (and our own trolls! We get to play trolls! Ooooo) tying, for instance, the creation and operation of a certain wind farm complex caused Katrina and the Haiti earthquake and killed little Priscilla’s pet kitty.

  290. tying should be “proving.”

  291. Blackswan says:

    G’day Everyone

    Try this for Idiocy.

    Home solar costs 25 times more than ETS to cut gas

    “There is a widespread community view that solar generation is good for the environment. However, there is little public understanding of the cost of delivering those perceived benefits.”

    The figures just don’t add up, even for an ignoramus like me, soooooo for those who are paid sqillions of dollars to know better, nothing short of criminal liability for this Green Fraud will set things right.

    Group-think is one thing – Mass-stupidity is something else altogether.

  292. Blackswan,

    The article is spot-on correct that conventional regulated carbon trading is a zero impact activity respecting the public finances, as those buying and selling are what are known as qualified investors, i.e., the already have proved in writing to the regulatory agencies they can take the hit if they do a Mulligan on the carbon trading golf course, and also certify they are not going to pass on the losses to the general public (why you can’t borrow from the bank so easily for mortgages owes to the present chore of paying down past gambling debts back when traders COULD pass on those debts, i.e., pre-crash and crash days in 2008).

    I still think carbon trading in all forms should be killed for good outright, along with all the other New Age environmentalist crap. It is past time we re-enter the world of the rational and provable.

  293. Blackswan says:

    If we thought the 10:10 film was ghastly – try this from Oz Columnist/Blogger Andrew Bolt – it’s beyond description………..

  294. Amanda says:

    Couple of things (squinting cause my eyes are sore — I’ll just put my chilly goblet glass of red up to my eyes — yes, that feels better):

    I didn’t mean in my previous post ‘poor me’. Or that I don’t like this blog when I’m not losing something. Just that sometimes one likes to gather round the fireside and not think what’s out there beyond the cabin (the faces in the river, as in Lord Of The Rings).

    By the way, Walt, yes I got a taste of the slightly bizarre nature of the South when I read a Nancy Drew mystery set in a bayou of New Orleans — at Mardi Gras, of course. I could tell right then at the age of whatever that these weren’t quite normal people. I liked it.

  295. Blackswan says:

    Does anyone ever actually READ contributions to these threads?

    As this blog is about the images of blown-up children, is the image of a hanged child of no interest? Maybe not enough gore.

  296. Blackswan says:

    Crown – Interesting that you find such trash about Tasmania so entertaining.

  297. Amanda says:

    Blackswan: Speaking for myself, I don’t want to know. As I have just said, I seek a respite and retreat from the disorder and irrationality of the world. I don’t wish to mire my head in other people’s disturbing hostility to life, love, cheerfulness. That way madness lies.

  298. Amanda says:

    I want a bleeping car and I want it bleeping now

    Pointman, when you show up — this is for you:


  299. Blackswan I find such insane ravings mildly amusing as they are completely and totally not true in fact, if it offends you then ozboy can delete it, it really is not something that would bother me if he did. I have read the same about my own country long before I read the article on Tasmania none of the articles are flattering to anybody or anything.
    I suppose it appeals to me because I grew up reading Viz and that is a form of humour you will find in the North of England and Scotland. The American equivalent is South Park.
    So sorry if it did offend you I was hoping to goad people into a form of retaliation in kind.

  300. Blackswan says:

    Amanda: Much of the current “disorder and irrationality of the world” has been successfully engineered by those who seek to do great harm precisely because most people “don’t want to know”.

    Others seek to make a difference.

  301. Blackswan says:


    Unfortunately, life doesn’t come with a guarantee that we’ll never be offended.
    Oz wouldn’t take out something like that, nor should he.
    It’s funny if you didn’t love Tassie as I do.
    Maybe being soooooo grateful to be home again has made me tetchy.
    Maybe that image of a hanged child just completely screwed with my day.

  302. Amanda says:

    Well Blackswan, sleek of feather and glossy of back, I think all of us here on this blog seek to ‘make a difference’. That’s why we’re politically involved in one way or another. That’s why I licked stamps and made phone calls for George W. Bush in 2000, that’s why I became an American citizen, that’s why I’ve made campaign and charitable contributions, and that’s why I try to persuade other people, or give them a boost, on blogs. Among other things.

    However, that does not mean that I gain or the world gains by my sticking my head in the oven of other people’s lunacy.

    I’ll also add, while we’re on the subject, that much harm has been done in the world by people seeking to ‘make a difference’. Well by golly they made a difference all right. They were ruinous. Thomas Hobbes very early in Leviathan warned of ‘when a man imagins himselfe a Hercules, or an Alexander, (which happeneth often to them that are much taken with reading of Romants)’ [Ch. 2, Part I] — and what is a ‘romance’ but an unphilosophical version of justice, imperfect and distorted?

  303. Amanda says:

    Blackswan, you clearly need cheering up. Why not pop over to the Jukebox?

  304. Blackswan obviously I missed something hanged child? The link I posted had no such thing on it as I double checked in case I had missed something horrible. I had better go back and see what as I don’t always click on all the links.

  305. Amanda says:

    Blackswan, whenever you see this —

    No doubt Pointman will think this humour groan-worthy, but here’s a little something on the jolly side. Checked my e-mail just now; my dad sent it to me — all the way from Canada! :^)

    Hi Amanda. I think you will enjoy this one.

    Love Dad.

    A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgeon. As she laid
    her pet on the table, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to
    the bird’s chest.

    After a moment or two, the vet shook his head and sadly said, “I’m
    sorry, your duck, Cuddles, has passed away.”
    The distressed woman wailed, “Are you sure?”
    “Yes, I am sure. Your duck is dead,” replied the vet.
    “How can you be so sure?” she protested. “I mean you haven’t done any
    testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something.”
    The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room.

    He returned a few minutes later with a black Labrador retriever. As the duck’s owner
    looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front
    paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom.
    He then looked up at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head.
    The vet patted the dog on the head and took it out of the room. A few
    minutes later he returned with a cat. The cat jumped on the table and
    also delicately sniffed the bird from head to foot. The cat sat back on
    its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the
    The vet looked at the woman and said, “I’m sorry, but as I said, this is
    most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck.”
    The vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a
    bill, which he handed to the woman..
    The duck’s owner, still in shock, took the bill. “$150!” she cried,
    “$150 just to tell me my duck is dead!”

    The vet shrugged, “I’m sorry. If you had just taken my word for it, the
    bill would have been $20, but with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan, it’s
    now $150.”

  306. Ok missed that than one yes that goes beyond what is ethical or moral to use in an AD campaign and yes very sick. So I can understand why you are pissed off at the moment.
    I am a Grandad now so I do have a little one around to remind me how precious and innocent they are.

  307. Amanda says:

    Oh sorry. The joke is about a dead waterfowl. Maybe that’s not very tactful. :^]

  308. Blackswan says:


    It was me @ 12.19pm

    If we thought the 10:10 film was ghastly – try this from Oz Columnist/Blogger Andrew Bolt – it’s beyond description………..

    How can this be ignored?

    It leaves me with little patience for banal drivel and philosophical psycho-babble.

  309. Amanda says:

    Blackswan is a swan that’s living up to his name.

    Meanwhile I’d like to remind Oz’s gentle readers that since Thomas Hobbes was a founding political philosopher of modernity, along with Machiavelli, John Locke, J.-J. Rousseau, his work predates psychology and pop psychology, to say nothing of psycho-babble. But he is often very funny, in his dry and shrewd English way.

  310. Ok probably not the best thing to post but here goes about marxists….


  311. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    I fink that video will backfire a bit, too. But then, we always knew what leftards were below the veneer of their workaday public face. We have seen their deeds since 1917.

    My experience with leftard women with children (typically with no man in the house, perhaps another woman) is they don’t especially like children. The kids know it. They build a glass wall between them which they learn to polish every so brightly for visitors. It’s a power trip, I think. Leftard mothers can’t deal with the demand for unconditional love. To them, it’s somehow unfair LOL!

    Quote from one which made me get up and leave her apartment forever on the spot: “Affection is for small dogs and children.” Like it was an act or something you can synthesize at will, like kids can’t sense that, right?

    I’m not big on children either, as I’ve none of my own. Yet, I’d never dream of treating kids the way I’ve seen them treated offhandedly by the anti-motherly psych majors or life sciences majors whose careers have been disrupted by the child before them. That’s not a child to them, it’s a child support cheque from the absent father monthly, collected by the courts.

  312. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Amanda says:
    October 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    You can understand why Edgar Allan Poe set so many of his tales in the South. It definitely is Weirdsville when the moon comes out. I also think few realize how diverse culture has always been down South, which makes life more difficult and hard to draw lines of cause and effect than otherwise in daily affairs. It’s not a monoculture: for them, that was always the problem. Too many different agendae, and one brain between them all to pass around LOL.

  313. Walt O'Bruin says:

    crownarmourer says:
    October 6, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    That’s awful LOL!

    I usually just hit the random page clickerdoodle in the left column when I gets bored wif a-writin’.

  314. Walt… the bad thing is the humour from back home it’s very black and extremely dark with heavy doses of insanity and the absurd even the most evil event inspires jokes. I suppose it comes from living in a cold climate that and the heavy viking inspired culture where softness is seen as weakness.
    None of those mother’s molly coddling a child a case of of that which does not kill you makes you stronger attitude. The flip side is a generosity to the underdog and more giving per person for charity than you will find elsewhere. They don’t care where you are from and the colour of your skin just fit in and you will be accepted, just become one of us.

  315. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Amanda, I responded to your comments on Crownarmourer’s blog.

    Sorry if I gave offence concerning the sox; I like Red Sox, they play at Fenway Park in Beantown all the time. I would have thought Nelson wore hose, though. Actually, silk hose is ideal for a sea environment like that, as it wicks nicely and was simple to clean in the form silk hose existed then.

    BTW, I am in Binghamton, NY, at the moment. I posted some pix of the rising Chenango River, which will probably flood this year as in 2006.

  316. Walt O'Bruin says:

    crownarmourer says:
    October 6, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Well, a blunt and bluff humour is usually more fact-based and honest, to my mind. I always watch my back when things get too nicey-wicey. Upbringing, of course. Following the sweetness always came the blindside. People who aren’t jerks always hit you with the bad news first.

  317. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Back on topic, my Jewish friends are very philosophical about the splatter video. I sensed a collective shrug. My biz mentor saw it, laughed, and said, “So we’re ready for them this time.” Specifically, they expect the non-Jewish community, when they run themselves broke, to do what they have done for 2,000 years: raid the Jewish quarter, burn the houses, steal the furniture, rape the women, and kill the men, and do whatever with the children.

    The Jews are ready this time. Bet on it.

  318. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 6, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Actually, old bean, I lost it completely when the ground opened up and the little girl reached down for…. a dead polar bear paw.

    What the video needs is a laugh track, and after waking up to her dad, they hug, and then a murderous, huge polar bear charges through the wall.

    ….Or the director comes on set shouting “Cut! Cut! Bear come on out of that hole! Your performance stinks on ice! Break everybody!” Pause. The director grins. “You have to loosen up a bit, you don’t look dead enough. You know what elephants use polar bears for?”

    The bear lights a cigaret. “Sh*t, not again. I’m afraid to ask. I’m doing this for scale. Why do I have to put up with this? Steward!”

    “Tampons! Bwahahaha!”

    The little girl frowns. “What’s a tampon?”

  319. Walt O'Bruin says:

    “What the director strains his coffee through, kid, ” the bear answers. “It’s almost five, boy genius. Do we roll it again now, or do you pay time and a half for overtime? This suit is starting to itch.”

    “At least my lunch menu isn’t tubesteak and mayonnaise, wiseass,” the director replied.

    “That’s not what I heard, twinkletoes,” replied the bear, knocking off the director’s beret. The director responds with a boot in the crotch of the bear.

    Had enough?

  320. Blackswan says:

    October 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    What you say is true – it just nails me to the wall to see children used and abused like that. Even imagining that little child is a professional “model” (as the besplattered children in the 10:10 film probably were), can you imagine with what pride they’d put those shots in their portfolio?

    If they were the hapless offspring of the Creatures who produced such Muck – even worse.

    We’ve all met the the Corporate types you mentioned who decide to “accessorise” their domestic environment with obligatory children, then promptly “outsource” their upbringing, along with the laundry, lawn-mowing and house-cleaning. Just another domestic chore.

    In respect of child use & abuse of any kind, they have no voice and who will speak in their defense if we all hide our heads under the covers because it’s just too distasteful to deal with?

    Having the courage of one’s convictions has to mean more than just paying lip-service to them – like walking away from someone contemptible just as you did. Thanks for that.

  321. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Here’s what excess brown-green radiation from the Earth’s fartosphere as a result of global warming will do to the world’s horses: The cats shown to the right are also a cross-effect resultant of this radiative vector.

  322. Walt O'Bruin says:

    Whoops. Try this one on instead. WTF? It’s 3 AM, already. Cut me some slack, please.

  323. Blackswan says:


    Yes – enough already!!

    You’re a master at chasing off black dogs……..and reviving melancholy

  324. Ozboy says:

    G’day all,

    I’m run off my feet at the moment, but there’s a new brief post here.



  325. Edward. says:

    G’day all,

    Swanny, I must give echo to your recent posts, you are a complex and thoughtful bloke and in your words you articulate many of my feelings.

    We are very different as individuals but on this recent crap, we see eye to eye.


    On the Jews, my Grandfather who was a businessmen and had a lot of dealings with the Jewish community, called them the ‘chosen race’ with a wry grin, not for nothing will they be ready this time.
    For they, have seen it all (some of them anyway) there are still some survivors and they do, as a race have a long memory, it is good to remember and keep vengeance deep chilled.
    I would rather them on ‘my side’ than against me.


  326. Blackswan says:

    G’day Ed

    Good to know we’re on the same page – it’s not really a complex question – as adults we either feel a sense of responsibility for those more vulnerable or we don’t. I guess you and I have more windows than mirrors in our lives.

  327. Pointman says:

    Hello Swan.

    As a child, I once saw another child being beaten by their parent. I asked my Dad, who’d never raised his hand to any one of us, why he didn’t hit us. He paused to think about it before answering that the problem with beating kids was that if it didn’t work, what people tended to do was start hitting them harder and harder. The only thing the child would learn was how to take a beating and you’d lose the child as well.

    That picture of the child is upsetting. One’s first instinctive reaction is anger but not at the plight of the child but rather at the people using an image of what’s loved by you to manipulate you. Not having succeeded, all they will do is escalate and that’s why it, like beating children, will fail.


  328. Edward. says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 6, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Indeed Swanny, yes indeed.


  329. Blackswan says:

    Pointman says:
    October 6, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Hello Pointy

    You’re right of course – this Eco-tactic is destined to fail on many levels.
    Their scatter-gun approach pays no heed to the harm they cause.
    Still, it’s all going into the neck-top data base to be retrieved in the future as, and when required. Highly combustible material to fuel one’s passions which, incidentally, aren’t always the kind found in the average Mills & Boone.

    Those who are immature, self-absorbed and deeply impressed by their own intellect may one day have pause to reflect on the choices they’ve made.

    I choose to give-a-damn.

  330. izen says:

    manonthemoor says:
    October 6, 2010 at 5:23 am
    “-Link to pictures of london flooded etc –
    Note no timescales or other relevant information is provided, just scary propaganda pics.
    Perhaps Izen can put a date to them for us?”

    The pictures are based on a 6m rise in sea level.
    That is credible, when the last interglacial period reached temperatures around 2-4degC warmer than now the sea level was around 6m higher.
    2-4degC is the best estimate for the effect of a doubling of CO2.
    As for the speed at which ice-caps can melt, it was thought it was quite slow and would take the best part of a millenia to rise several metres.
    However recent geological evidence from the A1 meltwater pulse ~12Kyr ago is that 20ft in two hundered years is quite possible.

    So the pictures could be accurate as soon as 2210.

  331. NoIdea says:


    I note you point to the previous interglacial, as being a little warmer than the current one that we are in; whom or what was responsible for that extra 2-4degC warming back then?


  332. Pointman says:

    Blackswan says:
    October 6, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “I choose to give-a-damn.” – If there’s a better definition of morality, I’ve yet to read it.


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